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Mass resident and can't purchase the gun I want

newgunguynewgunguy Member Posts: 16 ✭✭
I'm a Mass resident that recently got my LTC. I want to buy a Kimber Gold Match 45 cal. but these guns are not Mass compliant due to the strict manufacturing laws. These laws were put in place in 1998 so I need to find one that was manufactured before '98 and buy it from another resident within my state. As a result, this particular gun is turning out to be very hard to find. I was told that I can't even buy a pre '98 Kimber from out of state becuase it's illegal for a broker to ship it in.

I'd like some input in 3 questions; 1) How do I go about tracking down this gun in Mass? 2) Is there any way around this? and 3) What is a comparable gun in terms of quality, accuracy and overall craftsmanship that is Mass compliant.
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  • gunphreakgunphreak Member Posts: 1,791 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I don't know, but I have an answer to your problem.

    Move out of the Kommonwealth of Taxachusetts, like ASAFP.

    That's what I would do.

    Death to Tyrants!!!

    Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.

    Luke 22:36.
  • newgunguynewgunguy Member Posts: 16 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thanks for that well thought out and insightful suggestion gunphreak. It falls right in line with the rest of the wasted posting space you've claimed on this sight.

    Here's a quote I think you should take into consideration before adding more useless banter to these forums:

    Better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
  • gunphreakgunphreak Member Posts: 1,791 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Or stay and become a victim, it makes little difference to me.

    Look, what do you want, someone to overturn the laws??? You're not going to find them here. States that have these kinds of laws in them are ones just waiting to turn you into a statistic, anyway. They may not say it, but this is a matter of listening to what they are NOT saying. Besides, living in a state that has lesser gun kontrol laws in it would undoubtedly do you a world of good.

    Otherwise, look into who passed the laws and vote the ones you vote them out. But then, while you're doing that, wish in one hand, take a dump in the other and see which gets fuller first, smart guy.

    Ta Ta

    Death to Tyrants!!!

    Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.

    Luke 22:36.
  • gunphreakgunphreak Member Posts: 1,791 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    ere's a thought for you, new gun guy, from someone who is an older and more experienced gun guy:

    Hang in there and keep begging your State Government for rights to own a Kimber, I mean, hey, it isn't like you're asking for a machine gun or anything like that, right. It's just a 1911 clone made by Kimber, one of those types of handguns that isn't a hi-capacity, threaded barreled types, right? You never know.

    I hope you don't eedthat gun for defense or anything like that. If it is, I would suggest finding a list of Taxachusetts-compliant 1911 .45's and buy one of those instead, komrade.

    Death to Tyrants!!!

    Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.

    Luke 22:36.
  • ZakZak Member Posts: 11 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by gunphreak
    I don't know, but I have an answer to your problem.

    Move out of the Kommonwealth of Taxachusetts, like ASAFP.

    That's what I would do.

    Exactly how far would you run, Gunphreak?

    What happens when the antis get to your new state of residence? Move again? What happens when you run out of places to go?

    It's easy to say to our friends in NJ, CA, MA, and other similar states that they should just get out. It's alot harder for those folks to stay and fight, and I respect the hell out of them for it.
  • gunphreakgunphreak Member Posts: 1,791 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    There are some states that will NEVER adopt the kind of gun kontrol you see in those states. Those states have been plagued with the same crap for a long long period of time, and this is not a recent occurence here.

    Well, hey, if there is one thing I know about the history of gun kontrol, never before has the notion of dumbing down and propaganda worked with more success than in the Sozialist State-territories in our nation now. They should really be proud of themselves to have been used as pawns in such fashion. I certainly hope they don't make it to the gas chambers as a result.....

    Rights are like muscles.. use them or lose them.

    Death to Tyrants!!!

    Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.

    Luke 22:36.
  • KhegglieKhegglie Member Posts: 330 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Massachusetts....... corrupt,socialist, controlling you for your own good because you are stupid(in their opinion)! And they might be right Kennedy is a shoe in year after year after year. Thats why I bailed outwith my (now illegal) guns[:(!]! The north east is bad....MA s**ks.
  • gunphreakgunphreak Member Posts: 1,791 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    That's one!!!![:D]

    So far would I run?? Well, assuming others who feel the same way I do populate a different state of residence means there are that many MORE people who feel as I do in different states, who are going to make a stand in less oppressed states.

