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JPFO ALERT: THE END OF AMERICA
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ALERT FROM JEWS FOR THE PRESERVATION OF FIREARMS OWNERSHIP
America's Aggressive Civil Rights Organization
http://www.jpfo.org/
May 10, 2005
JPFO ALERT: THE END OF AMERICA - MAY 10, 2005
On Tuesday, May 10, 2005, America became a true police
state. Your U.S. senators voted -- unanimously, with no
discussion, and without even reading the bill -- to create
a national ID card.
The Real ID Act blackmails state governments into turning
their drivers licenses into a draconian tool of the federal
homeland security apparatus. If states refuse, their
citizens lose such "privileges" as being allowed to board
an airplane, enter a federal building, or apply for social
security. President Bush is expected to sign the bill
eagerly on Thursday.
In three years -- by May 2008 -- this Stalin-style internal
passport will be an American reality. But your government
will have _more_ control over you than Stalin ever dreamed
in his most violent, vicious, anti-freedom dreams. (See
links to the text of the law and articles about it at the
bottom of this article.)
But that's only the beginning.
The creator of the Real ID Act, Rep. James Sensenbrenner,
smiles and tells us that his Real ID Act is all about
"solving illegal immigration" or "preventing terrorists
from entering the country." This is one of the biggest of
the thousands of "Big Lies" we've heard from the tyrants in
Washington. The Real ID Act is about tracking and
controlling Americans. You. Me. Our children. Everybody.
In May 2008, barring a miracle, America as we once knew it
will be in ruins. It will be gone. And the rights of gun
owners will be among the first scheduled for destruction.
GUN OWNERS: PREPARE TO RESIST
Here's your future:
* You walk into a gun store, fill out your 4473, and show
your government ID just as you now do. But instead of
looking at your license and taking down some information,
the clerk runs the license (which is likely to contain a
radio-frequency ID chip) through a scanner. Your purchase
is instantly recorded in your _state_ drivers license
registry. The federal government isn't currently allowed to
keep a gun registry. But no problem; the Real ID act gives
them an open door into your state records.
* Complete information on every firearm you buy will be
instantly available to every police officer (and possibly
every government employee, store clerk, or computer hacker)
you ever encounter. You'll be an instant criminal suspect
every time you deal with someone who has access to the
database.
* Just as travelers are encouraged to get background checks
and give fingerprints to avoid some of the worst excesses
of TSA screening, gun owners will be encouraged to get
background checks and give whatever biometric ID the
Department of Homeland Security requires. This will be sold
as a "benefit," ensuring you'll never again experience an
"instant-check" delay. In fact, Congress, the ATF, or the
FBI might even "mandate" 5-day or 15-day delays for anyone
not enrolled in the "Trusted Firearms Buyer" program.
* The private purchase "loophole" will be closed, so that
all gun buyers must make trackable purchases. (The ultimate
goal is for _every_ purchase of every kind to be
trackable.)
* Buying ammo? The store scans your national ID card and --
bingo! -- your purchase is registered in the state
database.
* The federal government or state governments can now also
_effectively_ legislate limits on the amount or kind of
ammunition you're "allowed" to purchase. Try to buy more
and the database instantly rejects you.
* The federal government or state governments can now also
_effectively_ legislate limits on the number of guns you
may own. Try to buy more, and the database rejects you.
* Eventually -- after the federal government "discovers"
the obvious, that national ID won't stop either illegal
immigration or terrorism -- the old attack on "evil guns"
will resume. When they want your .50 BMG . they'll know just
where to find it (because the Real ID act says your home
address _must_ be revealed). When they want your evil
"scoped sniper rifle" (you know, the one you hunt deer
with), they'll know just how to get it. Ditto with you
"Saturday Night Special" or your "assault weapon."
* If you don't surrender your guns, well, then the
Department of Homeland Security will cut off your driving
"privilege," as well as your right to escape the growing
police state via plane. You'll be a prisoner in your own
home, in your own country. Or you'll be forced to function
as an outlaw, operating and living a precarious existence
beneath the government radar.
PARANOID? OR PAYING ATTENTION?
You say these projections are ridiculous? That we're
paranoid?
Well, frankly, if the Real ID Act doesn't make you
paranoid, you're not paying enough attention. We ask you to
consider the long-term impact of a few other acts of
government.
In the 1930s, Congress promised us that our social security
numbers would never, absolutely never, be used for
identification. Now, they're the key to everything about us
-- and without a social security number you won't get a
drivers license and you won't even be "allowed" to drive
after May 2008.
In 1913, Congress and the media swore to us that the brand-
new income tax would only affect the rich. Well, how rich
do you feel after paying 40 percent of your income (or
more!) in taxes?
