college gun debate- asking for help

chezick

My social problems class is having a second debate on gun control. The last debate went well. A good majority of the class was against it. The teacher had to put the undecided people with the few anti-gunners just to have enough people to oppose us. I was the most informed student in the class and I had some real good ammo so to speak. The problem was that I had to be called on to speak and I often had to wait my turn. In the interim other less informed and less focused gun rights advocates were doing their best to stay on top. Next time around I want to really have some compelling things to present in the few opportunities I have. I used our second amendment as the foundation of my argument. I stated that the second amendment gives the citizens a last safety against a runaway government and said the duty of our government to provide public safety stops at the feet of the second. I also pointed out that the problem in our society is violence, not guns. I also pointed out that where more people carry there is less violent crime.

What I was hoping to do next time around is present something really big. I thought about a statement I read a while back, it was from the father of a teen girl murdered in a school shooting. He came right out and said guns were not the cause of the incident. I thought that would be very powerful. Another piece I was thinking about is a poster or flier I read on-line once. If I remember correctly it was about how women should handle a rape without a firearm. I think it even said one should try to get the rapist to wear a condom. That should stir some emotion. I would also like to have some actual numbers and statistics.

One of the anti-gunners claimed that Africa has banned gun ownership by civilians and it is a democracy. I didn't know how to respond to that at the time, it caught me off guard. In retrospect, I think I should have made a reference to Iraq being a democracy under Saddam and how Saddam had 100% of the vote supposedly. I could have also pointed out that those citizens had no recourse for a runaway government.

I also wanted to expose all the lies about guns and how gun grabbers use them. I want to bring up the proposed fifty bans, a fire arm that to my knowledge has never been used in a shooting. I know anti-gunners claim ridiculous crap like they can knock out a tank or an airplane at a mile and a half or how they should be classified as "assault weapons." A 35 lb 40 inch $5000+ assault rifle huh? Lots of criminals have those I bet.

I think useless gun laws would be a good topic. Know any real embarrassing ones?

Anyways, I wanted to post here and get some more ammo for the next debate. I'm hoping to be so compelling that nobody in the room could deny our need or right to own firearms. I believe this is a good opportunity to present the facts and do away with the bull. If anybody knows where I could find the article and poster I mentioned above or any good statistics, I would like to get that information from you. If you have any more points to suggest or links to sites, I would appreciate those as well.

This section of the forum doesn't get much traffic, do you think I should also post it in the general discussion area?

tr fox

Definately post this on the general discussion board or anywhere else you can get attention and help. I respect you and your efforts. As much as I would like to, I can not be much help. It is not my style to engage in debates that will encompass the entire world, bringing in never-ending data, situations, facts, logic, reasons, etc. To me this kind of debating situation is kind of like me being asked to explain the world in 25 words or less. It cannot be done, and any attempts to do so will end in failure. I do not have the time or energy to explain why some countries can survive with strict gun control or to explain how innocent victims who are anti-gun should feel after they are robbed or raped by a criminal. If forced to explain or debate I would insist that we focus on the fact that America is a country different from all others and therefore cannot be compared to other countries. And that unlike other countries, American citizens are CITIZENS and not SUBJECTS as in most other countries. It is kind of like instead of being employees of a company, the citizens are actually the owners who have merely hired someone (the current politicians) to run the "business" for the citizens. Hope this helps, and if you want more of my rantings please say so because I have a lot more.

Quote "When guns were invented everything changed. For the first time in the history of the world a frail woman had a chance to sucessfully defend herself and home. My dream is that one of the anti-gun nuts will need a gun for defense and be unable to have one because of their own actions."

Highball

http://www.justfacts.com/gun_control.htm
http://www.originalintent.org/edu/chapter44.php
http://www.jpfo.org/

The Right to Keep and Bear Arms
REPORT
of the
SUBCOMMITTEE ON THE CONSTITUTION
of the
UNITED STATES SENATE

NINETY-SEVENTH CONGRESS

Second Session
February 1982

Printed for the use of the Committee on the Judiciary
http://www.constitution.org/mil/rkba1982.htm


http://www.powernet.net/~eich1/noknock.html

Here is some facts on the .50 http://www.keepandbeararms.com./downloads/GunFacts_v3.2.pdfcal..http://www.keepandbeararms.com./default.asp

You will no doubt hear about this "43 times more likely crap.."

Evaluating the "43 times" fallacy

by David K. Felbeck.....
http://www.keepandbeararms.com./information/XcIBViewItem.asp?ID=2331



Just a few places to get you started..do the research.Better to read for yourself ....

BorgCube

Considering Africa is an entire continent, I think that other person's facts are off. I highly doubt every single country in Africa is democratic. Libya for one, is not.

I am also not sure where this other person's point is leading? No one said that a country without guns is undemocratic. Even the US can vote guns out by democratic means by amending the Constitution.

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"I can think of dozens of reasons not to have hi-cap mags, but it's the one reason I can't think of that I need them!"

pickenup

I saw your post in the "Politics" forum first. I posted a link there to the fathers remarks.

The gene pool needs chlorine.

chezick

Borg,
I believe he was trying to counter my point that firearms in the hands of civilians are necessary to ensure that his/her democratic government doesn't slide into a dictatorship. He may have said South Africa but I was on the opposite side of the room and couldn't hear him very well.

Everybody thanks for the perspective and info so far, if you come across anything else let me know. There are some good statistics here and some debunking of gun grabber's claims. I'm going to keep researching as I believe there is lots more out there.

I think I'll try emailing the NRA, I'm sure they have somebody that would be interested in sharing facts. I used to be a member of the fifty cal shooters assn, I still get their fifty ban memo's in my email but it wouldn't hurt to contact them as well.