    Death to Tyrants!!!

    Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.

    Luke 22:36.
  • MusenicMusenic Member Posts: 8 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hi, Listen,
    S&W recently started manufacturing their own 1911s. Gun-Tests magazine gave the smith a great write-up. I'd look into that, since S&W is a Taxachussets Company, maybe politics kept the lawmakers from making them illegal. (I would guess as much) Anyway, Smith has become a great company since it's actually owned by Americans again. They also have a new .50cal handgun that American Rifleman toted as being great, and pissed off the anti-gunners(that makes me happy). Do some research and let me know what you did. One last thing is you could try a search @ ***********.com for your kimber and limit the search to your state...

    Good Luck!
  • gunphreakgunphreak Member Posts: 1,791 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I don't think the politicians care whether or not the company is in Taxachusetts, when as far as they are concerned, they would rather you had none at all. They are not interested in disallowing a certain gun, this legislative piece of trash goes across the board for the most part, on all handguns (possibly rifles and shotguns, too.)

    Now would be the time to get your hands on something.... even if it isn't a specific type of firearm.

    Death to Tyrants!!!

    Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.

    Luke 22:36.
  • newgunguynewgunguy Member Posts: 16 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thanks Musenic. The S&W 1911 will do the trick and is MA compliant. I'm now on a waiting list to get one because they're highly sought after here and it'll be a few months before supply completely catches up with demand.

    By the way Gunphreak; Like Zak said, it's easy to run and try to justify it to make yourself feel better...kind of like the French in WWII and more recently in Iraq. I'm going to stay right here in MA and use my votes and voice to keep our rights in place while guys like you run your mouth and let others do the fighting. You say you're doing your part to keep our rights in place when you admit that you're in a voting district that probably doesn't need your vote all that much.

    Now lets see you reply with another justification for staying out of the real fight. You're like the sports fan that always talks about how the team should be run even though you never played the game.
  • gunphreakgunphreak Member Posts: 1,791 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Funny you should say that, newgunguy. I was brought up around guns, have spent most of my life devoted to American values (not the ones taught in government-controlled indoctrination schools, either), and have enlisted in the big four with my contributions and thoughts (the big 4 for all you "new guys" by the way is the NRA, the GOA, the SAF, and the JPFO.) I keep the pressure on everyone, all the way up to the State governor (who does NOT share my sentiments about many freedom issues, and is one of the reasons Ohio is not a concealed carry state, and is the highest taxed state in the union, I might add) to which I publicly slammed in my local and many surrounding newspapers, to the President of the US, and other congressmen. So don't tell me I'm not in the game, you imbecile!!!Perhaps you need to read up on the subject a little more before you type and make yourself look like a moron.

    Now let's see you reply with yet another opinionated version of what you believe is truth, in some sort of hopes of upstaging me, so I can shoot holes in it and make your ignorance or stupidity stand out once more, and this time, WITH FEELING!!!!!

    Although I may not have endless resources. I do what I can with what I do have, while others whine about it and don't use their voice or votes, like you, whiner!! Go cry on another man's shoulder. I have no use or sympathy for it and detest it. Massachusetts lack of logic is what caused that problem in the first place. Because they foolishly believed gun kontrol is what they needed, you have to purchase guns compliant with their draconian laws, which are nothing more than a gun kontrol scheme to keep as many guns out as possible. So far, that is all it has accomplished, and has done a wonderful job at that. Sonow, you find yourself surrounded by stupider people than you, and you want to live around them?!?!? That's good logic. Antigunners all over the country can laugh at you for that position.
    Death to Tyrants!!!

    Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.

    Luke 22:36.
  • gunphreakgunphreak Member Posts: 1,791 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    And to you, Zak. How far would I run, you ask? If one lived in a wasteland, how long would that person live if he stubbornly would not leave it because he called it home? Well, without food or water, and no hope for getting any, not very long. He would die because of his inability to relocate himself and his family. Best to go to a place where it is abundant in food and water, right??

