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Still bashing the NRA
WoundedWolf
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I been away for about 6-months and you guys are still NRA-bashing.
I still give the NRA my $35 a year (Except when I can renew for $25 at the gun show).
Anyway, sure, NRA is evil, but the convention is really cool (at least when I went to Reno in 2002). And I support their shooting events and their education program. I think NRA Foundation is a great organization.
Can't we all get along? I am a Republican, but I don't agree with deficit spending and amnesty for illegal aliens. But I am still a Republican.
No point to this post, just saying hi. [8D]
-WW
"...That the people have a right to keep and bear arms; that a well-regulated militia, composed of the body of the people trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defence of a free state."
-The Debates in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Virginia, on the Adoption of the Federal Constitution. June 27, 1788.
I still give the NRA my $35 a year (Except when I can renew for $25 at the gun show).
Anyway, sure, NRA is evil, but the convention is really cool (at least when I went to Reno in 2002). And I support their shooting events and their education program. I think NRA Foundation is a great organization.
Can't we all get along? I am a Republican, but I don't agree with deficit spending and amnesty for illegal aliens. But I am still a Republican.
No point to this post, just saying hi. [8D]
-WW
"...That the people have a right to keep and bear arms; that a well-regulated militia, composed of the body of the people trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defence of a free state."
-The Debates in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Virginia, on the Adoption of the Federal Constitution. June 27, 1788.
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Republican, eh ?
Sorta like Jackson setting up Neverland for kids...? After all, he only did a few kids..look at all the other kids enjoyments there....
Nra 'bashing' will continue until somebody at the head announces to the world that the Second Amendment has NOTHING TO DO with hunting..and that we will tolerate absolutely NO MORE GUN LAWS..that unless the government gets OUT of the gun law business..civil disobedience will be the standing orders of the day..and we in the NRA WILL come to the defense of ANY NRA member screwed over by any government agency on gun matters.
Reckon we will see that anytime soon ?? [:D]
I would be willing to let Jackson off the hook for sticking his hands down Macauley Culkin's pants if that means those two meanies in Florida get fried for killing those two little girls.
If Jackson = NRA, then meanies in Florida = Brady Campaign and Million Mom March.
-WW
"...That the people have a right to keep and bear arms; that a well-regulated militia, composed of the body of the people trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defence of a free state."
-The Debates in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Virginia, on the Adoption of the Federal Constitution. June 27, 1788.
The NRA also supported a law on so called "armor piercing" ammunition. It was made out of heavier materials than lead, and flew at higher velocities. Gotta protect the cops, you know?
To sum it up, the NRA supports hunters. They support banning the full autos because they serve a military purpose, and they support banning the armor piercing ammunition because it could be used to defend against a tyrranical government. If that day ever comes, you will find that the police are wearing body armor, and that the bullets the NRA allows you to have will be worthless.
I am by no means advocating violence against the government or anybody else, but I'm sure that the German Jews under Hitler's leadership would have preferred all of the full auto guns with armor piercing ammunition they could get.
-WW
"...That the people have a right to keep and bear arms; that a well-regulated militia, composed of the body of the people trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defence of a free state."
-The Debates in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Virginia, on the Adoption of the Federal Constitution. June 27, 1788.
I have to call a spade a spade. I don't know where you get your info, but it is way off the mark.
Your accessment of the NRA stance is incorrect when it comes to fully fully automatic weapons and armor piercing bullets.
1)The NRA has NEVER stated that they support a full automatic weapon ban!
2) the NRA NEVER supported any law banning armor piercing bullets ( or any kind of ammo for that matter.
3) the NRA isn't just for hunters----it is for ALL shooting sports!
4) what you know about ballistic vests couldn't fill a thimble! I wore one for years as a law enforcement officer. The ballistic vest for law enforcement is designed to stop up to a 44 mag (class III). Not one vest manufacturer will even state that a vest will stop ANY rifle round (except a .22 cal fired from a rifle). The term "armor piercing" round against law enforcement came from the democraps trying to pass legislation on rifle rounds and get MANY types of ammunition banned. I will tell you that as far as a round that will penetrate a ballistic vest goes, they are all "armor piercing" even as low as a .223 round. Any type of hunting round is considered aa "armor piercing round. So you theory of the NRA only supoorts hunters is down the drain. The NRA and law enforcement understand the capabilities of a ballistic vest and have tried to bring this armor piercing bullet issue to light to the senate and house.
5) you may feel big about yourself by bashing the NRA and that is fine ( I believe in freedom of speaeh) but for you to make people believe your line of BS you real should cut and paste actual NRA articles and papers that show the NRA supports such ridiculous legislation. I don't mean something you just type up there or some website that posts their opinion, but actual printed articles.
