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Petition for Ca CCW status change
gonzo1510
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I was wondering , is there anyone who can tell me who or where I can go to start a petition to change California from a "discretionary issue" to a Shall Issuse state for CCW's? I don't know if anyone else has tried this or not but I would like to try.
I cannot stand idly by while I gripe,rant,and rave about the state gun laws and do nothing about it. I know that I will be told to contact my local congress person. Well it turns out that I have a hard core liberal for a rep. He won his seat after a hard fought election with himself. The only person who will evern talk to me is Mark Ridley Thomas who wanted to tax the hell out of every round of ammunition whether completed or not. Anyhow I would like to start a petition on this issue. anything you can come up with will be very helpful. thanks
I cannot stand idly by while I gripe,rant,and rave about the state gun laws and do nothing about it. I know that I will be told to contact my local congress person. Well it turns out that I have a hard core liberal for a rep. He won his seat after a hard fought election with himself. The only person who will evern talk to me is Mark Ridley Thomas who wanted to tax the hell out of every round of ammunition whether completed or not. Anyhow I would like to start a petition on this issue. anything you can come up with will be very helpful. thanks
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You don't need no congress person, especially since you know they will not be any help. There are 2 ways to start. Either write a whole new law, or take the old one and change the wording to read "shall issue" Then get thousands of signatures and have it put on the ballet. Got to do it in a timely manner, and make sure you have about double the number of signatures required. (not sure of how many it takes there) Might want to contact the NRA or any local gun advocates group, and see if they have something in the works, or any ideas.
To make it state wide, you would have to have a law passed, that would make it illegal to make any (city, town, county, etc) law which is more restrictive than state or federal law. We did that here in Colorado, and Denver has overturned that law. Lot of good it did to vote it in. NOT
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We could also cure the evils that currently exist like making the permits firearms specific and qualification for each firearm carried. We'd have to strip cities and counties of any powers to regulate the permits or the people holding them in any way.
We will need an Army of qualified folks to obtain enough valid signatures. After that we need to pay for an election campaign and professionally made commercials and ads to get the word out everwhere but San Francisco and LA where the wrong people will be reminded to vote against us.
We'd have to figure out where to get big donors and endorsements from respected high profile California citizens and celebrities. A paid public relations professional to oversee the campaign is a must.
I'd agree to help but it can't be a halfhearted effort. We must get every gun rights outfit involved. We'd also get help from security folks, PIs like me and the licensed firearm trainers that will make a pile of cash once everything is in place.
Most of all we'd have to get all of our voters to the polls. My favorite line is vote for the "Public Protection Act" to repeal the law that protects murderers, rapists and robbers. Let's repeal the "California Mugger Protection Act" that bars the carrying of concealed weapons by law-abiding citizens.
Defender
Private investigator licensed in AZ & CA that specializes in self defense cases.
"public protection act"
I like that. [:D]
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Remember Bush signed the right to carry legislation in Texas. I suspect he'd sign again as President.
I'd like nothing more than run an office full time funded by donations to make this happen. Does anyone want to write a few checks to make this happen?
Defender
Private investigator licensed in AZ & CA that specializes in self defense cases.
It seems to me that they would benefit greatly from the sales of their products if the people of this state are allowed to carry concealed. If you can point me in the right direction, I would greatly appreciate it.
Gonzo.
Thanks
Here is a link to a thread that shows some of the GB members that live there. You might contact them and see what they think about it. Don't know if any of this would help. But hopefully it won't hurt. The more people that get involved, the better the chances.
http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=76234
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This effort only has to start with one committed person. I'd contact the moving force behind a California prop measure that won for advice on procedure.
Get help writing the prop from my friend Bob Dowlut, General Counsel for the NRA. He will make sure it will avoid the pitfalls others have had in the process. It's important for this prop to give full CCW reciprosity to every other state to get support and cash from outside California.
Build a web site and get everyone and anyone to get the word out via e-mail web links shows along with clear instructions on how to circulate or sigh petitions.
Then you need money to get office space, hire a staff of full time people and unpaid helpers. Fund razing events with Celebes like Tom Seleck, Lou Farignio, Marty Kove, Joe Montagna, Steven Sagal and the folks from the Hollywood Celebrity Shoot (spelling jail for me!). My friend Ted Nugent is from Michigan but I know he'd help. I have loads of friend who are gun industry writers like Mas Ayoob, Phil Spamgenberger, Wiley Clapp, Jan Liberal, Jim Wilson who'd come out in a flash for this. Dinners@ $500.00 per plate and raffles help a lot.
Don't count on any real money to come from the gun industry folks outside of those feeding our military because they have been depressed of late. Of course we need to strong-arm the few that have gotten lots of orders from the military for the Iraq and Terror Wars. The ammunition companies have some real bucks now.
You need a full time director who has done this kind of thing before and won his issues. Radio talk shows are a must and you need someone with a great voice who's done that many times before. I could do this with Armed and Female author Paxton Quigley and Mas Ayoob. I know just the right shows that would bring donations and help.
If I got a one year contract so I could pay my rent etc. I'd do it. After that we'd know where we are at. I'd raise enough for the staff, ooffice help etc.
Defender
Private investigator licensed in AZ & CA that specializes in self defense cases.
Who better to protect the people than the people themselves.
Mr. magic
Good luck
I'd love to see the outcome because if you can get it to pass there, we may be able to get it to pass here in Illinois.
Good luck
It would take a massive publicity and education effort because the DemocRAT politicians are world class gun haters. You can't get a voter's prop on the ballot in Illinois like other states.
Defender
Private investigator licensed in AZ & CA that specializes in self defense cases.
jhk
For now,
Mr Magic
GOOD luck to you.
MrMagic,
I think making noise IS what we want. Albeit, some ways might be better than others. But making noise is what has gotten us into the state we are in. The WRONG people have been making noise, and we kept (relatively) quite. Now WE need to make as much noise as we can, to try to reverse some of the unconstitutional laws that have been written. Remember, the squeaky wheel gets the grease. MAKE SOME NOISE.
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Defender
Private investigator licensed in AZ & CA that specializes in self defense cases.
"The ability for evil to triumph exists when good men do nothing."
Just to clear things up....when I said we dont want to make much noise. I was referring to media attention. As stated by gonzo, if media gets involved too heavily, we all know what happens. No matter how right you are, you always look bad after the media gets you. Yes! Lets stir it up. But I for one don't know what "the phone call" to my state rep should consist of. Yes, I would be scared to call. But only because I dont know what to say. What do we demand?
gotta get back to work
Mr Magic
You target talk radio, Fox News along with any and all conservative publications. The word gets out then you will get publicity from liberal media. Even a crap report of an effort to repeal a gun law will bring strong debate.
One of the problems we have is whenever the media wants someone to talk about gun laws the dumb * or not so dumb reporters contact the local gun stores. Most reporters just don't know who to call. The gun store owners can't debate their way out of a paper bag and always give really bad interviews. Gun store owners should be seen but not heard!
I have debated gun law issues for years and will start doing so soon in the Socialist Republic of Kalifornia. I have done this in Arizona for 20 years already.
Use the write your reps with their pre-formed letters from the NRA. Change the letter somewhat so yours does not look like its a form. When you call on the phone there is never a debate they just note the call and what you want. CALL CALL CALL!!!!!!!
Defender
Private investigator licensed in AZ & CA that specializes in self defense cases.
Quote "Somehow government decided that the Constitutional Bill of Rights has become the Bill of "Suggested" Rights and are to be rationed to the citizens as the power elite sees fit"
Irving.
"The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." Edmund Burke
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