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Mass resident and can't purchase the gun I want
newgunguy
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I'm a Mass resident that recently got my LTC. I want to buy a Kimber Gold Match 45 cal. but these guns are not Mass compliant due to the strict manufacturing laws. These laws were put in place in 1998 so I need to find one that was manufactured before '98 and buy it from another resident within my state. As a result, this particular gun is turning out to be very hard to find. I was told that I can't even buy a pre '98 Kimber from out of state becuase it's illegal for a broker to ship it in.
I'd like some input in 3 questions; 1) How do I go about tracking down this gun in Mass? 2) Is there any way around this? and 3) What is a comparable gun in terms of quality, accuracy and overall craftsmanship that is Mass compliant.
I'd like some input in 3 questions; 1) How do I go about tracking down this gun in Mass? 2) Is there any way around this? and 3) What is a comparable gun in terms of quality, accuracy and overall craftsmanship that is Mass compliant.
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Move out of the Kommonwealth of Taxachusetts, like ASAFP.
That's what I would do.
Death to Tyrants!!!
Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.
Luke 22:36.
Here's a quote I think you should take into consideration before adding more useless banter to these forums:
Better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Look, what do you want, someone to overturn the laws??? You're not going to find them here. States that have these kinds of laws in them are ones just waiting to turn you into a statistic, anyway. They may not say it, but this is a matter of listening to what they are NOT saying. Besides, living in a state that has lesser gun kontrol laws in it would undoubtedly do you a world of good.
Otherwise, look into who passed the laws and vote the ones you vote them out. But then, while you're doing that, wish in one hand, take a dump in the other and see which gets fuller first, smart guy.
Ta Ta
Death to Tyrants!!!
Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.
Luke 22:36.
Hang in there and keep begging your State Government for rights to own a Kimber, I mean, hey, it isn't like you're asking for a machine gun or anything like that, right. It's just a 1911 clone made by Kimber, one of those types of handguns that isn't a hi-capacity, threaded barreled types, right? You never know.
I hope you don't eedthat gun for defense or anything like that. If it is, I would suggest finding a list of Taxachusetts-compliant 1911 .45's and buy one of those instead, komrade.
Death to Tyrants!!!
Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.
Luke 22:36.
I don't know, but I have an answer to your problem.
Move out of the Kommonwealth of Taxachusetts, like ASAFP.
That's what I would do.
Exactly how far would you run, Gunphreak?
What happens when the antis get to your new state of residence? Move again? What happens when you run out of places to go?
It's easy to say to our friends in NJ, CA, MA, and other similar states that they should just get out. It's alot harder for those folks to stay and fight, and I respect the hell out of them for it.
Well, hey, if there is one thing I know about the history of gun kontrol, never before has the notion of dumbing down and propaganda worked with more success than in the Sozialist State-territories in our nation now. They should really be proud of themselves to have been used as pawns in such fashion. I certainly hope they don't make it to the gas chambers as a result.....
Rights are like muscles.. use them or lose them.
Death to Tyrants!!!
Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.
Luke 22:36.
So far would I run?? Well, assuming others who feel the same way I do populate a different state of residence means there are that many MORE people who feel as I do in different states, who are going to make a stand in less oppressed states.
Death to Tyrants!!!
Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.
Luke 22:36.
S&W recently started manufacturing their own 1911s. Gun-Tests magazine gave the smith a great write-up. I'd look into that, since S&W is a Taxachussets Company, maybe politics kept the lawmakers from making them illegal. (I would guess as much) Anyway, Smith has become a great company since it's actually owned by Americans again. They also have a new .50cal handgun that American Rifleman toted as being great, and pissed off the anti-gunners(that makes me happy). Do some research and let me know what you did. One last thing is you could try a search @ ***********.com for your kimber and limit the search to your state...
Good Luck!
Now would be the time to get your hands on something.... even if it isn't a specific type of firearm.
Death to Tyrants!!!
Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.
Luke 22:36.
