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Kick Butt of Newspapers Banning Gun Ads.

tr foxtr fox Member Posts: 13,856
OK, here are a few "Guerilla Warefare" ideas to use on those newspapers that totally or partically ban gun advertisements.

#1: Most newspaper companies place their newspaper racks/machines at various places in the community. Many such companies even are bold and thoughtless enough to actually place their racks on public property. Such as chaining them to a light pole along a busy street or intersection or placing them in or near public buildings, etc. We have gotten so used to this that most of us don't notice or think anything about it. But if you want to cause the newspaper company a headache, locate most of the location where the newspaper company is basically making a profit from illegally using public space. Start complaining about this. The practice is not much different than if McDonalds set up a small hamburger stand on public property and started making money selling hamburgers. Force them out of there.

1B: Complain about those newspaper racks being placed at various locations as if they were old, dangerous refrigerators being abandoned and being a danger to children. Because they are a danger. If some older children forced a smaller child (or dog or cat, etc)into one of those machines and shut the door, that child or animal would be trapped there until someone let them out.

#2 Most newspaper companies don't collect or pay sales tax on single copy sales from those newspaper racks/machines. Start complaning until they have to start paying.

#3. Many newspaper carriers, especially the independent contractors/agents will use very small children ( as young as 10 or 11)to help deliver their newspapers. If you complain about this child labor exploration you can seriously embarrass the newspaper company because these children should not be working and expecially at that time of the morning for low pay and facing various dangers.

#4. Try to get your community to think of the newspaper company as major polluters. And they are. They use a tremdous amount of paper (trees) to print and huge amounts of gasoline to drive around delivering their newspaper. They should have be much more responsible about taking care of their pollution than they are. Make it your job to force them to "clean up their act"

#5. This one I have just started doing myself with the local K.C. Star Newspaper because they only allow ads for guns used for hunting or sporting purposes. So no handguns at all and no Ruger mini-14s, AR-15, AK-47, etc. They may be able to ban GUN ads, but can they ban ads for gun MANUALS?

Example. Consider banned ad: Colt AR-15 that features numerous high capacity magazines for $1,200.00.

Reworded ad: OWNERS MANUALfor Colt AR-15 that features numerous high capacity magazines and sold for $1,200.00.

Don't ya think it's likely that the reader of the reworded ad would realize that you were really trying to sell a gun and not just the manual? Especially after this method of getting around the newspaper gun ad ban becomes better known and popular? And how would the newspaper look if they tried to ban something as harmless as a "owners manual"? But if that doesn't work, then advertise a "picture" of the described gun, etc. Or come up with your own idea.

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    Salvage33Salvage33 Member Posts: 1,182 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    trfox

    Wow!!! Impressive piece of literature, and I have to admit, that you are even more cunning and inventive than me! [:)] Great ideas, and since my local paper is a Gannett paper (read liberal communist/socialist propaganda sheet) I am going to make it a point to check out where these stands are, and if they are located on public property, I will complain long and loud to my city councilman. Ditto for the sales taxes lost.

    Kudos!!

    John

    A friend will post your bail. A good friend will be sitting next to you in the cell saying, "man that was fun!"
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    tr foxtr fox Member Posts: 13,856
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    Thanks John. I don't get many "kudos", but the few I get are greatly APPRECIATED. Go give em' he!!. I'm working on it here in KC. And by the way, share some of your "cunning and inventive ideas" with the rest of us. We might use them or even think of a way to combine your idea with one we are working on to make a new and better idea. We need to start pooling our brain power instead of everyone just doing their own thing.

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    Salvage33Salvage33 Member Posts: 1,182 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    LOL trfox..

    Most of my cunning ideas will land you in jail! [8D]

    But have found five newspaper boxes so far..and have already asked my city councilman about the tax revenue. He came in the small diner while I was eating lunch and joined me and a friend. He smiled at me when I asked if the local paper here in Shreveport paid the city sales taxes on revenues generated from the sale of newspapers out of their own vending machines, then asked, "who torqued your jaws down tight this time?"

    He's a pretty cool guy, known him for years, but if they are generating one dollar of revenue and not paying taxes, he will make it known that they are in arrears.

    Have a great rest of the week..

    John

    A friend will post your bail. A good friend will be sitting next to you in the cell saying, "man that was fun!"
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    tr foxtr fox Member Posts: 13,856
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    John, you made my day! Finally someone who has their own ideas and acts on them, but also listens to other people's ideas and if you like those ideas you ACT ON THEM TOO. My kinda person. We need more like you. Keep it up, because since you have read my "Guerilla Warfare" post, you know there are several ways you can give your local anti-gun newspaper (they made themselves our enemy) a LOT OF GRIEF. If you want some extra fun, contact the newspaper management and TELL THEM WHAT YOU ARE DOING TO THEM. Enjoy.

