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Highball
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You really need to understand just exactly WHY we are in the shape we are in today with the Second Amendment.
The only way to know is to know some history.....Take a few moments and read this,hmmm ? This has been the position of the NRA since I have been paying attention..about 40 years,now....
http://keepandbeararms.com/NRA/NFA.asp
NRA President's Testimony During Congressional Debate
of the National Firearms Act of 1934
Introduction by Angel Shamaya
Director@KeepAndBearArms.com
Transcript from U.S. Government Printing Office
March 4, 2004
Before you dig in to the full transcript, here's another statement the NRA's President made that day:
MR. FREDERICK: ... "I have never believed in the general practice of carrying weapons. I seldom carry one. ... I do not believe in the general promiscuous toting of guns. I think it should be sharply restricted and only under licenses" [emphasis added]
You'll find that section of his testimony on page 59, below.
http://keepandbeararms.com/NRA/NFA.asp
The only way to know is to know some history.....Take a few moments and read this,hmmm ? This has been the position of the NRA since I have been paying attention..about 40 years,now....
http://keepandbeararms.com/NRA/NFA.asp
NRA President's Testimony During Congressional Debate
of the National Firearms Act of 1934
Introduction by Angel Shamaya
Director@KeepAndBearArms.com
Transcript from U.S. Government Printing Office
March 4, 2004
Before you dig in to the full transcript, here's another statement the NRA's President made that day:
MR. FREDERICK: ... "I have never believed in the general practice of carrying weapons. I seldom carry one. ... I do not believe in the general promiscuous toting of guns. I think it should be sharply restricted and only under licenses" [emphasis added]
You'll find that section of his testimony on page 59, below.
http://keepandbeararms.com/NRA/NFA.asp
Comments
I realize you are trying to inform others about stupid stuff the NRA is doing/has done. I am sure you also realize that even if YOU don't believe in them,they ARE a huge roadblock. Even the anti's are intimidated by the NRA. All it will accomplish by trying to crumble the NRA is speed up the socialist agenda. I support the GOA also, and I do recognize the comprimises made in the past. But, the fact is,without the juggernaut presence of the NRA we would be MUCH farther down that slippery slope already. If the NRA is destroyed, better break out your shovels boys, because it will happen sooner than you think.[B)]
Quote "Somehow government decided that the Constitutional Bill of Rights has become the Bill of "Suggested" Rights and are to be rationed to the citizens as the power elite sees fit"
Foist it off upon your children.
Were it in my power with a stroke of the pen,say...I would disband the NRA.
They represent absolutely nothing to me except..."Peace in our time..".
I remain,respectfully,convinced that the optimum time to gain ground politically was 20-30 years ago..today about all decent people can do is fight a desperate delaying action.
Not for me.I will not fight in a rigged arena.I will watch from the bleachers..my fight is over.
When you lose the battle,and the enemy has used your money to become invincible..you will understand why I advocated withdrawing and allowing the inevitable to happen now....a total gun ban is the last,best hope for American freedom....
You can fall upon your sword if you choose.......[V]
I will not give up and hope it works out in the end.
The facts are that the NRA do more than ANY other group on our side, like it or not. I think they give in more than they should,but they do win a helluva lot more than they lose. Even their biggest critics cannot deny them that.Besides, the anti's love it when we don't unite, if we ALL united they would be done and they know it. I think they fear that more than the guns we own personally.[;)]
Quote "Somehow government decided that the Constitutional Bill of Rights has become the Bill of "Suggested" Rights and are to be rationed to the citizens as the power elite sees fit"
Well spoken,as usual.
However,one is either pro-gun control..or against gun control.This issue is black/white.
quote:Before you dig in to the full transcript, here's another statement the NRA's President made that day:
MR. FREDERICK: ... "I have never believed in the general practice of carrying weapons. I seldom carry one. ... I do not believe in the general promiscuous toting of guns. I think it should be sharply restricted and only under licenses" [emphasis added]
Make of it what you will..this is not and cannot be a friend of mine nor of the Second Amendment.
quote:1921/1928 series of Thompson sub machinesgus which were being marketed through dealers by Auto Ordnance with a list price of $200. All other domestic
As you are perfectly aware,Mark...list prices mean little to the street value of used guns.