By the way Gunphreak; Like Zak said, it's easy to run and try to justify it to make yourself feel better...kind of like the French in WWII and more recently in Iraq. I'm going to stay right here in MA and use my votes and voice to keep our rights in place while guys like you run your mouth and let others do the fighting. You say you're doing your part to keep our rights in place when you admit that you're in a voting district that probably doesn't need your vote all that much.
Now lets see you reply with another justification for staying out of the real fight. You're like the sports fan that always talks about how the team should be run even though you never played the game.
Now let's see you reply with yet another opinionated version of what you believe is truth, in some sort of hopes of upstaging me, so I can shoot holes in it and make your ignorance or stupidity stand out once more, and this time, WITH FEELING!!!!!
Although I may not have endless resources. I do what I can with what I do have, while others whine about it and don't use their voice or votes, like you, whiner!! Go cry on another man's shoulder. I have no use or sympathy for it and detest it. Massachusetts lack of logic is what caused that problem in the first place. Because they foolishly believed gun kontrol is what they needed, you have to purchase guns compliant with their draconian laws, which are nothing more than a gun kontrol scheme to keep as many guns out as possible. So far, that is all it has accomplished, and has done a wonderful job at that. Sonow, you find yourself surrounded by stupider people than you, and you want to live around them?!?!? That's good logic. Antigunners all over the country can laugh at you for that position.
Death to Tyrants!!!
Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.
Luke 22:36.
Next scenario. I live in a poor community. I find a good opportunity away from "Home". Do I stay as a matter of pride? Hell no!! I've already crossed this bridge. Where I live now, I have lots of promise for a good career, one that was not possible where I grew up.
OK, let us now swap off a new scenario. You live in the UK. In this country, crime is running rampant, and the reason is because it is now criminal to defend ones self or family, and the tools of such are illegal to own. There is absolutely NO HOPE of them ever getting that back, either. So, when there is a HIGH likelihood of being the victim of crime, and that is no exaggeration, either, when in London you are 6 TIMES more likely to be murdered, robbed or raped than if you were in NYC, do you stay and wait or do you move?
In nature, we have a word for those animals that wouldn't/couldn't move to a more favorable location than the one they inhabited. We call them EXTINCT!!! In Taxachusetts, they would like to incrimentally impose the same types of draconian legislature on the populace as in the UK. It is just a matter of time before it happens ,and when it does, will you and your family stay and face extinction?? Are you willing to play the odds, or cross your fingers and hope you don't become targeted?
There are some places gun kontrol will NEVER be welcomed. Fortunately, I live in one. Unfortunately, my community does not share my state's belief. This is a worth fight, however, because the majority are not falling for it, and I am proud to be among them.
Fight the soft war, never face the hard war. The 2nd Amendment will assure another revolution one day. The question is... when??
Death to Tyrants!!!
Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.
Luke 22:36.
As for Mass compliant handguns, check out the Mass Attorney General's Roster List. Its available online and has the latest guns that have been submitted by their manufacturers for "safety testing".
If you check on the web there are some good gun shops in Mass that are doing everything they can to satisfy the demand for pre 10/21/1998 handguns that are already in the Commonwealth.
By the way, as soon as I retire, its Montana for me.
Henry J. Sousa, Jr.
Let's face it; Mass. Residence an't what they used to be. I am seriously doubtful of any State which keeps returning a Kennedy to Office. But then again: My home State has Paul Patton? Go figure? One thing you can rely on here in Kentucky, Mr. Pattons Politicial career will soon be Null & Void. We try hard not to make the same mistake twice.
If you are looking for advice Mr. New Gun Guy? There was a much wiser man than I, which stated: "You can't do much about the Buzzards flying over your head, But you can damn well do something about letting them make a nest in your hair".
I can tell you this: "It's good that you love your State, it's even better if you do something about it". Infighting will not satisfy anything, but the Government of which you disapprove.
There are times for Men Of Words, as if words have creedence these days? There are times for Men of Action, and that time is fast approaching.
"Democracy is not self sustaining"
Ronnie G. Perkins
AH
As a Russian guy once said to me "we are a nation of slaves"!