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    Salvage33Salvage33 Member Posts: 1,182 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    tr..

    My local newspaper does, indeed, carry gun ads..rifles, pistols, and shotguns. My complaint with them is that it is owned by Gannett of USA Today fame, and if there is a story that should be on the front page that is positive about President Bush, or the war in Iraq, or the military, it is usually buried deep in the "local" section of the newspaper.

    Secondly, they have never met a liberal that they didn't like, and their editorial page has never met a tax it didn't like. That is why I have already bugged my city councilman about the likely loss of sales tax revenues from their vending machines.

    Since I last wrote, I have found 2 more! Too bad I don't have a stored supply of the good, OLD M-80's. LOL I told you earlier that a lot of my "cunning" ideas would land you in jail. [}:)]

    John

    A friend will post your bail. A good friend will be sitting next to you in the cell saying, "man that was fun!"
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    tr foxtr fox Member Posts: 13,856
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    John, well good for that newspaper in that they still run gun ads, although there will soon come a day when they won't. But they have still chosen to be the enemy of honest gun owners and citizens who believe that power comes from the people, not from the government. so use the tools I have given you and KICK THEIR BUTT!

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    pickenuppickenup Member Posts: 22,844 ✭✭✭✭
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    A friend of mine fills those boxes with newspapers.
    The newspaper company "wholesales" her the papers.
    Thereby relieving themselves of any "tax" liability.
    She then fills the boxes.
    It is up to her, to pay taxes on them, or not.
    If anyone gets in trouble for not paying the tax,
    it would be her (an independent) not the paper.

    I will be asking her some questions next time I talk to her.


    The gene pool needs chlorine.
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    tr foxtr fox Member Posts: 13,856
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    pickenup, thanks for the info. I am aware that this is how it operates with most newspaper companies and their delivery people. Most are independent agents or contracters. I am not looking for a way to hurt such small business people, just the newspaper companies that are anti-gun. I respect those delivery people for doing a sometimes difficult and thankless job. And the whole newspaper and contractor relationship is one which is of extreme, one sided advantage to the newspaper and much less to the delivery person. We can have a detailed sidebar on this subject if you like, as your friend might be interested in my observations about this relationship.

    But if I am to give the newspaper company problems, I will have to cause some heat for the independent delivery people. HOWEVER, those delivery people should be able to dump whatever problems I cause into the lap of the newspaper company. That is how I plan on giving the anti-gun newspaper companies heartburn.

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    h4ckthish4ckthis Member Posts: 66 ✭✭
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    No officer, I have no idea who set that paperbox on fire.


    Larry? Who's Larry? Never heard of him.


    (heheh)
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    Salvage33Salvage33 Member Posts: 1,182 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I don't want to take money out of a "contractor's" pocket, but my councilman and I are going to shoot some sporting clays this weekend. I might be able to put another bee in his bonnet! [8D]

    But I have also found out that there are some of the boxes that are owned and serviced by the newspaper, so that info will also be passed along. Wonder what kind of retroactive fine this would entail?

    I love doing stuff like this!!!! LOL

    John

    A friend will post your bail. A good friend will be sitting next to you in the cell saying, "man that was fun!"
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    tr foxtr fox Member Posts: 13,856
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    John, you seem to be one of the few "real" people I have bumped into in a long time. Dang, I wished you lived in the KC area. If we teamed up we could own this town (or tear it down).

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    ArmaliteA4ArmaliteA4 Member Posts: 489 ✭✭✭
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    HAhaHAHha.......

    Keep up the good work guys[;)]
    I am dojng the same type stuff in my area..Recon is the first step, THEN its time for action[8D]
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    tr foxtr fox Member Posts: 13,856
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    HE!! YEAH!!! If we can't get it done the easy way, we'll just do it the hard way.

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    Salvage33Salvage33 Member Posts: 1,182 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    trfox..

    Well, thank you! Of course, I think if we got together, we would actually burn the town down to the water line (I'm ex-Navy, so bear with me). LOL

    My "hero" when I was growing up was Alfred E. Neuman..for those of you who don't know, try reading "MAD Magazine" and his motto, which I adopted, sometimes rather seriously, is/was "what, me worry?" I have to say that that attitude has negatively impacted me a couple of times, but carried me through positively more times, so it is sort of my mantra.

    That, along with having three brothers who are each talented in their own right, has contributed to a sense of what's right and wrong, unlike Clinton who lived in a world where it was based on "what's legal, and what can I get away with." Now my brothers and I have done some really crazy things, especially when we were all much younger and "bullet proof." LOL

    At one point in time I had a trap line set up, and would run them every morning about sunrise. One day I found that one of my traps had a bobcat in it. He was anchored down pretty good by one back leg. How his back leg came to be in it is up for speculation, but, nonetheless, I was, I have to admit, a bit reticent about wading in and removing him from the trap. I went home and told one of my brothers about the situation, and as we thought for a moment, he came up with the idea of closing a large suitcase over him, then releasing his leg. Sounded good to me, so we got one out of the garage and boogied back to the bobcat.