    Next scenario. I live in a poor community. I find a good opportunity away from "Home". Do I stay as a matter of pride? Hell no!! I've already crossed this bridge. Where I live now, I have lots of promise for a good career, one that was not possible where I grew up.

    OK, let us now swap off a new scenario. You live in the UK. In this country, crime is running rampant, and the reason is because it is now criminal to defend ones self or family, and the tools of such are illegal to own. There is absolutely NO HOPE of them ever getting that back, either. So, when there is a HIGH likelihood of being the victim of crime, and that is no exaggeration, either, when in London you are 6 TIMES more likely to be murdered, robbed or raped than if you were in NYC, do you stay and wait or do you move?

    In nature, we have a word for those animals that wouldn't/couldn't move to a more favorable location than the one they inhabited. We call them EXTINCT!!! In Taxachusetts, they would like to incrimentally impose the same types of draconian legislature on the populace as in the UK. It is just a matter of time before it happens ,and when it does, will you and your family stay and face extinction?? Are you willing to play the odds, or cross your fingers and hope you don't become targeted?

    There are some places gun kontrol will NEVER be welcomed. Fortunately, I live in one. Unfortunately, my community does not share my state's belief. This is a worth fight, however, because the majority are not falling for it, and I am proud to be among them.

    Fight the soft war, never face the hard war. The 2nd Amendment will assure another revolution one day. The question is... when??

    Death to Tyrants!!!

    Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.

    Luke 22:36.
  • wnec81wnec81 Member Posts: 1 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hey there newgunguy, I'm a resident of the State of Mass Confusion too. Listen to me very carefully, VOTE for a new Attorney General that isn't a stinking liberal anti gun fanatic !!!

    As for Mass compliant handguns, check out the Mass Attorney General's Roster List. Its available online and has the latest guns that have been submitted by their manufacturers for "safety testing".

    If you check on the web there are some good gun shops in Mass that are doing everything they can to satisfy the demand for pre 10/21/1998 handguns that are already in the Commonwealth.

    By the way, as soon as I retire, its Montana for me.

    Henry J. Sousa, Jr.
  • Delta514Delta514 Member Posts: 440 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    NewGunGuy: Have you considered throwing Barney Franks and Teddy Kennedy into the Boston Harbor?

    Let's face it; Mass. Residence an't what they used to be. I am seriously doubtful of any State which keeps returning a Kennedy to Office. But then again: My home State has Paul Patton? Go figure? One thing you can rely on here in Kentucky, Mr. Pattons Politicial career will soon be Null & Void. We try hard not to make the same mistake twice.

    If you are looking for advice Mr. New Gun Guy? There was a much wiser man than I, which stated: "You can't do much about the Buzzards flying over your head, But you can damn well do something about letting them make a nest in your hair".

    I can tell you this: "It's good that you love your State, it's even better if you do something about it". Infighting will not satisfy anything, but the Government of which you disapprove.

    There are times for Men Of Words, as if words have creedence these days? There are times for Men of Action, and that time is fast approaching.

    "Democracy is not self sustaining"

    Ronnie G. Perkins
  • andrew5810andrew5810 Member Posts: 7 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hey Delta 514 new to the forum and enjoyed your response to Mass. resident. Just one question though: What is the significance of your username? Are you one of these guys who claims a SF background or just hints at it with a profile that begs the question "Delta-wow he must be/have been with Delta Force!" As I said I am new to this forum and if this is indeed a haven for cyber SEALs and other wannabees hiding behind a computer monitor I won't be hanging around long. No offense by the way-just a question/observation. Regards

    AH
  • KhegglieKhegglie Member Posts: 330 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Did you guys know that the voters recently VOTED DOWN a tax repeal in MA?
    As a Russian guy once said to me "we are a nation of slaves"!
  • Delta514Delta514 Member Posts: 440 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Andrew: This you first time out? Getting your feet wet so to speak? I'll tell what, My Friend; Since I have been here for awhile and I use my complete Name. Why do we not first, scrutinize U? [:D]

    Ronnie G. Perkins
  • andrew5810andrew5810 Member Posts: 7 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Ouch sounds like I hit a nerve Ronnie G. Scrutinize away as you won't find much to criticize with my user profile. It was just an observation I wouldn't want to bring out the "Delta" in you-take it easy. See you around.

