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i thought we had problems with assorted laws about how much force you can use and when.in england(and it seems through much of europe) there is no right to self defense. it is illegal to carry anything specifically for self defense in england and i mean anything.if someone attacks you and you were carrying a flashlight which you used to defend yourself you will be charged with assualt you would have to prove it was a weapon of opportunity otherwise you will get as much time as the crook since by carrying a weapon it is considered that you were planning on assualting someone.
im reading this and wondering what has the world come to? it is illegal to defend yourself, what are yyou supposed to do? submit? no i begin to understand what happens when people get too civilized, everything is permissable, noone is ever wrong. and you have no right to defend your life. if it is taken someone will argue that since your life is already taken it will do no good to kill the criminal since 2 rights dont make a wrong. people have less rights than animals it seems.is western society insane? or maybe its just me?
happiness is a warm gun, preferably preban
im reading this and wondering what has the world come to? it is illegal to defend yourself, what are yyou supposed to do? submit? no i begin to understand what happens when people get too civilized, everything is permissable, noone is ever wrong. and you have no right to defend your life. if it is taken someone will argue that since your life is already taken it will do no good to kill the criminal since 2 rights dont make a wrong. people have less rights than animals it seems.is western society insane? or maybe its just me?
happiness is a warm gun, preferably preban
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I read that article, and was amazed. My wife and I were planning a trip to Great Britain, but after reading that, we decided to spend our dollars somewhere else. Perhaps if more Americans were aware of what is going on in GB and other places in Europe and quit going over there, they would change their minds. Well..probably not! But were not going now.
A friend will post your bail. A good friend will be sitting next to you in the cell saying, "man that was fun!"
But my point is that such people view the world as they WANT it or as they THINK it to be. And of course they pass laws to govern the honest citizen's behavior based on that thinking.
In contrast, people like us view the world as it IS and we try to modify our behavior to deal with that real world. Hope this makes some kind of sense to you.
Quote "Somehow government decided that the Constitutional Bill of Rights has become the Bill of "Suggested" Rights and are to be rationed to the citizens as the power elite sees fit"
Perhaps that is why so many Brits want to move over here. At least in this country you can defend yourself!!! And the tax rate is a LOT lower than in GB!!!
As I said, we were planning on a trip to GB this summer, but think we'll go back to Costa Rica. We don't speak the language well, but we have a good time!!! The people are friendly, the weather is warm, the prices are low, and the beer is muy fria! LOL
See you manana at guntalk
John
A friend will post your bail. A good friend will be sitting next to you in the cell saying, "man that was fun!"
Just because we have allowed a cesspoool of garbage to get control of power in this once great land...DOES NOT CHANGE THE FACTS.....
As stated above..one does NOT have to go to England to observe insanity...one can do it much closer to home...
It is all about control. Control over your life, your destiny, your existance. And may you simple masses never be at the helm driving the levers of your life.
We're from the government, we're here to help.
We know what is best for you.
[/sarcasm]
The gene pool needs chlorine.
on a more serious note all lawsuits against an individual for defending themselves are based on excessive or unnneeded force. im not going to gradually move up the force ladder till i meet some level of equal force when being attacked, im going to use whatever means are at my disposal to cause immense pain and incapacitation to the attacker. i will go at it like he means to do the same to me.
the very concept of needing to justify my actions in defending myself is ludicrous
happiness is a warm gun, preferably preban
The law went into effect at midnight on Dec. 31st...and the first time it was put to the test was about 2 hours after the law took effect. An elderly lady shot someone THROUGH THE WINDOW of her home. He was in the act of cutting the window screen. Apparently she slept with a 45 cal. revolver under her pillow. Her dog woke her up, and as she saw the silhouette outside her window, she cranked off a round, then went back to sleep. Found the guy dead under her window the next morning.
In about 1997, our legislature reinforced the right of self defense when car jackings became a popular past time with a certain segment of our citizenry, so they passed a "shoot the car jacker" law. In essence, it said that if you were in fear of your personal safety, not necessarily in fear for your life, that you could drop the little dweeb. Since, in this state, your automobile is considered an extension of your domicile, it only made sense. As a result, carjackings went way down, real quick.
I thought I was going to have to do that one day, but when I pulled my 1911 up, they saw it and booked. Glad as hell I didn't have to pull the trigger. The sound of that baby going off inside a car would have left me deaf in both ears for a day or too!! LOL
Anyway, that's how it is here.
John
A friend will post your bail. A good friend will be sitting next to you in the cell saying, "man that was fun!"
im trying to figure out why we need a legislative act to approve self defense.it seems reasonable that if you are attacked you defend yourself if able, submission should be a last , not first resort.
happiness is a warm gun, preferably preban
Those two pieces of legislation REINFORCED our right to protect ourselves. Depending on where you lived, and in some cases, who you were, or were related to, a district attorney could turn your rectal canal inside out if he wanted to if you should deign to defend yourself, your family, or someone else through use of deadly force.
A couple of judges had let bad guys go, and at the same time sentenced people for defending themselves against bad guys. That's why the legislation was passed.
And we know the root cause.
John
A friend will post your bail. A good friend will be sitting next to you in the cell saying, "man that was fun!"
the d.a. in manhattan (nyc) has decided not to prosecute religious ministers performing same sex marriage even though the state a.g has said it is against the law to solemnize a marriage when a marriage certificate cannot be issued. he feels(feelings again)that the courtroom is not a place for this issue to be resolved. yep the d.a. is now deciding which laws are enforcable and which arent, i guess he also decides who the law gets applied to.
this stuff pisses me off because it means people are not equal before the law
John
A friend will post your bail. A good friend will be sitting next to you in the cell saying, "man that was fun!"