Until you and others like you start showing actual proof of your statements, I will consider those statements with the merit they deserve. NONE. I have had enough of such Feinstein/ Schumer/kennedy/ Clinton tactics and will call BULLbababooey at every available chance!
I have to call a spade a spade. I don't know where you get your info, but it is way off the mark.
Your accessment of the NRA stance is incorrect when it comes to fully fully automatic weapons and armor piercing bullets.
1)The NRA has NEVER stated that they support a full automatic weapon ban!
2) the NRA NEVER supported any law banning armor piercing bullets ( or any kind of ammo for that matter.
3) the NRA isn't just for hunters----it is for ALL shooting sports!
4) what you know about ballistic vests couldn't fill a thimble! I wore one for years as a law enforcement officer. The ballistic vest for law enforcement is designed to stop up to a 44 mag (class III). Not one vest manufacturer will even state that a vest will stop ANY rifle round (except a .22 cal fired from a rifle). The term "armor piercing" round against law enforcement came from the democraps trying to pass legislation on rifle rounds and get MANY types of ammunition banned. I will tell you that as far as a round that will penetrate a ballistic vest goes, they are all "armor piercing" even as low as a .223 round. Any type of hunting round is considered aa "armor piercing round. So you theory of the NRA only supoorts hunters is down the drain. The NRA and law enforcement understand the capabilities of a ballistic vest and have tried to bring this armor piercing bullet issue to light to the senate and house.
5) you may feel big about yourself by bashing the NRA and that is fine ( I believe in freedom of speaeh) but for you to make people believe your line of BS you real should cut and paste actual NRA articles and papers that show the NRA supports such ridiculous legislation. I don't mean something you just type up there or some website that posts their opinion, but actual printed articles.
Until you and others like you start showing actual proof of your statements, I will consider those statements with the merit they deserve. NONE. I have had enough of such Feinstein/ Schumer/kennedy/ Clinton tactics and will call BULLbababooey at every available chance!
They supported the FOPA '86, and did not strip out the prohibition on full autos. They would like everyone to forget it is there, but people like me saw it as a compromise for what they thought was must pass legislation. I see now, that they are not making that mistake, anymore.
Problem with that is that they are not waiting for a sunset on this, because there was none. The '94 Assault Weapon Ban was a step-up version of this, with only one major difference. Other legislature forbid the transfer of a full-auto without paying an unconstitutional tax, and to have the weapon registered, all in the same vile act. The combo made it even worse on law abiders who owned machine guns.
quote:2) the NRA NEVER supported any law banning armor piercing bullets ( or any kind of ammo for that matter.
They do support bans on steel or steel-jacketed ammo and teflon-coated conical pistol rounds. The more common name for them is "cop-killers". I think they've learned their lesson on this, simply because now, anti's are trying to label all sorts of ammo the same way, that in truth is not.
quote:3) the NRA isn't just for hunters----it is for ALL shooting sports!
It isn't now, because the lesson learned in '92, where Bush, Sr. is concerned, it was he that signed the '89 import ban. He wasn't reelected for many reasons, and this was one of them. Gun owning Repubs didn't like being turned on like that. He learned too late, not to do what he was polled to. And we cut off our noses to spite our faces, by letting Slick Willy weasel his way into the White House.
But you are right about one thing... it is for all shooting SPORTS. That does not include the Militia, for which it originally claimed to support 100 years ago. The closest it comes to that, now is through the Concealed Carry premise to which it does support, but you will never see the NRA actively point out that the American people may ever have to take their country back through force, since reasoning and petitioning isn't working.
quote:4) what you know about ballistic vests couldn't fill a thimble! I wore one for years as a law enforcement officer. The ballistic vest for law enforcement is designed to stop up to a 44 mag (class III). Not one vest manufacturer will even state that a vest will stop ANY rifle round (except a .22 cal fired from a rifle). The term "armor piercing" round against law enforcement came from the democraps trying to pass legislation on rifle rounds and get MANY types of ammunition banned. I will tell you that as far as a round that will penetrate a ballistic vest goes, they are all "armor piercing" even as low as a .223 round. Any type of hunting round is considered aa "armor piercing round. So you theory of the NRA only supoorts hunters is down the drain. The NRA and law enforcement understand the capabilities of a ballistic vest and have tried to bring this armor piercing bullet issue to light to the senate and house.
You assume too much, because I, too, know what body armor does and does not. It was a major concern of mine while deciding which to purchase. I am also aware of the fact that Teddy Kennedy tried passing an ammo ban last year that would have meant all rifle rounds (except .22's) would be (or could be) banned. I didn't even need to be in law enforcement or the NRA to know that, even though I am a member.
quote:5) you may feel big about yourself by bashing the NRA and that is fine ( I believe in freedom of speaeh) but for you to make people believe your line of BS you real should cut and paste actual NRA articles and papers that show the NRA supports such ridiculous legislation. I don't mean something you just type up there or some website that posts their opinion, but actual printed articles.
