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California Concealed Weapons Laws

DB CooperDB Cooper Member Posts: 89 ✭✭
edited December 2004 in Gun Rights and Constitutional Law
i know i should look up the info i am about to ask for but it is very confusing. maybe some of you can help. there are "concealed weapons" laws in california so does that mean i can walk around the streets with a NON-concealed weapon and it is legal ? can i walk around with a gun in a holster like a police officer ? can that weapon be loaded ?
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  • gunphreakgunphreak Member Posts: 1,791 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Traveler's Guide of the Firearm Laws of the Fifty States has this to say concerning the Socialist Republik of Kalifornistan:

    Open Carry: Prohibited in any incorporated area; carry in rural areas is legitimate.
    Concealed Carry: Restrictive licensing procedure. No reciprocity for out-of-state permits.
    Firearm law uniformity: Preemption law. Localities may not regulate the licensing or registration of firearms. Other areas of regulation may however exist.

    This is as of 11 OCT 2003.

    Death to Tyrants!!!
    Lev 26:14-39

    Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.

    Luke 22:36.
    "Followers of Christ, be armed."
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  • WoundedWolfWoundedWolf Member Posts: 1,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Also be aware, if you are transporting your firearm in a motor vehicle in Kalifornia it MUST be UNLOADED and LOCKED in a container separate from the ammunition (a car trunk is considered to be a locked container). Also all magazines must be unloaded otherwise they are considered a loaded firearm.

    -WW

    "...That the people have a right to keep and bear arms; that a well-regulated militia, composed of the body of the people trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defence of a free state."

    -The Debates in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Virginia, on the Adoption of the Federal Constitution. June 27, 1788.
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  • DB CooperDB Cooper Member Posts: 89 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    the only people who dont carry guns in california are the law abiding citizens. the dumbest question i have ever heard a cop ask a person is "why do you need to carry gun?" keep in mind the cop asks this question wearing a bullet-proof vest and carrying a gun, but he cant for the life of him understand why YOU need one.
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  • gunphreakgunphreak Member Posts: 1,791 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    You have my sympathy, badwrench.

    Death to Tyrants!!!
    Lev 26:14-39

    Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.

    Luke 22:36.
    "Followers of Christ, be armed."
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  • gonzo1510gonzo1510 Member Posts: 751 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Everyone here has pretty much gotten it right... I am an armored car guard and am allowed exposed carry to and from work. However, It would seem that the California Highway Patrol does not teach this to their police recruits... I was pulled over a few years ago for a minor traffic infraction. I informed the officer of my occupation and the location of my weapon. She wanted to charge me with carrying a concealed weapon and other weapons charges... I was wearing a pancake holster, my duty belt was in the back seat. The only thing that saved me from that headache was the fact that I knew the penal codes that allow me to do so and the fact that she had a copy of the penal code book with her. Needless to say, I was relieved that I knew what I was talking about. I think she was bitter about the whole thing. I still got the ticket by the way. (for those of you waiting in suspense) The best thing would be for you to either call or email the attorney general or just check out the state website.
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  • DefenderDefender Member Posts: 1,772 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    If every gun owner called his assembly members and Gov. Girlyman we'd have concealed carry. Instead everyone asumes it won't work. I lobbied conceaked carry in Arizona for 14 years until we passed it. The thing got passed when the gun owners started calling. Gun owners should help but they don't.

    We are on a roll with gun freedom and its time to make demands!

    Defender
    Private investigator licensed in AZ & CA that specializes in self defense cases.
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  • JamesRKJamesRK Member Posts: 25,670 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Check http://www.packing.org
    The road to hell is paved with COMPROMISE.
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  • DB CooperDB Cooper Member Posts: 89 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    i live in los angeles county. what do you think my chances of getting a concealed weapons permit would be ? I have never been arrested, I have never even gotten a traffic ticket. I thought i heard one time that in the whole county they had issued about 20 permits and most of those went to judges.
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  • gunphreakgunphreak Member Posts: 1,791 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Unless you are politically connected, you have a better chance of winning the lottery without actually buying a ticket.

