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THE SHEEPLE ARE OUT TO PASTURE..

HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
This is not strictly about guns..however...it sums up nicely the position we are in....gun wise...

http://www.etherzone.com/2005/sees012805.shtml


THE SHEEPLE ARE OUT TO PASTURE
TOO COMFORTABLE TO FIGHT, TOO FEARFUL TO SPEAK

By: Dorothy Anne Seese



There are many people upset with what the US is doing in the world, in and to this nation, and not doing about the things that are the genuine concerns of government -- like protecting our national borders.

Every "paleoconservative" internet writer knows there are bunches of these people, some of them anxious to have a showdown with a renegade government running amok at taxpayer expense and meddling around the world. They write us. They tell us they are ready to lock 'n load. But they come by dozens, not by battalions.

The internet writers cover the entire spectrum of America's problems and the world's problem with America (although the world is not a good example they have a right to run their own lives as they see fit or do what the revolutionaries did in 1776 in America).

Since the Vietnam era, America has made a total reversal of what it once stood for and has joined the world of hedonists led by the elite, known and unknown, who comprise the "shadow government" ruling not only America but every other major nation on earth.

There are ruddy few "free" people alive today, including Americans. As to freedom itself, Americans above all have become too comfortable to fight the evils raging against them at taxpayer expense (yes, the American people are supporting the very leaders who are enslaving them) and they are too fearful to speak out as a unified group of dissidents who could make good on a threat to "throw the bums out."

The rest simply prefer to believe nothing is wrong when they know instinctively that things most surely aren't right.

The people feel too small and helpless, too fearful that government might do to them what it has done to individual dissidents who have attempted to fight for their constitutional rights ... they ended up in jail as an object lesson to anyone else who would stand up and fight the government alone. But what the government doesn't fear in individuals who can be put under the steamroller, it could never stop if they unified and became a force for American freedom.




The problem is, they can't find a single issue on which to unite. There's just enough freedom left in the USA to make people feel as if they are free, at least to a point (short of free speech or exercising the freedom to worship as they please or communicate without being surveilled). It's that phony freedom that has allowed the global elitists to convince Americans to vote them back into office, and continue their deconstruction of America. It's that lying, subversive tactic hiding behind a "good cause" that convinces most Americans that an attempted general housecleaning of our elected officials would land them all in jail or have their property seized, their children taken away and their jobs terminated, that keeps them in line. When the government can do the things they fear, and it can, has, and will continue to be able to do those things, then the people aren't free.

But what cannot be done by dozens can be done by millions. If the millions would wake up to what is going on. They should know something is wrong when their children come home from school unable to read or write in the seventh grade. They should suspect something is amiss when the government can take children out of homes and away from parents on the vaguest of excuses if those parents are "uncooperative" with the school agenda; and when judges order, in court, that a parent cannot instruct their children in the Christian faith when that faith disagrees with the political correctness of the gay agenda.

It's just holding onto a bare hope that things will set themselves right that keeps American sheeple in line. It's fear of the power of government to punish and destroy that keeps individuals and families in fear of stepping out of line.

Then our leaders want to spread our brand of "freedom" around the world. Indeed. They had our brand of freedom under Stalin, but he was a bit blatant about his dominion.

Americans need to learn the difference between "neoconservative" which is a liberal talking like a conservative or using certain terminology, and a true conservative, who believes in the very limited power of government, and that government officials serve at the pleasure of the people; the people do not live by the privileges granted by the government. Or at least that's the intent of the Constitution -- to limit the power of the federal government and give the people control over their leaders who are to represent the will of the people, not special interest groups with big moneybags to toss at cooperative leaders.

But if the people come to their senses and realize they've been had, could they unite in dissent or would we have worse than the French Revolution and blood in the streets? We'd surely have discomfort, insecurity, and loss of life. Patrick Henry is lauded for his "give me liberty or give me death" speech, but no one wants to step up and stand in his place against the present rulers who are running roughshod over the people with draconian laws and a system where martial law could be imposed instantly. We've had our trial runs, Waco being the most egregious, and Americans will not stand up to government and say "that's plain wrong."

One thing is obvious to any observant American, particularly those who lived in a far different American mindset forty or more years ago and who could depend on the Constitution to protect them. This isn't our America.

But as a nation, the people are too damned comfortable and too afraid to speak up as a united force and take back the power the Constitution gives them.