    ANDREW T. HARRISON, Esquire
  • andrew5810andrew5810 Member Posts: 7 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    By the way Ronnie, never did answer my question regarding the significance of the "Delta" portion or your username. Care to comment? Must mean something personal-you picked it? The men who have honestly and legitimately earned that title never discuss it. "andrew5810" just FYI stands for my first name plus my AOL address. Regards.

    Andrew
  • KhegglieKhegglie Member Posts: 330 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    We are a little off topic arent we
    andrew?[}:)]
  • Delta514Delta514 Member Posts: 440 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Gentlemen of the Forum: We have experenced Heir Darrell, now we must contend with ANDREW ~ Alias AH, Thanks Andrew, for clarifying, I assumed your AH was a conitation of "Apache Helicopter". (go figure)

    Andrew: I fail to see where I "Hint" at anything? (Why do you "HINT" Andrew?) I admit to not being the bright Bulb of the pack, but; something makes me think that you have a different agenda, something sinister perhaps. Andrew: If you came to this Form to banty words, I trust You will not be welcomed. If you came to this Forum because of idle time and mild curosity, (be quiet and observe). If you came to this Forum to find Brothers In Arms,= Welcome My Friend! If the only observation you have made centers on "Delta", = you will get no pasification here. If I thought you were a truly concerned American Citizen = I would gladly share my History (which you seem preoccupied with). I have been accepted at this Forum Andrew, 1, because I am concerned, 2 because I have cut no corners, I am straight forward, I have no fear of retribution, 3 because I am reasonably intelligent, and some find my statements true and well considered.

    As for this Forum Andrew ~ Sir: You have yet to earn your stripes. If you merely love the Game, I would think AOL is as good a home as you may require. If you are ATF and feel that somehow you are being discredited ~ Sir: (a term I would use very loosely), You will find no justificcation for you actions here, for we consider the ATF as "Gestapo Trash"; Enforcers with no concern for the Constitution or the Average American. AKA: Liars, Thieves, Rouges, and Un-American Rabble, not deservent of the praise or respect which they somehow think they deserve. [^]

    Your turn Andrew; State your case. And by the by: DELTA is a Greek letter, should I assume the Greeks thought they were Delta Force, or just wanted people to think so?[;)]

    Ronnie G. Perkins
  • andrew5810andrew5810 Member Posts: 7 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Ronnie:
    First, before pointing out that you have again conveniently avoided answering my initial question regarding your username (and the embarrassing truth to which I referred in my initial post), let me congratulate you on your ascent into gun-rights activist notoriety here on this board. It is quite an accomplishment and I can tell how justifiably proud you are of achieving such recognition. Second, the government conspiracy theories are less than compelling. While I'm sure these types of paranoid delusions do provide you with hours of entertainment and contemplation, the majority find them laughable. BATF agents do not spend their time legitimizing paranoia such as yours on boards such as this to individuals such as yourself. Bottom line-doesn't happen (even though I'm confident you would be elated if they did because this in some dysfunctional way would justify the delusions and conspiracy theories to which represent the driving force of your cause.) Third, when the ancient Greek civilizations developed their alphabet including the character for which we call "Delta", Delta Force had not yet materialized, so the analogy of "Delta=Greek conotation" doesn't wash here. Finally, for the third time (as I am truly interested) why do you call yourself Delta and what are your extensive qualifications to which you again refer that are intrinsically tied to this login? Patiently waiting (again). Regards.

    Andrew
  • Delta514Delta514 Member Posts: 440 ✭✭✭
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    [8D]Thank you ANDREW; For the conformation.

    Now! I suppose we can get back too the point at hand?