    It didn't take long to get the suitcase over the feline, and as soon as I released the leg, the bobcat * it up, and as he did, my brother (all of twelve) closed the suitcase up and sat down on it. I latched it up and we hiked about a mile back towards the house, discussing how we were going to open the suitcase, and release the cat without getting clawed, scratched, bitten, killed, eaten, etc.
    And it was obvious to us that the cat was getting more and more irritated by being detained in such a manner...but you gotta hand it to whoever built that suitcase, it was tough! [:)]

    We finally decided (one of the few times in my youth) that discretion was definitely the better part of valor, and carried the suitcase up to the paved road, a half mile from the house and set it on the side of the road, then decided that we would hide in the brush and see how long it would sit there.

    Less than five minutes later, a car drove by, four older guys (juniors in highschool) were in the car. They went on down the road then did a uee and came back. One of the guys in the back seat opened his door and reached out and snatched the suitcase inside, and off they roared. Less than 100 yards down the road, all four doors on the car opened up and all four of them bailed out, along with one very P.O.'d bobcat. The car ran down into the ditch and came to rest against a barbed wire fence.

    We laughed until we cried, then, after the occupants of the car had driven off, we retrieved the suitcase and went home.

    Thought I would tell you this just to let you know where my psyche is, from time to time.

    John


    A friend will post your bail. A good friend will be sitting next to you in the cell saying, "man that was fun!"
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    tr foxtr fox Member Posts: 13,856
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    John, find that bobcat and stick him into one of those newpaper racks owned and operated by those damn anti-gun newspapers. That will get their attention. Don't worry about buying bandages, I will ship you a case as soon as you tell me you have got the bobcat cornered.

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    Salvage33Salvage33 Member Posts: 1,182 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    tr

    Uh..no! I'm old and gray now, and definitely not bullet proof! However, something along the line of a nice central american boa in each one might just do the trick. Thought about something venomous, but that could lead, possibly, to charges of manslaughter/murder/depraved indifference. LOL

    Nope, I'm just gonna continue to bug my councilman...at least for the time being. Perhaps a MGD induced brainstorm will come to me this weekend.

    John


    A friend will post your bail. A good friend will be sitting next to you in the cell saying, "man that was fun!"
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    tr foxtr fox Member Posts: 13,856
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    John, I had been thinking about catching a small stray dog or cat (might be hard to do, we have lease laws here) and placing it into one of the newspaper racks (wouldn't hurt the animal) and then calling the police to report what "some evil person" had done. Might be turned into a big deal and even get printed as news in the newspaper (he he). Then I could use that story and the police report to go to the city council or just go public and warn how dangerous those newspaper racks were if some evil kids had placed a small child in there instead of the animal. (Hey, here there are kids that would do such a thing). Then I would demand that all those newspaper racks be removed, or the newspaper company pay to have a full time attendent at each newspaper rack, or the racks be redesigned so that nothing could be placed inside. This idea might even be a good one if terroists ever get the idea of putting dangerous things into the oh-so-common and unnoticed newspaper rack. Anyway, if I got the results I wanted, it could cost newspapers across the country MILLIONS. And that would have to hurt when they realized that loss had been brought to them complements of the pro-gun people they step on daily.

    I again say I do not want to cause problems for the carrier just out doing his/her job or running their small business. And it might seem at first as if some of these actions I suggest might cause some problems for those innocent carriers. But please remember that is many cases those newspaper racks are actually owned by the newspaper company and only loaned or leased to the carrier. Besides, anytime there is going to be a citywide deliver problem you know that the newspaper company is going to HAVE to protect their selves by stepping in and solving the delivery problem all the carriers are having.

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    buffalobobbuffalobob Member Posts: 119 ✭✭✭
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    I live in the K.C. area and as you have also been pee-od about no handgun adds being allowed in the classified adds of the KC Red Star.
    I like your idea and will see what I can find lurking around on public property.
    I hate to patronize this rag but it's the only paper we have in this area, so how would it work if you had to sell some guns that you just placed your add saying "Gun collection for sale."
    I don't care for the idea of animals placed in the boxes. Soft heart I guess.

