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lcranchlcranch Member Posts: 72 ✭✭
So far the responses are embarassing for you guys
Define a well regulated militia as desribed in the 2nd amendment
To make progress on this issue one has to discuss and examin the 2nd
amendment very closely. Were the amendments to the constitution something less than the constitution itself. Is there enough wisdom in the constitution to consider it valuable enough to be enduring or even inspired by a diety. I think there is a reasonably strong argument for this position. So what is a well regulated militia in a democracy? Certainly not a paid Army only, for while crucially important to a democracy is even more important to a dictatorship or to keep socialistic order. So what is a well regulated militia and why is it so important. Please help answer this question.[;)]

Woodsie

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  • jpwolfjpwolf Member Posts: 9,164
    edited November -1
    At the time of the founders, "well regulated" referred to being able to function. And to do this it requires only one thing, armed people. Armed people to provide for defense, probably assuming a reprisal from the British, and they also knew that had the average citizen not been armed, the revolution could not have taken place, and they feared a strong central government, so they felt the need to make the government "look over their shoulder". This was supposed to keep the government under control for all time as the ultimate check in the "checks and balances".

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    "If there must be trouble let it be in my day, that my child may have peace" -Thomas Paine

    If the people have become so apathetic that they will not vote out all the liberal scum (republican and democrat alike), the only solution is Constitutional Convention II the sequel. Let's get it right this time.
  • IAMAHUSKERIAMAHUSKER Member Posts: 2,479 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I don't know what to say without getting all worked up so I will just keep my mouth (keyboard) shut! I will say that the founding fathers hands where held by GOD himself. I have never heard anything from anyone that even comes close to what they came up with. Have you ??????????????????

    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." --Thomas Jefferson to Archibald Stuart, 1791. ME 8:276
  • gunphreakgunphreak Member Posts: 1,791 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    A well-regulated militia-n. (A well reg-U-LATE-id mill-ISH-uh) 1. A body of able-bodied males between the age of 17 and 45, all well-equipped, well-trained and organized among themselves, as defined in the Militia Act of 1792. 2. The civilian fighting force consisting of the people of the United States, operating independently in the face of domestic tyranny, or alongside the US trained army to repel foreign invasion or quash civil uprisings of those involved in destroying the common good for all the citizens ie. terrorists.

    Death to Tyrants!!!
    Lev 26:14-39

    Remember how many seats were lost after AWB passage? Vae victis!
    Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.

    Luke 22:36.
  • salzosalzo Member Posts: 6,837
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by lcranch
    To make progress on this issue one has to discuss and examin the 2nd
    amendment very closely.......

    So what is a well regulated militia in a democracy?

    More important, one must also examine the entire constitution very closely. And a not so close examination would reveal that we do not live in a Democracy.

    "Waiting tables is what you know, making cheese is what I know-lets stick with what we know!"
    -Jimmy the cheese man
  • jpwolfjpwolf Member Posts: 9,164
    edited November -1
    Ahhh salzo, could it be? That we live in a constitutional republic? Einstein takes another black eye.
    And you, lcranch, were criticizing my tactics.

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    "If there must be trouble let it be in my day, that my child may have peace" -Thomas Paine

    If the people have become so apathetic that they will not vote out all the liberal scum (republican and democrat alike), the only solution is Constitutional Convention II the sequel. Let's get it right this time.
  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    quote:lcranch Posted - 01/25/2004 : 7:51:14 PM
    So far the responses are embarassing for you guys
    Define a well regulated militia as desribed in the 2nd amendment


    So I got nothing to say until I see where you are going with you questions.

    You wish an intellectual debate..or perhaps we should sit around stroking each other ? Whence come you..and where are you going ?
  • pickenuppickenup Member, Moderator Posts: 22,350 ******
    edited November -1
    I'm with Highball on this one.
    I will wait and see.

    The gene pool needs chlorine.
  • longhunterlonghunter Member Posts: 3,242
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  • gunphreakgunphreak Member Posts: 1,791 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Define a well regulated militia as desribed in the 2nd amendment

    See my above post.

    quote:Were the amendments to the constitution something less than the constitution itself.

    No. The Amendments were not formulated to keep the people in line. They were God given rights the assure the people were free. To make it simpler, The Bill of Rights has existed far longer than the US Constitution. The Bill of Rights was written specifically to tell the people that the government as defined in the US Constitution would acknowledge and respect these rights (obviously, right?) However, any Amendment after the 10th Amendment does not hold the same God given principles, and are NOT greater than the first 10 Amendments.

    quote:Is there enough wisdom in the constitution to consider it valuable enough to be enduring or even inspired by a diety.

