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Dumping Registration (all in favor, raise your han
trstone
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Okay, kiddies---let's have a show of hands: How many here are in favor of completely dumping firearm registration?
Personally, I don't think that the Feds OR the local cops have ANY business telling you "You can't legally own a hand-gun within the city limits UNLESS YOU REGISTER IT WITH US." First of all, since WHEN do I have to get PRIOR APPROVAL to exercise a Constitutionally-guaranteed right, which (in print, mind you) says "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"? How is REQUIRING registration for lawful posession of a firearm NOT infringement?
Another point: personally, I don't think the Feds or the local cops have any business knowing what I have in the first place. The only time it becomes their business is if I do something illegal with said firearm. Which brings me to another sensitive issue I have with the way the cops handle registration: taking ballistic samples without telling you, when you register the gun. They do this here in Omaha. How do I know? Simple. Go in to register a handgun like a good little peasant. Half an hour to forty minutes later, you get the gun back, suspiciously warm to the touch. What took so long? Oh, well, let's try another experiment: let's register another gun, but THIS time we put a gun-lock on it. Cop wants the lock removed; sorry, I forgot the key. Annoyed cop walks off with the gun, and maybe ten minutes later the gun---and an annoyed cop---come back. "Here's your gun," he grunts. Gun is cool to the touch. Interesting. Then add to this that another person says "Hey, I think those guys are taking ballistic samples" and tells you a story that sounds just like the one above. So...You and a buddy decide to perform the experiment again; he registers his new revolver, but, by golly, he put the cable-lock on it, and darned iff'n he didn't forget the key at home. Total processing time: barely ten minutes.
Out of seven handgun registrations over a period of about six years, I've observed: (1) 5 registrations WITHOUT locks, 30-40 minutes
(2) 2 registrations WITH locks, maybe 10 minutes.
Hmmmm.
No sir, I don't like it.
I don't like having ballistic samples taken behind my back, and I don't like having to beg permission of the cops to own a handgun when I've allegedly been guaranteed (notice I didn't say "granted") the right to keep and bear one by an authority higher than either the cops OR the Feds. And let's not trot out that eyewash about how it makes society "safer", because we all know damned well that the huge majority of crimes are perpetrated with UNREGISTERED handguns. All registration does is make it easier to implement confiscation.
So I say: Let's dump it, completely and in every state in the Union.
Personally, I don't think that the Feds OR the local cops have ANY business telling you "You can't legally own a hand-gun within the city limits UNLESS YOU REGISTER IT WITH US." First of all, since WHEN do I have to get PRIOR APPROVAL to exercise a Constitutionally-guaranteed right, which (in print, mind you) says "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"? How is REQUIRING registration for lawful posession of a firearm NOT infringement?
Another point: personally, I don't think the Feds or the local cops have any business knowing what I have in the first place. The only time it becomes their business is if I do something illegal with said firearm. Which brings me to another sensitive issue I have with the way the cops handle registration: taking ballistic samples without telling you, when you register the gun. They do this here in Omaha. How do I know? Simple. Go in to register a handgun like a good little peasant. Half an hour to forty minutes later, you get the gun back, suspiciously warm to the touch. What took so long? Oh, well, let's try another experiment: let's register another gun, but THIS time we put a gun-lock on it. Cop wants the lock removed; sorry, I forgot the key. Annoyed cop walks off with the gun, and maybe ten minutes later the gun---and an annoyed cop---come back. "Here's your gun," he grunts. Gun is cool to the touch. Interesting. Then add to this that another person says "Hey, I think those guys are taking ballistic samples" and tells you a story that sounds just like the one above. So...You and a buddy decide to perform the experiment again; he registers his new revolver, but, by golly, he put the cable-lock on it, and darned iff'n he didn't forget the key at home. Total processing time: barely ten minutes.
Out of seven handgun registrations over a period of about six years, I've observed: (1) 5 registrations WITHOUT locks, 30-40 minutes
(2) 2 registrations WITH locks, maybe 10 minutes.
Hmmmm.
No sir, I don't like it.
I don't like having ballistic samples taken behind my back, and I don't like having to beg permission of the cops to own a handgun when I've allegedly been guaranteed (notice I didn't say "granted") the right to keep and bear one by an authority higher than either the cops OR the Feds. And let's not trot out that eyewash about how it makes society "safer", because we all know damned well that the huge majority of crimes are perpetrated with UNREGISTERED handguns. All registration does is make it easier to implement confiscation.
So I say: Let's dump it, completely and in every state in the Union.
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Death to Tyrants!!! Lev 26:14-39
Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.
Luke 22:36.
Not even 60 years have passed since we defeated the Nazis, but we have already reinstuted the Gestapo...[xx(]
It's just another reason why I LOATHE police---they act like self-righteous bullies to begin with, and on top of that they have the nerve to treat you like a common criminal and take BALLISTIC SAMPLES with NO proof that a crime's even been committed, and then the b*stards go and put wear and tear on your gun because they think it's their perogative. I'll bet the jerk who shot up your pistol even thought it was funny to boot: "Ha! I can run a hundred rounds through this fine, fine gun---and the peasant who owns it can't do anything about it, because I'M a big bad POLICEMAN. I have AUTHORITAH. I wear a big bad badge, and carry a big bad gun, and everyone else who ISN'T a policeman is a scumbag."
These louts with badges need to be controlled, seriously.
Lesson to be learned: If the cops are going to get their dirty mitts on your firearms, IF AT ALL POSSIBLE, ALWAYS LOCK THEM SO THEY CAN'T BE LOADED OR FIRED.
If there WERE such a thing as a "good cop", then that "good cop" should have spoken up in SOME capacity and told a superior "Hey, Such-And-So's been shooting the crap out of someone's brand-new gun. That's not our property, that's not right." Are cops allowed to live in the homes siezed from drug dealers? Are cops allowed to drive cars impounded or recovered in crime investigations? If a cop comes into your home with a warrant, can he raid your fridge? I know of no law in this country which says any property held for whatever reason by police may be used BY said police at their discretion, so it strikes me as totally unacceptable that a cop somewhere can just say "Gee, what a nice gun. I do believe I will shoot it, even though it isn't mine." It's just plain arrogance.
Like doctors stick together
and lawyers(ever tried to get a lawyer to sue another lawyer for legal malpractice?)
I do believe however that there ARE good cops out there....They can't just go tell someone ,they will get "fired"by the wall....Their hands are tied,and we all helped tie them....or I should say the public in general.I Believe they are out there nonethe less.