    Death to Tyrants!!!
    Lev 26:14-39

    Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.

    Luke 22:36.
    "Followers of Christ, be armed."
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  • IwannaccwIwannaccw Member Posts: 6 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Does anyone know of any groups or organizations seriously pushing for california to become a shall-issue state?

    jhk
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  • DefenderDefender Member Posts: 1,772 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Everyone wrongly feels they will be defeated before they start. CCW permits have to be taken away from the police Chiefs and given to the agency that licenses firearm instructors, PI's and security guards.

    Someone with enough balls has to write a bill similar to Arizona's CCW program and start pushing it in the state assembly. You can't win if you don't play!

    Defender
    Private investigator licensed in AZ & CA that specializes in self defense cases.
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  • gonzo1510gonzo1510 Member Posts: 751 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I called the Norwalk station of the L.A. County Sheriff's Department. I asked for an application for a CCW. I was asked why I wanted it. After I replied, I was told that I would not get it since Sheriff Baca only issues so many per year. Same went for Chief bratton of the Los Angeles Police Department. The only County in southern California who issues are Orange county and San Bernardino.

    I want to start a petition on this matter and see how far we can go with this. while we're at it I think we should let the local sheriffs and chiefs like baca and Bratton know that we are here and we want them to issue us the CCW's that they give to their friends like John Miller who was not only given a CCW but he was given a city owned firearm. Or to all of the well to do residents who contribute heavily to Sheriff Baca's re-election bid. Especially to Baca, since he has to be elected. if he does not want to listen to the will of the residents that he so desires to serve, then he should not in office.

    Who's with me and sign the petition once I get it started?
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  • Salvage33Salvage33 Member Posts: 1,182 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    If I lived there, I'd sign it! In fact, I would march in protest in front of the Sheriff's office with a sign that says that the sheriff is denying me my constitutional rights. That would stir up something, anyway. Of course, the press would brand me a gun waving lunatic, but what the hell, I've been called a lot worse! LOL

    John


    The original point and click interface was made by Smith & Wesson
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  • gonzo1510gonzo1510 Member Posts: 751 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Salvage33, You just made my christmas card list.....[:D]
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  • tr foxtr fox Member Posts: 13,856
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Iwannaccw
    Does anyone know of any groups or organizations seriously pushing for california to become a shall-issue state?

    jhk


    Why do you want to know?

    Quote "Somehow government decided that the Constitutional Bill of Rights has become the Bill of "Suggested" Rights and are to be rationed to the citizens as the power elite sees fit"
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  • DB CooperDB Cooper Member Posts: 89 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    i live in los angeles county. i am with you. do you have some contact information to email or call these people ?
    i like it when a cop asks someone why they need a gun as they wear a bullet proof vest and carry a gun. does that smell like hypocrisy ?
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  • tr foxtr fox Member Posts: 13,856
    edited November -1
    I love it when someone asks in regards to why I need a gun they ask "Just how many times in your life have you needed a gun to defend your family?". They are trying to prove a point about how since I have never needed a gun in the past it is almost a sure thing I will never need a gun in the future to protect my family.

    I counter by asking them how many times have they had to use the fire insurance that they have paid to maintain on their property (house, etc) in the past and will pay to maintain in the future. With very few and rare exceptions they have to answer that they have NEVER had to use their fire insurance.

    so at that point I admit I have never had to have a gun to protect my family (I don't get into my past and present job activities, I just focus on non-job related gun needs so as not to complicate the argument). But I add that as both of us being reasonable people wanting to plan and prepare for the unexpected and unpredicateable, they will undoubately keep their fire insurance (as will I) and I will keep my gun.

    That usually wins the argument for me.