Conservatism is not enough
Posted: March 30, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern
By Joseph Farah
C 2004 WorldNetDaily.com
Some people assume I am a conservative.
I've said it before and I'll say it, again: I am not a conservative.
I don't like the label "conservative." I reject the label. With all due
respect to my "conservative" friends, I find the description detestable,
extremely unflattering, simplistic and an insult.
Let me tell you why.
First of all, I am a journalist. I have spent my entire adult life in
the quest for truth. Unlike many of my colleagues in the press, I have
avoided political parties, organizations and associations that could
compromise my integrity.
Secondly, conservatives, by definition, seek to conserve something from
the past - institutions, cultural mores, values, political beliefs,
traditions. In other words, they are constantly on defense - busy
holding on to turf rather than taking new ground.
From my experience, few conservatives have the stomach for fighting -
the kind of fighting it takes to restore real freedom to America.
It's not a time for timidity or compromise. It's not a time for
defensiveness and conciliation. It's time to take the offensive in this
struggle.
I'm not a "conservative" because I see precious little left in this
world worth conserving. Conservatives, from my experience, do not make
good freedom fighters. They seem to think a victory is holding back
attacks on liberty or minimizing them. They are forever on the defensive
- trying to conserve or preserve an apple that is rotten to the core.
What is the rotten apple? You can see it in the government schools that
dumb down American kids. You can see it in the universities that pervert
the concepts of knowledge and wisdom. You can see it in the
federalization and militarization of law enforcement. You can see it in
the proliferation of non-constitutional government. You can see it in
the real "trickle-down economics" of confiscatory taxes. You can see it
in the unaccountable authorities which give us global treaties. You can
see it in the relentless attacks on marriage and the family. You can see
it in euthanasia, population control and the phony "right" to abortion
on demand. You can see it in the surrender of our national security.
Conservatives, it seems to me, only forestall the inevitable slide into
tyranny. I don't want to forestall it. I want to prevent it. I want to
reverse that slide. I want to restore the dream that was America.
Professor Friedrich von Hayek, author of "The Road to Serfdom," is a
hero to many conservatives. Yet, he, too, rejected the label - not only
for him, but for his mentor, professor Ludwig von Mises, as well.
"I cannot help smiling when I hear professor Mises described as a
conservative," he wrote. "Indeed, in this country and at this time, his
views may appeal to people of conservative minds. But when he began
advocating them, there was no conservative group which he could support.
There couldn't have been anything more revolutionary, more radical, than
his appeal for reliance on freedom. To me, professor Mises is and
remains, above all, a great radical, an intelligent and rational radical
but, nonetheless, a radical on the right lines."
I agree. That's what I want to be.
Was George Washington a conservative? No. He was a revolutionary. He is
known throughout the world - or was when people appreciated such
concepts - as the "father of freedom."
Today, those who stand for freedom, justice, the rule of law,
self-government and the moral principles of the Bible are not part of
"the establishment." We're the rebels. By the world's standards, we're
the renegades.
The founding fathers knew that even the best designed government
wouldn't work if the people were not righteous, moral and God-fearing -
if they didn't love liberty and cherish it.
To practice self-government again, we must have a people capable of
self-government.
It takes courage to stand in the gap, to man the barricades, to say
"enough is enough" - and mean it. It takes more than a "conservative"
vision to lead the way back to freedom.
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"If there must be trouble let it be in my day, that my child may have peace" -Thomas Paine
If the people have become so apathetic that they will not vote out all the liberal scum (republican and democrat alike), the only solution is Constitutional Convention II the sequel. Let's get it right this time.