    By just and Deity, no. By God, Absolutely. This takes a bit of Bible reading to understand. A true believer will keep it going regardless of the condition of the State.

    quote:So what is a well regulated militia in a democracy?

    In a democracy, aka contractual anarchy, should the people rely on their own wisdom, and not the Lord's infinite wisdom, then the concept is nothing more than a relic of a bygone era, as are the rest of the Bill of Rights. Millions have died relying on their own wisdom, and not following the highest of wisdom.

    For any of those who have ever actually read the US Constitution or the Bill of Rights, the word "Democracy" does not occur in it anywhere, any more than the phrase "Separation of Church and state" does.

    quote:So what is a well regulated militia and why is it so important.

    Why not ask the jews of the Holocaust this question. Or perhaps the Russians in Stalin's time. Perhaps the Cambodians during Pol Pot's time. Throughout history, mankind has learned, sometimes the hard way, that their biggest enemy is not the street thug who wants to rob them, not the rapist stalking a half dressed young girl walking out of a bar, and not even the identity thief of modern days... it is their own governments. If you don't get another thing out of this discussion, take this one to heart. If all you do in the fight for freedom is keep this in mind, you'll be that much better off.

    Death to Tyrants!!!
    Lev 26:14-39

    Remember how many seats were lost after AWB passage? Vae victis!
    Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.

    Luke 22:36.
  • jpwolfjpwolf Member Posts: 9,164
    edited November -1
    Very well said Gunny.

    ________________________________________________________________________

    "If there must be trouble let it be in my day, that my child may have peace" -Thomas Paine

    If the people have become so apathetic that they will not vote out all the liberal scum (republican and democrat alike), the only solution is Constitutional Convention II the sequel. Let's get it right this time.
  • longhunterlonghunter Member Posts: 3,242
    edited November -1
    I 2nd what jp said....very good response...I will keep some of those to use myself. L.H.
  • lcranchlcranch Member Posts: 72 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    JP Wolf why don,t you stop your ego struggle and live up to your potential to think.Don't try to show how smart you are,instead get smarter and realize you and I are not in a contest this is an important topic besting me is not important at all. The 2nd amendment is the law of the land. I'm On GOD'S side I don't expect him to be on mine. You gotta Know the law to win the debate and convince the people who you vote for.[;)]
    Come on JPWolf show me some thing do some of your best thinking thats
    all I want[;)]

    Woodsie
  • jpwolfjpwolf Member Posts: 9,164
    edited November -1
    My best thinking is as follows; you come in here asking all kinds of questions, offering little or no information on your opinions, and immediately criticize EVERONE who has been here doing their part. Then you continue to follow up with more criticism. Just who the ( fill in the blank) do you think you are? If you can't handle criticism yourself, maybe you ought not start off by throwing stones, EINSTEIN!
    Do you have any idea what comraderie is? Maybe you should start relations off by trying to appeal to people at some level, rather than repel at all levels.
    YOU show US something. You are not automatically "entitled" to the respect you have done nothing to earn, and have to the contrary, made it much harder on yourself to earn it now.
    We understand much more than you, in your infinite wisdom, know. We understand a "nobody" who thinks he's a "somebody". Take the low ground and try a little humility when you are new to the situation you want to be involved in. A loudmouth popping off get's miserable results compared to the guy who is willing to listen. If you really truly believe that you are that much more intelligent than the rest of us, maybe you would be best off if you tried your tactics on another group. Otherwise back off and show some respect.

    ________________________________________________________________________

    "If there must be trouble let it be in my day, that my child may have peace" -Thomas Paine

    If the people have become so apathetic that they will not vote out all the liberal scum (republican and democrat alike), the only solution is Constitutional Convention II the sequel. Let's get it right this time.
  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    Long,long, ago,in a land far away...Show Low was its name....A very good man was betrayed by close friends....Little Pooh lost her daddy.

    Knowing their prey was VERY aware and very good
    ...With Local help...the Jack Booted Thugs.....carefully set up a scenerio designed to alley his suspicions and bring out his very human desire to help..whereupon they gunned him down..
    and Little Pooh lost her daddy...
    and the World lost a voice of freedom...
  • lcranchlcranch Member Posts: 72 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Now we are getting some where at least it's a start. So I take you out of your comfort zone. I,ve already agreed that I can't spell as well as JP. I don't think I know anything. I'm provoking I would have to know you a whole lot better to criticize. I am saying one thing one has to know the law I'm not saying I do and you don't. I am saying
    that in my experience the 2nd amendment is hard to get ones mind around and in America that is gun rights. Speaking as humbly as I can[;)] I'll be back.

    Woodsie
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