    Never had I experenced and could not picture; getting seven Young Men between the age of 28 - 32, all ARYAN, all Gung Ho, and all would fabricate and support each others lies. Yet none of the ten or twelve struck me as being ex-military, (perhaps the odds are not good enough?), for the ATF prefer 10 to 1, if possible. Even tho; they are the ones with the Mandate to Persecute, to use what ever means necessary to dis-arm those same Citizens that are paying them. I have no doubt; they see themselves as Young Heros (otherwise, how could they confront "The Man in the Mirror", and not see the Anti-American Traitor starring back? Eichman had little problem finding Guards for Dachau.

    I Have 5 sons; the greatist fear a man could have would be the Death of a son. But this I swear: I would prefer either son dead than become a traitor to "The Constitution of These United States". If anyone can render a better overall discription of the ATF, I would consider using it, but until that time, "TRASH" will be near enough for discriptive purposes.

    Ronnie G. Perkins
  • Delta514Delta514 Member Posts: 440 ✭✭✭
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    [B)] "I AM AN AMERICAN FIGHTING MAN, I SERVE IN THE FORCES WHICH GUARD MY COUNTRY AND OUR WAY OF LIFE, I AM PREPARED TO GIVE MY LIFE IN ITS DEFENSE". An Highminded and Honorable oath. (if you mean it).

    Yet! I find most modern americans do not have the strengh of their convictions, seems most Americans have become addicted to the "Good Life", never considering how the "Good Life" came about.

    Yes! It takes a certain Mentallity to become an ATF Agent, (I seriously doubt; they were born that way). I wonder what oath they take? Do they Pray to Feinstein and assume they will go to Kalifornistan when they die?

    Never would I have believed; a Majority of American Citizens would have substidized the likes of William Jefferson Clinton? AKA= Slick Willie, Good ol Bill, Willie the Liar, Whoremonger of Washington (and Arkansas). Yet, Good Ol Bill was refuted to be Intelligent? How Intelligent can it be, when a man stands before the world and points his finger and states: "Listen closely, I'm only going to say this once". Maybe "WEBSTER" has been revised since "The Clinton Era"? Afterall - The "Intelligent" man said, "Oral Sex, isn't Sex"! Perhaps he is from a different Planet? I didn't just ride into town on a Watermelon Truck. But alas; Good Ol Bill is to be credited for unleashing these Hell Hounds, and for what? (To pascify the Materialistic Bas-ards we refer to as Liberals). Now there are 2 sets of rules - 1 for them and 1 for us, never the twain shall meet.
    The ATF Motto: "We have the Guns - You have the Problem".

    Please excuse me for my long oratory: I merely wanted the ATF (which melinger here) to understand my full and unadulterated opinion of their Unit as a Whole. AND! If I am not clear or direct enough, please advise, for I can elaborate, if statement is not perfectly clear?[^]

    Ronnie G. Perkins
  • andrew5810andrew5810 Member Posts: 7 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Your welcome and don't sweat it Ronne- They'll get your medication regulated properly just hang in there. Regards

    Andrew
  • Delta514Delta514 Member Posts: 440 ✭✭✭
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    The ATF I have encountered are proably (?) not the same ones from Waco or Ruby Ridge ~But they do have the same MINDSET. [}:)]

    "COMPLAISANT" Or "APATHETIC", are not Words which sustain or Perpetuate Demoracy. But these words are applicable to the NEW WORLD ORDER

    I suppose everything will be uniform In the NEW WORLD ORDER, we will all eat the same, wear the same, live in the same type cubical? (The PATRON LORDS, will require and obviously deserve, only the BEST, where we require 80,000 credits or less, they will require 1,000,000 or more (there need not be a ceiling on their requirements). CAUTION!China (most Favored Nation) already has a Jump on us.