Ronnie G. Perkins
ANDREW T. HARRISON, Esquire
Andrew
andrew?[}:)]
Andrew: I fail to see where I "Hint" at anything? (Why do you "HINT" Andrew?) I admit to not being the bright Bulb of the pack, but; something makes me think that you have a different agenda, something sinister perhaps. Andrew: If you came to this Form to banty words, I trust You will not be welcomed. If you came to this Forum because of idle time and mild curosity, (be quiet and observe). If you came to this Forum to find Brothers In Arms,= Welcome My Friend! If the only observation you have made centers on "Delta", = you will get no pasification here. If I thought you were a truly concerned American Citizen = I would gladly share my History (which you seem preoccupied with). I have been accepted at this Forum Andrew, 1, because I am concerned, 2 because I have cut no corners, I am straight forward, I have no fear of retribution, 3 because I am reasonably intelligent, and some find my statements true and well considered.
As for this Forum Andrew ~ Sir: You have yet to earn your stripes. If you merely love the Game, I would think AOL is as good a home as you may require. If you are ATF and feel that somehow you are being discredited ~ Sir: (a term I would use very loosely), You will find no justificcation for you actions here, for we consider the ATF as "Gestapo Trash"; Enforcers with no concern for the Constitution or the Average American. AKA: Liars, Thieves, Rouges, and Un-American Rabble, not deservent of the praise or respect which they somehow think they deserve. [^]
Your turn Andrew; State your case. And by the by: DELTA is a Greek letter, should I assume the Greeks thought they were Delta Force, or just wanted people to think so?[;)]
Ronnie G. Perkins
First, before pointing out that you have again conveniently avoided answering my initial question regarding your username (and the embarrassing truth to which I referred in my initial post), let me congratulate you on your ascent into gun-rights activist notoriety here on this board. It is quite an accomplishment and I can tell how justifiably proud you are of achieving such recognition. Second, the government conspiracy theories are less than compelling. While I'm sure these types of paranoid delusions do provide you with hours of entertainment and contemplation, the majority find them laughable. BATF agents do not spend their time legitimizing paranoia such as yours on boards such as this to individuals such as yourself. Bottom line-doesn't happen (even though I'm confident you would be elated if they did because this in some dysfunctional way would justify the delusions and conspiracy theories to which represent the driving force of your cause.) Third, when the ancient Greek civilizations developed their alphabet including the character for which we call "Delta", Delta Force had not yet materialized, so the analogy of "Delta=Greek conotation" doesn't wash here. Finally, for the third time (as I am truly interested) why do you call yourself Delta and what are your extensive qualifications to which you again refer that are intrinsically tied to this login? Patiently waiting (again). Regards.
Andrew
Now! I suppose we can get back too the point at hand?
Never had I experenced and could not picture; getting seven Young Men between the age of 28 - 32, all ARYAN, all Gung Ho, and all would fabricate and support each others lies. Yet none of the ten or twelve struck me as being ex-military, (perhaps the odds are not good enough?), for the ATF prefer 10 to 1, if possible. Even tho; they are the ones with the Mandate to Persecute, to use what ever means necessary to dis-arm those same Citizens that are paying them. I have no doubt; they see themselves as Young Heros (otherwise, how could they confront "The Man in the Mirror", and not see the Anti-American Traitor starring back? Eichman had little problem finding Guards for Dachau.
I Have 5 sons; the greatist fear a man could have would be the Death of a son. But this I swear: I would prefer either son dead than become a traitor to "The Constitution of These United States". If anyone can render a better overall discription of the ATF, I would consider using it, but until that time, "TRASH" will be near enough for discriptive purposes.
Ronnie G. Perkins
Yet! I find most modern americans do not have the strengh of their convictions, seems most Americans have become addicted to the "Good Life", never considering how the "Good Life" came about.
Yes! It takes a certain Mentallity to become an ATF Agent, (I seriously doubt; they were born that way). I wonder what oath they take? Do they Pray to Feinstein and assume they will go to Kalifornistan when they die?