That is the inevitable course run by a nation that has progressively lost its faith in the power of God and placed it in the hands of mere mortals.

No wonder the elite want the Bible thrown out -- if we as a nation began to really believe and act on it once more, we'd be an indomitable force in the world. That would put the fear and the discomfort into the camp of the elitists.

Those who cower in fear now just don't realize what it is to be afraid of the One who holds the real power, and when they find out, it will be way too late.

Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and fatladymongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. (KJV)


God,Guts,& GunsHave we lost all 3 ??

Comments

  • tr foxtr fox Member Posts: 13,856
    edited November -1
    I like and agree with the below quote the most:


    Americans need to learn the difference between "neoconservative" which is a liberal talking like a conservative or using certain terminology, and a true conservative, who believes in the very limited power of government, and that government officials serve at the pleasure of the people; the people do not live by the privileges granted by the government. Or at least that's the intent of the Constitution -- to limit the power of the federal government and give the people control over their leaders who are to represent the will of the people, not special interest groups with big moneybags to toss at cooperative leaders.


    Quote "Somehow government decided that the Constitutional Bill of Rights has become the Bill of "Suggested" Rights and are to be rationed to the citizens as the power elite sees fit"
  • longhunterlonghunter Member Posts: 3,242
    edited November -1
    A powerful writing........and so true.....
  • pickenuppickenup Member Posts: 22,846 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:But as a nation, the people are too damned comfortable and too afraid to speak up as a united force and take back the power the Constitution gives them.


    YUP!!!

    The gene pool needs chlorine.
  • gunphreakgunphreak Member Posts: 1,791 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have nothing more to add to that.

    Death to Tyrants!!!
    Lev 26:14-39

    Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.

    Luke 22:36.
    "Followers of Christ, be armed."
  • Texas Gun RunnerTexas Gun Runner Member Posts: 37 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Revelation 21:8--But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and fatladymongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which bruneth with fire and brimstone; which is the second death. (KJV)

    Sorry, Highball, not trying to be too nitpicky, but if you're going to quote scripture and even put the translation it came from, let's quote it exactly. Thanks![:)]

    Rebellion to Tyrants is obedience to God--Thomas Jefferson
    The only way Governments can induce citizens to surrender their rights is convincing them that by doing so, they will gain a measure of safety in exchange.--Thomas Jefferson
  • Texas Gun RunnerTexas Gun Runner Member Posts: 37 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    My apologies, Highball, I didn't realize the forum changed scripture all on its own!

    Rebellion to Tyrants is obedience to God--Thomas Jefferson
    The only way Governments can induce citizens to surrender their rights is convincing them that by doing so, they will gain a measure of safety in exchange.--Thomas Jefferson
  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    [:D]
    Twern't me quoting scripture,anyway...That above was a cut 'n paste..written by a woman,no less !!

    They got more balls then men,nowadays.....
  • Shadow83Shadow83 Member Posts: 171 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by tr fox
    I like and agree with the below quote the most:

    Americans need to learn the difference between "neoconservative" which is a liberal talking like a conservative or using certain terminology, and a true conservative, who believes in the very limited power of government, and that government officials serve at the pleasure of the people; the people do not live by the privileges granted by the government. Or at least that's the intent of the Constitution -- to limit the power of the federal government and give the people control over their leaders who are to represent the will of the people, not special interest groups with big moneybags to toss at cooperative leaders.I have been confused about something for a while and this quote is a great example.

    Most everyone I know or have seen who support the current Bush regime are conservatives. According to the quote above (and a lot that I have read) a true conservative wants the Government's hands outta most everything and what they do have their paws in limited. But over the past 4 years I have witnessed some of the most extrememe abuses by the government ever. How do these two mesh? Doesn't the fact that Bush took power and made a decision to send our children to war outside the proper channels scream control abuse?

    And before the flag starts to wave and darts are thrown I want it known that this is a serious question. Maybe it's the pure scientific process of imperical evidence of the engineer in me that makes me question this, but it just doesn't make sense?!?!? A+B does NOT equal C[?]

    Shadow83
    Love My Country,
    Fear My Government
  • nomadictaonomadictao Member Posts: 1,310 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Shadow,
    For most Americans, political ideology does not follow a chain of reasoned beliefs, one building on another, rather it follows a more random thread based on historical tentions and conflicts.