    We will not have to worry about The rendering of The American Flag being an Expression of Speech. We will not have to worry about our Job closing and moving to Mexico, we will not have to worry about Taliban, we will not have to Ponder over whom to vote for, we will not have to worry about endless prosecutions before an Arbitrary Tribunal, we will not have to worry about Second Hand Smoke, we will not have to worry about Concealed Carry, we will not have to worry about Birth Control, we will not have to worry if Politicans are stealing our Social Security, we will not have to attend an Un-necessary War, we will not have to worry ~I have not been Brainwashed, WE WILL NOT HAVE TO WORRY, WE WILL NOT HAVE TO WORRY, I HAVE NOT BEEN BRAINWASHED, WORRY NOT, WORRY NOT BRAIN
    We WILL [V]

    Ronnie G. Perkins
  • gunphreakgunphreak Member Posts: 1,791 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Just to give you all an extension off what Ronnie is saying, we are under the constant threat of communism. In this system, each of us will have a responsibility to "do our part" and get from the feds "what we need". We will have no ownership rights to anything, not even our own children. We will not have income, we will have allotments. We will not have police, we will have agents (armed with machine guns to "keep the peace").

    This will be miserable. But most of the readers here seem to doubt it, foolishly believing "this is America, stuff like that doesn't happen here". If there are any here who find me to be wrong, I invite you to read "The Communist Manifesto" and find out just how far we've already come along, and then tell me I don't know what I'm talking about.

    I'm here to pop the bubble!!!!

    Death to Tyrants!!!

    Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.

    Luke 22:36.
  • longhunterlonghunter Member Posts: 3,242
    edited November -1
    Andrew....Ya get the feelin maybe you are not wanted?[}:)]And hey folks don't go bashin the entire Northeast.Maine is a state I really do not think they would like to try and take firearms from...although I must admit the southern part is getting there[V].As far as living in a State like Mass. or staying to fight,gee I am sure glad our founders didn't think that way,Isn't that WHY they left Jolly old England? Mass. is one of those that we all veiw as a loss...and I am from the Northeast...Write it off..GET OUT WHILE YOU CAN!!You got to pick your battles....its easier to plan and such where you at least feel free to do so.Andrew I am New here as well and am sure everyone doesn't share my veiws on lots of things..So what? I have learned much from these folks and if you think Delta is paraniod you sure don't know a lot of the GENERAL feeling amounst the bulk of us here.Well pardon me folks,the wife says its time to THROW OUT THE TRASH>.....
  • gunphreakgunphreak Member Posts: 1,791 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    And there you have it. More and more people are becoming malcontents all the time. Why? Because they have read the writing on the wall. The rest must be illiterate, or claim it is vanndalism.

    <pop> goes the bubble!!!!

    Death to Tyrants!!!

    Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.

    Luke 22:36.
  • longhunterlonghunter Member Posts: 3,242
    edited November -1
    Naaa,They are just sheep....Baaa,Baaaaaa!After thinking on this post awhile I just had to add to it.Does anyone REALLY think ANYTHING in Mass. Is ACTUAALY going to change? No one that I know does...That aside if you stand by and cstay there ,live by their dumb -ss rules,aren't YOU becoming part of the problem by condonning what they have done to your rights as a whole? Geez lets just think if All the gun owners,free thinkers,whata be gun owners,associated businesses LEFT jolly ole MASS. I would have to think that it would hurt em where it counts.Course I do realize it ain't gonna happen but does make a nice picture.God forbid any of the sheep would leave their cushy overpaying job and have to go earn a livib=ng like the most of working class America,then they couldn't have that fancy-ss SUV and all that other materialistic horse manure.They OWN you! Don't YOU get it???They OWN you.You just THINK we abolished slavery...They OWN you. Baaaaaaa!
  • Delta514Delta514 Member Posts: 440 ✭✭✭
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    Yesss Er: LONGHUNTER, "If They An't Part of The Cure, They's Part of The Problem"

    When the Government (including Local), Refuses to Listen, Continues passing Arbitrary Laws, Creates a "Police State", Makes "Self Protection Illegal", Increases "Law Enforcement" then outfits and trains them in Military Fashion, Eliminates all Weapons, Categorizes all Citizens, Has Privy to all Information (Public or Private), Holds Sway over the News Media, and Instills Fear into the Citizenry. I can't help but be a little Concerned, I guess Philosophy & History is not being taught anymore?