Never would I have believed; a Majority of American Citizens would have substidized the likes of William Jefferson Clinton? AKA= Slick Willie, Good ol Bill, Willie the Liar, Whoremonger of Washington (and Arkansas). Yet, Good Ol Bill was refuted to be Intelligent? How Intelligent can it be, when a man stands before the world and points his finger and states: "Listen closely, I'm only going to say this once". Maybe "WEBSTER" has been revised since "The Clinton Era"? Afterall - The "Intelligent" man said, "Oral Sex, isn't Sex"! Perhaps he is from a different Planet? I didn't just ride into town on a Watermelon Truck. But alas; Good Ol Bill is to be credited for unleashing these Hell Hounds, and for what? (To pascify the Materialistic Bas-ards we refer to as Liberals). Now there are 2 sets of rules - 1 for them and 1 for us, never the twain shall meet.
The ATF Motto: "We have the Guns - You have the Problem".
Please excuse me for my long oratory: I merely wanted the ATF (which melinger here) to understand my full and unadulterated opinion of their Unit as a Whole. AND! If I am not clear or direct enough, please advise, for I can elaborate, if statement is not perfectly clear?[^]
Ronnie G. Perkins
Andrew
"COMPLAISANT" Or "APATHETIC", are not Words which sustain or Perpetuate Demoracy. But these words are applicable to the NEW WORLD ORDER
I suppose everything will be uniform In the NEW WORLD ORDER, we will all eat the same, wear the same, live in the same type cubical? (The PATRON LORDS, will require and obviously deserve, only the BEST, where we require 80,000 credits or less, they will require 1,000,000 or more (there need not be a ceiling on their requirements). CAUTION!China (most Favored Nation) already has a Jump on us.
We will not have to worry about The rendering of The American Flag being an Expression of Speech. We will not have to worry about our Job closing and moving to Mexico, we will not have to worry about Taliban, we will not have to Ponder over whom to vote for, we will not have to worry about endless prosecutions before an Arbitrary Tribunal, we will not have to worry about Second Hand Smoke, we will not have to worry about Concealed Carry, we will not have to worry about Birth Control, we will not have to worry if Politicans are stealing our Social Security, we will not have to attend an Un-necessary War, we will not have to worry ~I have not been Brainwashed, WE WILL NOT HAVE TO WORRY, WE WILL NOT HAVE TO WORRY, I HAVE NOT BEEN BRAINWASHED, WORRY NOT, WORRY NOT BRAIN
We WILL [V]
Ronnie G. Perkins
This will be miserable. But most of the readers here seem to doubt it, foolishly believing "this is America, stuff like that doesn't happen here". If there are any here who find me to be wrong, I invite you to read "The Communist Manifesto" and find out just how far we've already come along, and then tell me I don't know what I'm talking about.
I'm here to pop the bubble!!!!
Death to Tyrants!!!
Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.
Luke 22:36.
<pop> goes the bubble!!!!
Death to Tyrants!!!
Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.
Luke 22:36.
When the Government (including Local), Refuses to Listen, Continues passing Arbitrary Laws, Creates a "Police State", Makes "Self Protection Illegal", Increases "Law Enforcement" then outfits and trains them in Military Fashion, Eliminates all Weapons, Categorizes all Citizens, Has Privy to all Information (Public or Private), Holds Sway over the News Media, and Instills Fear into the Citizenry. I can't help but be a little Concerned, I guess Philosophy & History is not being taught anymore?
"Those which haven't learned from the Past, will be forced to relive it" [V] or [xx(]because Most People seem to be [|)]
Ronnie G. Perkins
1. Sozialist Republik of Kalifornistan
2. Kommonwealth of Taxachusetts
3. Marxland
4. New Jerky
5. People's Republik of Illinois
6. "New" York
All of these places are write offs, as far as I'm concerned. More than half my arsenal is illegal in these terrirtories (no longer states, these territories operate under a government that is outside the federal government and pay tribute to them in the form of taxes, but are, in all other ways, different territories).
Death to Tyrants!!!
Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.
Luke 22:36.
Sigh.....