    One would think that a concept like "big government" would mean the same to everyone, but it doesn't. The words "liberal" and "conservative" must be defiened within their historical contexs. What was a liberal in the English colonies in 1774 is not the same as a liberal in Mexico in 1865. The word "liberal" now-a-days means nothing unless you already have an idea of the point the writer is trying to make. There was a member of this forum who called GWB a liberal because he likes to spend tons of money. To say he is not correct is to just argue about semantics.

    However, I think I'm with you on your point that an unnecessary war is an abuse of government power that has effects at home an overseas. It could be consitered an fatal abuse of power because of its ultimate consiquenses and the sinister tactics and infringements on liberty the leaders use to make an unnecessary war possible.
  • jpwolfjpwolf Member Posts: 9,164
    edited November -1
    quote:Most everyone I know or have seen who support the current Bush regime are conservatives. According to the quote above (and a lot that I have read) a true conservative wants the Government's hands outta most everything and what they do have their paws in limited. But over the past 4 years I have witnessed some of the most extrememe abuses by the government ever. How do these two mesh?

    I know. I can't begin to understand why the libs hate him so much. He's been their most accomplished leader in over 60 years. They should love him! Maybe they are just pretending, or maybe the parties are about to swap platforms again. What a stupid game they play, but we are always the loser.

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    Before they can convince you that rights emanate from them (the government), they must first eliminate God. They are working 24/7 to accomplish this.

    "If there must be trouble let it be in my day, that my child may have peace" -Thomas Paine

    If the people have become so apathetic that they will not vote out all the liberal scum (republican and democrat alike), the only solution is Constitutional Convention II the sequel. Let's get it right this time.

    "If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsel or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands of those who feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you. May posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."
    - Samuel Adams
  • Shadow83Shadow83 Member Posts: 171 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by jpwolf
    quote:Most everyone I know or have seen who support the current Bush regime are conservatives. According to the quote above (and a lot that I have read) a true conservative wants the Government's hands outta most everything and what they do have their paws in limited. But over the past 4 years I have witnessed some of the most extrememe abuses by the government ever. How do these two mesh?

    I know. I can't begin to understand why the libs hate him so much. He's been their most accomplished leader in over 60 years. They should love him! Maybe they are just pretending, or maybe the parties are about to swap platforms again. What a stupid game they play, but we are always the loser.Here's another paradox. I have been a liberal for over 18 years. I participate in many so called liberal organizations, clubs and travel in the circles. The majority of my friends would be labeled liberals and most likely socialists by many on this board. But in all my years I have experienced a liberal desire for government to control American's lives. In fact it has been to the contrary. 99% of all of the supported political situations have been for government to stop dictating to it's citizens and allow them the freedoms intended by our for-fathers. Just look at the most recent battles for freedom: a woman's right to choice, a person's right to love and marry who they wish, the right not to have a religion taught to our children within public education if it is not our choice, the right not to have our tax dollars finance any religion, etc.

    I can honestly say that every cause that I have seen which was championed by the so called "liberals" was for government to get out of our business. The only time I have seen a push for government involvement was in the combattance of discrimination. But then I have not been involved in every aspect. And I have never, and will never participate in gun anti-gun issues. This is about the only thing that I split from some of my associates on.

    I really don't think that most liberals and conservatives are that different. Maybe if we all started showing tolerance for our differences and took some time to get to know each other we would be able to trust and work out some differences. No one will ever agree 100%, but it could go a long way.


    Shadow83
    I have great love for humanity, it's the people I can't stand.
  • gunphreakgunphreak Member Posts: 1,791 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:I really don't think that most liberals and conservatives are that different. Maybe if we all started showing tolerance for our differences and took some time to get to know each other we would be able to trust and work out some differences. No one will ever agree 100%, but it could go a long way.


    Here is the primary difference between the two.

    A liberal wants a large state to control absolutely everything to make a society devoid of personal want, and which will supply everyone with exactly what it needs. Liberalism translates out to equality for all, regardless of what standard it is, which, because of that insertation of being devoid of wants, is a rather low standard. Freedom to them will allow them to do whatever they want, regardless of consequence or folly, simply because they are taken care of.

    A conservative derives freedom from greatness, both militarily and economically. They have a system driven by wants and do whatever they can to accomplish the hierarchy that comes with that greatness, and so far, the best way to accomplish this has been to instate a large central government to assure this occurs.

    So, once we look at the difference between the two, a liberal is an autocratic statist, while a conservative is a plutocratic statist, but the simple fact of the matter is that they are both statists, which is something I am neither of.