    Quote "Somehow government decided that the Constitutional Bill of Rights has become the Bill of "Suggested" Rights and are to be rationed to the citizens as the power elite sees fit"
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  • James AyersJames Ayers Member Posts: 1,598 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I got my CCW in Butte county in 1974 and it was only for Butte county. I don't want Ca. as a "shall issue" state.[}:)][}:)][}:)][:D]

    On your mark-get set- go away!!
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  • IwannaccwIwannaccw Member Posts: 6 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I would sign a petition encouraging the issuance of CCW in LA or LA county. Since County Measure A was defeated and both Bratton and Baca are on complaining of their manpower shortages, this could be a good time to start.

    I like the fire insurance analogy.

    jhk
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  • wyo. rangerwyo. ranger Member Posts: 7 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    going thru Ca. When I travel thru Ca. pulling a 5th wheel I store
    a number of arms in the Trl. I have never been sure how legal that
    is. What is the law in Ca. on arms stored in a Trl. in transit?
    Wyo. Ranger[8][8]
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  • James AyersJames Ayers Member Posts: 1,598 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    [8D]A handgun transported in Ca. (unless you have Ca, CCW) must be UNLOADED in a locked container without ammo in same compartment,unless it's (ammo) locked in ANOTHER container, (safe/glovebox/trunk :etc,etc,etc [:D]

    On your mark-get set- go away!!
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  • IwannaccwIwannaccw Member Posts: 6 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Does anyone know how or who could generate a petition in support of making California a shall-issue state?

    jhk
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  • Salvage33Salvage33 Member Posts: 1,182 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I would think anyone could start a petition drive to put ANYTHING on the ballot. However, lots of coordination would be required in a state the size of Kalifornistan, so that you could get a large number of signatures (there should be a minimum number required by state law). And of course, a way to get POSITIVE publicity would be enormously helpful.

    Perhaps a coordinated effort by the various gun/shooting clubs, hunting lodges, and gun shop/dealers would help. You might also try contacting the NRA, NSSF, and GOA for any assistance/input that would help the subjects of Kalifornistan regain their independence.

    John


    A penny saved is a congressional oversight!
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  • CELTIC317CELTIC317 Member Posts: 136 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    BACK IN 1979 WHEN I WAS STATIONED IN SAN DIEGO WE WENT OUT IN THE DESSERT TO TARGET PRACTICE WHEN WE WERE DONR WE PUT ALL THE GUNS IN THE TRUNK UNLOADED WITH ACTIONS OPEN.UZI 30 CARBINE NUMEROUS PISTOLS STREET SWEEPERS ETC. WE WERE PULLED OVER AFTER 1/4 MILE DOWN THE ROAD. I WAS TOLD TO CARRY MY PISTOL ON THE DASH UNLOADED! THAT WE TECHNICALLY WERE VIOLATING THE LAW BY HAVING THEM IN THE TRUNK BECAUSE THEY WERE CONCEALED!WIERD STATE! I MOVED BACK TO MICHIGAN..WE HAVE MUST ISSUE CCW LAW HERE
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  • gonzo1510gonzo1510 Member Posts: 751 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    IWANNACCW I am trying to start a petition at this time. I have contacted the usual organizations with only the C.R.P.A responding, I have also contacted my local rep who it turns out is anti gun. Savage33 actually had a good idea. Why not get as many gun owners as we can on a specific day to go to their local police and sheriff's station and ask for ccw applications all at once? That certainly would get their attention. I certainly will be writing to the major gun makers and to the big names of the industry to try to help in any way they can. I suppose trying to reach out to the media on that day is too ambitious isn't it ? If anyone has Ideas ... let me know ... let's how far we can go with this. I am serious about this.. I hope you are too?
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  • Spawn_XSpawn_X Member Posts: 1 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I live in Los Angeles County, I'm all for signing the petition gonzo mentioned. email me or post back with more info if something is happening...
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