When guns were invented everything changed. For the first time in the history of the world a frail woman had a chance to sucessfully defend herself and home. My dream is that one of the anti-gun nuts will need a gun for defense and be unable to have one because of their own actions.
I have to say that some of these pointless rants and thinly veiled excuses for lack of action are almost laughable. I'm a little disappointed to see posters that are calling states "write-offs" and actually believing it when these states are obviously in need of support. Putting your head in the sand is not what people who changed the world would do in the face of what seemed to be a no-win situation. "Ok men, let's call off the invasion of Normandy, those Germans look pretty dug in and we'll never make it!" This is the equivilent of what you're saying! And you claim to be soldiers! Ha! I laugh out loud. If I was surrounded by soldiers like that when I served, I may not have made it!
I'm proud to be from Massachusetts. My roots are here and just because the political leaders of today are harsh on gun ownership, it doesn't mean they can't be replaced. You will see them go long before you see me give in! I argue that most nay sayers couldn't correctly state the position of my leaders on more than 1 or 2 major topics! Of course, you'll run through the web now to find a few facts but, your ignorance is already apparent. There are numerous reasons that Teddy is still around, some of them are even legitimate.
Here in Mass, we have some of the finest schools (kindergarten through post graduate), some of the most sucessful businesses, some of the most important history in the country, some of the most generous charities and countless other things that I like to be surrounded by. Thanks for the advice to run but, I will stay here and voice my opinion and vote my votes and influence my community.
Don't be confused (especially you gunphreak). Just because I'm new to gun ownership doesn't mean I'm new to history, politics or what it takes to create success when it seems impossible. The views I'm seeing here in this forum are that of a couple of narrow minded, weak minded individuals that tend to replace fact with profanity.
The attempts to aim insult and slander at a true Patriot that has served HIS country, served his community and obeys it's laws while enjoying his surroundings is completely outrageous. You can sit there an write unread letters to every level of leadership all the way to the White House while I go talk to my community and be heard. I will make a difference while you continue to make excuses. Will change come easy? Of course not! But it will come, and accepting defeat is not something I expected to find in this forum.
There may be some that have been assimilated to the current state of affairs here (as there are in every community), but there are many here in Massachusetts that will do what it takes to make this state an even more comfortable place to live. I'm happy to have the gunphreaks of the world hiding in their basement thinking they're making an difference anywhere. Your dues to the big 4 are appreciated but your banter and talk about action is becoming less than boring.
No background check, no stupid trigger loc, no tax, yes freakin way.
Quit whining. Move or take your current political clowns out of office- it's that simple.
Let's change the laws and quit bickering about them. One man CAN change the status quo.
A very simplified argument could be that the US was born with a group of citizens fighting for their rights. That has been true of this country from it's birth and it will continue. Unless we all take on the attitude I have seen displayed in this forum. Just because there are 50 states we shouldn't write off a handful of them and accept the loss. With that attitude, before you know it, 10 states will be considered write-offs, then 20...
On your point about the Mass expansion, I feel your pain but, that's the nature of capitalism and we're right in the heart of it. There are countless well educated and funded groups centered in the Boston area that continue to grow. Without centers of commerce like Boston, this country certainly wouldn't be what it is. If we take a hard look at the third world countries (and the living conditions in most of world) we can be thankful that our society operates as it does. It is certainly sad to see people pushed out of their neighborhoods to make room for those that are more plugged in to the financial grinders that sustain the country. However, without growth you get decline and to me that's not an attractive alternative. You can look at it from either side of the fence but it is what it is and the big picture works...the opportunity is there to immerse yourself in your surroundings, to evolve with them, or to move on if you're not happy. As you know, someone will take your spot rather quickly if you choose to move on.
I strongly feel that there's plenty to take advantage here that others will never know. The best medical care in the WORLD...increasing and stable property values...a few hundred of the best colleges in the country...a quick drive down to Concord Mass to visit the Old North Bridge (the sight of the shot heard round the world). There are endless reasons to stay and get involved in this state's evolution. If there are some that want to run, so be it...I'm staying.