    "Those which haven't learned from the Past, will be forced to relive it" [V] or [xx(]because Most People seem to be [|)]

    Ronnie G. Perkins
  • longhunterlonghunter Member Posts: 3,242
    edited November -1
    where did Andrew go???musta got out a the kitchen?Good...Lots of us concerned here.....where is the most free state? Hmm sounds like a new topic....
  • gunphreakgunphreak Member Posts: 1,791 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    There are presently 6 states I will UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES call home:

    1. Sozialist Republik of Kalifornistan
    2. Kommonwealth of Taxachusetts
    3. Marxland
    4. New Jerky
    5. People's Republik of Illinois
    6. "New" York

    All of these places are write offs, as far as I'm concerned. More than half my arsenal is illegal in these terrirtories (no longer states, these territories operate under a government that is outside the federal government and pay tribute to them in the form of taxes, but are, in all other ways, different territories).

    Death to Tyrants!!!

    Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.

    Luke 22:36.
  • longhunterlonghunter Member Posts: 3,242
    edited November -1
    Ah yes....The struggle between Liberty and Authority is the most conspicuos feature in the portions of history with which we are earliest familier,particularly in that of Greece,Rome,and England.
    Sigh.....
  • tr foxtr fox Member Posts: 13,856
    edited November -1
    I don't know if it makes any difference, but I consider everyone who actually spends time on the guns rights forum to be a fellow soldier willing to spend time, money and effort to fight for one of the important civil rights: the right of self-defense and to own tools (guns etc) to effect that right of self defense. So as far as I am concerned (and I hope I don't get careless and come out as a liar sometimes) any of those types of people will get a lot of tolerance from me. I don't care if your posts are mispelled, bad grammer or even somewhat extreme or even wrong in you attitude. You are still a fellow soldier in the same fox hole I am in and we are fighting the same enemy while most of the others ignore the battle. Or are even too blind to see what is happening.

    When guns were invented everything changed. For the first time in the history of the world a frail woman had a chance to sucessfully defend herself and home. My dream is that one of the anti-gun nuts will need a gun for defense and be unable to have one because of their own actions.
  • newgunguynewgunguy Member Posts: 16 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Well, I'm now officially a gun owner in Massachusetts and I'm just cathing up to the forum since my last post. Looks like we got a little off topic here and there but thanks for the information from those who cared to comment on my situation.

    I have to say that some of these pointless rants and thinly veiled excuses for lack of action are almost laughable. I'm a little disappointed to see posters that are calling states "write-offs" and actually believing it when these states are obviously in need of support. Putting your head in the sand is not what people who changed the world would do in the face of what seemed to be a no-win situation. "Ok men, let's call off the invasion of Normandy, those Germans look pretty dug in and we'll never make it!" This is the equivilent of what you're saying! And you claim to be soldiers! Ha! I laugh out loud. If I was surrounded by soldiers like that when I served, I may not have made it!

    I'm proud to be from Massachusetts. My roots are here and just because the political leaders of today are harsh on gun ownership, it doesn't mean they can't be replaced. You will see them go long before you see me give in! I argue that most nay sayers couldn't correctly state the position of my leaders on more than 1 or 2 major topics! Of course, you'll run through the web now to find a few facts but, your ignorance is already apparent. There are numerous reasons that Teddy is still around, some of them are even legitimate.

    Here in Mass, we have some of the finest schools (kindergarten through post graduate), some of the most sucessful businesses, some of the most important history in the country, some of the most generous charities and countless other things that I like to be surrounded by. Thanks for the advice to run but, I will stay here and voice my opinion and vote my votes and influence my community.

    Don't be confused (especially you gunphreak). Just because I'm new to gun ownership doesn't mean I'm new to history, politics or what it takes to create success when it seems impossible. The views I'm seeing here in this forum are that of a couple of narrow minded, weak minded individuals that tend to replace fact with profanity.

    The attempts to aim insult and slander at a true Patriot that has served HIS country, served his community and obeys it's laws while enjoying his surroundings is completely outrageous. You can sit there an write unread letters to every level of leadership all the way to the White House while I go talk to my community and be heard. I will make a difference while you continue to make excuses. Will change come easy? Of course not! But it will come, and accepting defeat is not something I expected to find in this forum.