This is the way government works. They've even got a term
for it: mission creep. And there is no creepier mission
than the mission the federal government has currently set
itself: to track everyone, everywhere, and to control what
we do.
We warned you in _The State vs. the People_
(http://www.jpfo.org/tsvtp.htm ) that this was coming. That
book is still relevant, still a good read, and still filled
with information about what our future will be like in this
new American police state.
Be forewarned. Be aware.
REAL ID: IT'S THE LAW AND IT'S CRIMINAL
Please take a moment to go to this site:
http://www.rebelfirerock.com/home.html. Click on the link
that leads to the song "Justice Day." Listen to the music
or read the lyrics. Here's the opening of the song:
You're the boot.
Stomping on the human face forever.
You're the eye.
Staring down on everyone and ever seeing all.
You're the lie.
Twisting all our minds into your fatladydom.
You are Death.
You are war.
You are slavery.
You're the law.
You're the law.
You're the LAW!
George Orwell was the first to describe totalitarianism as
a "boot stomping on the human face forever." But in
Orwell's day Americans would have had a hard time believing
that the law -- the good old, all-American legislature --
all those smiling senators and "representatives" would be
the ones to plant their iron heels in our faces. Back in
those innocent days, we imagined tyranny would come from
_outside_.
Well, tyranny is here. And it's a gift from the very people
we so trustingly put into office.
Tyranny is THE LAW.
Is this a way to run a country? Tacking something as
onerous as national ID onto a must-pass bill and making it
law without any debate? What does this say about people the
gun owners consider their friends? In the House, where the
bill containing the Real ID Act passed 368-58, only three
Republicans voted against it. Here's the final roll-call
vote so you can see how your own congressperson voted:
http://tinyurl.com/cr3bj )
In the Senate, not one person cared enough about freedom to
vote against it -- or even to demand that senators
_discuss_ it.
(The Real ID Act originally passed the House in February as
a standalone bill (H.R. 418) by a vote of 261-to-161. House
leaders, realizing national ID would have been in trouble
in the Senate, then added it to a must-pass military
appropriations bill in a cynical ploy to make it almost
impossible to fight national ID.)
Turning America into a full-fledged police state was just
business as usual to your representatives. And, just as
Adolf Hitler scrupulously followed German law while
committing his horrors, so your "representatives" and the
bureaucrats you face at the national-ID drivers license
bureau will also be following the law -- the Real ID law
that allows them to enslave you.
(To see what a real Bill of Rights leader would do, read
the novel _Hope_ by Aaron Zelman and L. Neil Smith:
http://www.jpfo.org/hope.htm .)
WHAT NEXT?
We have two choices now: Resist or submit.
More than 600 organizations, from the American Civil
Liberties Union to the National Governors Association,
opposed the bill. Even the American Association of Motor
Vehicle Administrators (which loves national ID and was
largely responsible for an earlier attempt at such
legislation nine years ago) criticized it.
We can expect lawsuits against national ID, including at
least one suit led by state governments.
However, nearly all the opposition from state governments
focuses on one area: They're upset because the federal
government didn't offer them extra money to enslave us. If
Congress bribes them with enough millions and billions,
they'll gladly sell our freedom.
Only one state, Montana, has so far absolutely refused to
cooperate with national ID. The Montana legislature passed
a law saying they would not go along. However, that will
mean that Montana residents are barred from flying without
extreme extra scrutiny or from applying for federal
benefits because their licenses will be "non-compliant."
Although we applaud the courageous Montana legislators, no
doubt we'll soon hear many Montanans demanding the
"privilege" of having a real national ID card.
Ultimately, real resistance is up to us, as individuals.
There are certain courses of action JPFO cannot recommend.
But every freedom lover should be pleased if all the people
who had a hand in creating Real ID act lost their jobs --
soon. And those individuals who truly value their (and
their children's) futures should seriously consider making
national ID their line in the sand.
We have already heard from many people saying they will
drive without a license rather than submit to a license
that has become a Stalinist control document. We just hope
their resolve stays equally strong when they face a world
in which it's impossible to buy, sell, retire, travel -- or
buy a gun -- without national ID.
We ask you to remember men like Alexandr Solzhenitzyn
http://tinyurl.com/at9yn ) and Natan Sharansky
http://tinyurl.com/chwet ). Both stood up and boldly
opposed a tyrannical regime in the Soviet Union. Both
risked their lives. Both suffered horribly for their
resistance and their protests. But eventually, they
triumphed -- and the Soviet Union crumbled.
We are in need of such people, and such courage, today. We
cannot wait for _someone else_ to stand up and show that
kind of integrity.