    JESUS
    KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS
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    tr foxtr fox Member Posts: 13,856
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    Buffalobob, I am not happy about animals placed in boxes, but they would not be harmed as it would only be short term. Plus sometimes I have to slightly adjust what I think and feel if I am going to make any progress at all. I have another more personal (but legal and moral) project I have just launched against the K.C. Red Star. If you (or anyone is interested enough for me to spend the time posting it let me know. I believe it is a totally new and unique way to combat the anti-gun newspapers in regards to not advertisng guns. Although now that I think about I have already posted some info about the idea somewhere here on GB.com. Basically I said that the newspaper can apparently get away with not running gun ads, but can they get away with not running ads for PICTURES of the the gun you are trying to sell or even for the owner's manual of the gun you are trying to sell? I mean it would make them look like Communist China dictators if the KC Star refused an ad for a picture of a gun or for an owners manual. And you could describe the picture or owner's manual just as if you were describing the gun you are trying to sell. Only strangely enough the PRICE IS THE SAME PRICE AS FOR THE GUN. Kinda like a prohibation against selling beer at the beach along with hotdogs. Charge enough for the hotdog to cover both the hotdog and beer and then just give the beer as a freebie. Buy a hotdog and get a free beer. Buy the PICTURE of my gun for $500.00 and GET A FREE GUN. Buy the owner's MANUAL for my gun for $500.00 and GET A FREE GUN. Come on people, this can work against every newspaper in the country that rejects gun ads. But we have to ACTUALLY make it happen instead of talking about it.

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    Salvage33Salvage33 Member Posts: 1,182 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    tr..

    make it a cat...they will lie there in a very mellow state, then go totally ape sh** berserk as soon as the door is opened. LOL

    Also, one more thing, wear rubber gloves, and make sure that there are no surveillance cameras around...you know, ATM's, Taco Bell drive thru windows...do a complete recon before caging the cat! [8D]

    John

    PS Borrow the neighbor's car or truck, just in case someone gets a license plate number. Stolen cars work better, but doubt if you want to carry it THAT far! LOL


    A friend will post your bail. A good friend will be sitting next to you in the cell saying, "man that was fun!"
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    tr foxtr fox Member Posts: 13,856
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    Uhummm...Salvage333, maybe I should just put the cat into the newspaper box, take a picture of it and then let the cat escape. Then take the PICTURE of the poor cat I just "rescued" to the newspaper company, town council, etc. and complain that next time those "evil pranksters" might up the ante and put a small child in there and I want those "dangerous devices" (newspaper machines) OFF THE STREETS before someone gets hurt. (I'm more serious than you probably think). And the funny part is, if someone came up on you as you were putting the cat INTO the newspaper machine, you could claim that you JUST FOUND the poor cat trapped in the newspaper machine and you were just in the process of letting it out. Under those circumstances you could even use the person who "caught" you in the act as A WITNESS to the fact that the poor cat was actually in there. (he he, I like it)

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    Salvage33Salvage33 Member Posts: 1,182 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    trfox..

    You sure you aren't a criminal defense lawyer?

    LOL

    John

    A friend will post your bail. A good friend will be sitting next to you in the cell saying, "man that was fun!"
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    tr foxtr fox Member Posts: 13,856
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    John, I'm just a guy a guy who likes to at least try and think outside the box. Many years ago (as with you I am old and gray) I learned a techinque called "brain storming". I was in sales at the time and our sales manager introduced us to the concept. He explained it as a group in a meeting whose purpose was to come up with new, good sales ideas. He said we could throw out ANY idea that came into our head with no fear of ridicule if the idea seemed kinda goofey. He said that sometimes ideas that seem goofey at first can sometimes be molded into good workable ideas. Or even that two fair ideas can be join and create one good idea. It occcurred to me that I didn't need to be in a group or even in sales to "brain storm" but that it could also be done alone. And that is what I do. That is the reason you might sometimes (or even often) read ideas I post that are seen as "goofey". I am just using my procedure to try and progress.

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    Salvage33Salvage33 Member Posts: 1,182 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    tr..

    I guess it's a damn good thing we aren't in politics! LOL Can you imagine a ticket like this?

    VOTE FOR FOX/SALVAGE...Neither one wants to be president or vice president..they would be your voice as co-presidents/vice-presidents. Whoever was in the best mood that day would be the "good" president, whoever was in the bad mood would get to declare war.

    Like you, I have spent 30+ years in sales/service, and some of my best ideas came while swilling adult beverages with co-workers, didn't have to put up with a "manager" type holding us in bondage to "brainstorm" anything. LOL

    But you haven't lived until you have had to stand outside a woman's restroom in a large department store in a major city and ask them if they used the new woman's urinal and how did they like it. [B)] Had to have store security, in uniform, stand there with me to keep from being beaten to death with purses!!! Honest!!!!

    John

    A friend will post your bail. A good friend will be sitting next to you in the cell saying, "man that was fun!"
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    tr foxtr fox Member Posts: 13,856
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    man! That adult beverage sounds like a good idea. Hold on, I'll be right back..............................

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