    There may be some that have been assimilated to the current state of affairs here (as there are in every community), but there are many here in Massachusetts that will do what it takes to make this state an even more comfortable place to live. I'm happy to have the gunphreaks of the world hiding in their basement thinking they're making an difference anywhere. Your dues to the big 4 are appreciated but your banter and talk about action is becoming less than boring.
  • snake-eyessnake-eyes Member Posts: 869 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    For Christs sakes due what the idiots in California do. Get yourself a C&R Firearms license for $30 freakin dollars. You then can order a Argentine .45 which is also a 1911 clone for $150 and have it shipped overnight to your house. Parts are inerchangeable with Colt.

    No background check, no stupid trigger loc, no tax, yes freakin way.

    Quit whining. Move or take your current political clowns out of office- it's that simple.

    Let's change the laws and quit bickering about them. One man CAN change the status quo.
  • longhunterlonghunter Member Posts: 3,242
    edited November -1
    NGG,Some of that was aimed in my direction and justifiably so.I live next door so to say I know nothing of your state would be unfair,I have visited and being a history buff I agree with your points on that.You did tend to miss my point on one aspect,we left England didn't we?Seems they figured they could not change things there and better to leave.Also I would agree tis a brave thing to stay and try to change things...looking at it logisticly from where I sit it seems pointless,that may not be your case..for you that my be fine but consider,why have things gone the way they have there?There a host reasons as I am sure you are aware,to try to break some will take on that good ole boys club,they have been entrenced longer there than anywhere....Heck we were part of your state for a while,out of necessity to be sure.I only know this,as the Boston area grew,mass. folks flocked into where I grew up to get awat from their high taxes....they kept their high paying jobs,paid to dang much drove the real estate costs out of site...in the lower seacoast region they effevtivly drove out the natives and while all this happened they built their sprwl and made it all just like where they came from....they did not change not one bit,southern York county has become a suburb of Massachusatts,DStay and fight?with what ?we didn't have the capitol,a lot of us tried,and the mass,machine rolled right over us all....they won .They can have it...anyhow,you might understand where I am coming from if you see what I am saying.No disrespect intended,keep up the good fight,don't let em getto you as well.
  • newgunguynewgunguy Member Posts: 16 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Longhunter, I think you're comparing apples to oranges when you say, "we left England" as a reason/excuse for accepting defeat on Massachusetts political issues. What happened when people started leaving England was an Empire's expansion. It wasn't until well after the members of the English colonies here got fed up with paying taxes to a government that wouldn't listen to them (no taxation without representation should ring a bell). So, for the most part, people didn't leave to get away from the government, they left for new opportunity in an extension of their homeland. Thus, the name New ENGLAND! Sure many people followed over the last several hundred years to escape their governments and take up new beginnings here but that wasn't how this country was born per se.

    A very simplified argument could be that the US was born with a group of citizens fighting for their rights. That has been true of this country from it's birth and it will continue. Unless we all take on the attitude I have seen displayed in this forum. Just because there are 50 states we shouldn't write off a handful of them and accept the loss. With that attitude, before you know it, 10 states will be considered write-offs, then 20...

    On your point about the Mass expansion, I feel your pain but, that's the nature of capitalism and we're right in the heart of it. There are countless well educated and funded groups centered in the Boston area that continue to grow. Without centers of commerce like Boston, this country certainly wouldn't be what it is. If we take a hard look at the third world countries (and the living conditions in most of world) we can be thankful that our society operates as it does. It is certainly sad to see people pushed out of their neighborhoods to make room for those that are more plugged in to the financial grinders that sustain the country. However, without growth you get decline and to me that's not an attractive alternative. You can look at it from either side of the fence but it is what it is and the big picture works...the opportunity is there to immerse yourself in your surroundings, to evolve with them, or to move on if you're not happy. As you know, someone will take your spot rather quickly if you choose to move on.

    I strongly feel that there's plenty to take advantage here that others will never know. The best medical care in the WORLD...increasing and stable property values...a few hundred of the best colleges in the country...a quick drive down to Concord Mass to visit the Old North Bridge (the sight of the shot heard round the world). There are endless reasons to stay and get involved in this state's evolution. If there are some that want to run, so be it...I'm staying.
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