    And this phrase takes the cake:

    "Maybe if we all started showing tolerance for our differences and took some time to get to know each other we would be able to trust and work out some differences."

    It is because I have gotten to know them that I neither trust them, nor am I interested in working for compromise with them. Absolutely not!!!

    One big reason why I would rather stand on the side of the conservatives is because I want things. I would rather get them without begging for them.

    Another big reason is because, under their autocratic utopia, freedom is not freedom for everyone. In order for their envisionment of equality to work, it will require no one to ever be paid for their deeds. The landlord is rebuffed, the doctor sends no bill, the utility company supplies energy to homes with no expectation of payment, and groceries are given away. For all those producing, only to have their products taken without compensation, that person is a slave. I will never support this, neither in theory or practice because it is evil.



    Death to Tyrants!!!
    Lev 26:14-39

    Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.

    Luke 22:36.
    "Followers of Christ, be armed."
  • jack85jack85 Member Posts: 211 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    An illusion it will be, so large, so vast it will escape their
    perception.

    Those who will see it will be thought of as insane.

    We will create separate fronts to prevent them from seeing the
    connection between us.

    We will behave as if we are not connected to keep the illusion alive.
    Our goal will be accomplished one drop at a time so as to never bring
    suspicion upon ourselves. This will also prevent them from seeing
    the changes as they occur.

    We will focus their attention toward money and material goods
    so they many never connect with their inner self. We will distract
    them with fornication, external pleasures and games so they may
    never be one with the oneness of it all.

    We will use fear as our weapon.

    We will always hide our objective but carry out our plan.

    We will control all aspects of their lives and tell them what
    to think and how.

    We will guide them kindly and gently letting them think they
    are guiding themselves.

    We will accomplish this by using hate as our ally, anger as our friend.

    We will continue to prosper from their wars and their deaths.

    We shall repeat this over and over until our ultimate goal is
    accomplished.

    We will continue to make them live in fear and anger
    though images and sounds.

    We will always hide the divine truth from them, that we are all one.
    This they must never know!

    Drop by drop, drop by drop we will advance our goal.

    We will take over their land, resources and wealth to exercise total
    control over them.

    We will deceive them into accepting laws that will steal the little
    freedom they will have.

    We will establish a money system that will imprison them forever,
    keeping them and their children in debt.

    When they shall ban together, we shall accuse them of crimes and
    present a different story to the world for we shall own all the media.

    They will be helpless to do anything for they will have no weapons.

    Oh yes, so grand the illusion of freedom will be, that they will
    never know they are our slaves.
    [:)]
  • gunphreakgunphreak Member Posts: 1,791 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Looks like someone has been taking pages out of Walter Mitty's book.

    Good job.

    Death to Tyrants!!!
    Lev 26:14-39

    Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.

    Luke 22:36.
    "Followers of Christ, be armed."
  • Shadow83Shadow83 Member Posts: 171 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by gunphreak
    Here is the primary difference between the two.

    A liberal wants a large state to control absolutely everything to make a society devoid of personal want, and which will supply everyone with exactly what it needs. Liberalism translates out to equality for all, regardless of what standard it is, which, because of that insertation of being devoid of wants, is a rather low standard. Freedom to them will allow them to do whatever they want, regardless of consequence or folly, simply because they are taken care of.Well, under THIS stereotype either the term "liberal" has been widely misused or VERY few of those I have dealt with which are labeled "liberal' ARE truly liberal.

    People need labels for finite separation, otherwise they may start liking those which they blame for their current position and then have to accept responsibility for this position.

    Shadow83
    I have great love for humanity, it's the people I can't stand.
  • gunphreakgunphreak Member Posts: 1,791 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Whatever....

    Death to Tyrants!!!
    Lev 26:14-39

    Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.

    Luke 22:36.
    "Followers of Christ, be armed."
  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    I don't need a label for those loving big government/gay lifestyle/promiscuis/bigtax/spend/rules/regulations/open borders/noserings..ect....

    I just want no part of them..and wish they would leave ME the hell alone....
  • gunphreakgunphreak Member Posts: 1,791 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Liberals and conservatives are both really 'Statists". It should not matter that one is autocratic, while the other is plutocratic.

    Death to Tyrants!!!
    Lev 26:14-39

    Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.

    Luke 22:36.
    "Followers of Christ, be armed."
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