I most certainly do not feel "big" about bashing the NRA. I feel embarassed, sometimes, and that makes me feel quite the opposite, until I realize that some lessons, the NRA learned too late for us, and now, I want to see that (crap) get rolled back and thrown into the abyss, where it belongs.. and that is all.
In the April/May issue of America's 1st Freedom is an article in the Firearm Owner's Protection Act of 1986, and it fails to mention one word of the inserted Machine gun manufacture ban, but totes off all the benefits that surrounds the rest of it, which may have been good, but a full repeal of the Gun Kontrol Akt of '68 would have been better.
Death to Tyrants!!!
Lev 26:14-39
Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.
Luke 22:36.
"Followers of Christ, be armed."
---Begin NRA Comment
4. LIE Senator Ted Kennedy introduces legislation to make permanent the ban on "plastic firearms" that escape detection by magnetometers. Kennedy accuses NRA members of opposing the law with this outrageous slur: "If the NRA continues to oppose the law now, it will be fair to ask 'whose side are they on?' in the war on terrorism."
TRUTH Kennedy's legislation only keeps NRA-supported law in force! NRA helped write the 1988 bill that outlaws the manufacture, market or import of any firearm that can defeat airport security systems. That's why plastic guns don't exist. But rather than check the facts, the media indulge brazen grandstanding by a long-time Brady Campaign ally.
---End NRA comment
You say that I am misinformed about body armor. Maybe you're misinformed. Newer body armor (rarely used I admit) can contain ceramic and steel plates capable of stopping the .223, 7.62 x 39, and I've heard even 1 150 grain 30-06 shot. You mentioned level III body armor, but there is level IV, and there is the ceramic/steel plated one. Also check out http://keepandbeararms.org/information/XcIBViewItem.asp?ID=3643
As gunphreak pointed out, the FOPA of 1986, which the NRA brags about to this day, had the final prohibition on machineguns (all made after that date). The NRA also supported the watered down GCA of '68 so the worse bill wouldn't pass. That contained a machine gun law saying that you couldn't import them for sale to civilians, and it also contained a law saying you couldn't import the Walther model PPK (just to piss off James Bond fans, if my cynical side serves me). Also look up the NRA president's speech before congress on the NFA of '34. To save you the time, here is the link: http://www.keepandbeararms.com/NRA/NFA.htm
I feel gunphreak did a good job sticking up for me, but if you demand more "proof", then challenge me on one of my points in particular. If you don't have the January 2004 issue of American Rifleman, and still don't believe me, I'm sure somebody here will back me up, or somebody could scan it, and post it. Either way, it sounds like you're in denial.
I don't mean to offend you by the way. It's just that I did my research, and I don't like being considered ignorant.
All I know is that every years I read, hear and actually see the NRA do good things for our gun rights.
If the NRA was all powerful and didn't have to deal in the real world, I would fault them for every mistake I see them do. But in the real world, even an organization with the best of intentions can often appear to make stupid mistakes. But often times it comes out, years later, that under the pressure and circumstances that were in place at the time the "stupid"mistake was made, there was no better choice.
A long list of NRA supports of gun control was posted on Gun Broker..go dig it out yourself.
Better yet..educate yourself on the NRA...somewhere OFF the NRA propaganda web page.
The NRA has profited handsomely for many years, working hand in glove with the government...and the government has moved steadily towards total control of every facet of life.
I said the NRA has made mistakes it doesn't seem to be repeating. These facts go both ways, but that fact means they are responsible for getting us into these (crappy) laws through compromise, now, they can learn the lesson and get us out by no compromise.
The NRA isn't all bad, but they need to be playing the game cleaner and more aggressive (if such a thing can exist). Rather than blocking gun kontrol, they need to be countering it with pro-gun stuff.
Death to Tyrants!!!
Lev 26:14-39
Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.
Luke 22:36.
"Followers of Christ, be armed."
Death to Tyrants!!!
Lev 26:14-39
Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.
Luke 22:36.
"Followers of Christ, be armed."
20,000 gun laws have ensured that your rights are gone. Trying really hard to slow the next round of gun control is the final act of a coward.
That is absolute proof that those involved are afraid to walk into the street with a rifle...DEMANDING that freedom STOP being destroyed by empty suits.
Try to remember....the act that stopped King George of Brittian...was a rag-tag group of determined men....saying " ENOUGH "...in the only language tyrants recognise.
Down the road, that will be the choice yet again...history tells us so.
By getting out of the corrupt sleeze of the political process...you can help ensure that YOU could have a hand in the final outcome...instead of palming it off on your kids...because without constant pressure from gun people...the Congress would pass a gun ban within 5 years.....