We must become the kind of people we admire if we are ever
again to live in a nation we can trust.
G-d help us if we fail.*
- The Liberty Crew
ABOUT THE REAL ID ACT
Text of the law:
http://tinyurl.com/3qdv4
"No Real Debate for Real ID"
http://tinyurl.com/b4xqv
"Last Chance to Stop National ID"
http://www.antiwar.com/paul/?articleid=5887 . (written before
Senate passage)
* We spell G-d this way because in Judaism it is considered
a sign of respect. We spell out the name of the Creator
only in sacred settings.
===========================================================
JPFO mirror site: http://www.jpfo.net
================================================================
Original Material in JPFO ALERTS is Copyright 2005 JPFO, Inc.
Permission is granted to reproduce this alert in full, so long
as the following JPFO contact information is included:
Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership
PO Box 270143
Hartford, Wisconsin 53027
Phone: 1-262-673-9745
Order line: 1-800-869-1884 (toll-free!)
Fax: 1-262-673-9746
Web: http://www.jpfo.org/
America's Aggressive Civil Rights Organization
http://www.jpfo.org/
May 10, 2005
JPFO ALERT: THE END OF AMERICA - MAY 10, 2005
On Tuesday, May 10, 2005, America became a true police
state. Your U.S. senators voted -- unanimously, with no
discussion, and without even reading the bill -- to create
a national ID card.
The Real ID Act blackmails state governments into turning
their drivers licenses into a draconian tool of the federal
homeland security apparatus. If states refuse, their
citizens lose such "privileges" as being allowed to board
an airplane, enter a federal building, or apply for social
security. President Bush is expected to sign the bill
eagerly on Thursday.
In three years -- by May 2008 -- this Stalin-style internal
passport will be an American reality. But your government
will have _more_ control over you than Stalin ever dreamed
in his most violent, vicious, anti-freedom dreams. (See
links to the text of the law and articles about it at the
bottom of this article.)
But that's only the beginning.
The creator of the Real ID Act, Rep. James Sensenbrenner,
smiles and tells us that his Real ID Act is all about
"solving illegal immigration" or "preventing terrorists
from entering the country." This is one of the biggest of
the thousands of "Big Lies" we've heard from the tyrants in
Washington. The Real ID Act is about tracking and
controlling Americans. You. Me. Our children. Everybody.
In May 2008, barring a miracle, America as we once knew it
will be in ruins. It will be gone. And the rights of gun
owners will be among the first scheduled for destruction.
GUN OWNERS: PREPARE TO RESIST
Here's your future:
* You walk into a gun store, fill out your 4473, and show
your government ID just as you now do. But instead of
looking at your license and taking down some information,
the clerk runs the license (which is likely to contain a
radio-frequency ID chip) through a scanner. Your purchase
is instantly recorded in your _state_ drivers license
registry. The federal government isn't currently allowed to
keep a gun registry. But no problem; the Real ID act gives
them an open door into your state records.
* Complete information on every firearm you buy will be
instantly available to every police officer (and possibly
every government employee, store clerk, or computer hacker)
you ever encounter. You'll be an instant criminal suspect
every time you deal with someone who has access to the
database.
* Just as travelers are encouraged to get background checks
and give fingerprints to avoid some of the worst excesses
of TSA screening, gun owners will be encouraged to get
background checks and give whatever biometric ID the
Department of Homeland Security requires. This will be sold
as a "benefit," ensuring you'll never again experience an
"instant-check" delay. In fact, Congress, the ATF, or the
FBI might even "mandate" 5-day or 15-day delays for anyone
not enrolled in the "Trusted Firearms Buyer" program.
* The private purchase "loophole" will be closed, so that
all gun buyers must make trackable purchases. (The ultimate
goal is for _every_ purchase of every kind to be
trackable.)
* Buying ammo? The store scans your national ID card and --
bingo! -- your purchase is registered in the state
database.
* The federal government or state governments can now also
_effectively_ legislate limits on the amount or kind of
ammunition you're "allowed" to purchase. Try to buy more
and the database instantly rejects you.
* The federal government or state governments can now also
_effectively_ legislate limits on the number of guns you
may own. Try to buy more, and the database rejects you.
* Eventually -- after the federal government "discovers"
the obvious, that national ID won't stop either illegal
immigration or terrorism -- the old attack on "evil guns"
will resume. When they want your .50 BMG . they'll know just
where to find it (because the Real ID act says your home
address _must_ be revealed). When they want your evil
"scoped sniper rifle" (you know, the one you hunt deer
with), they'll know just how to get it. Ditto with you
"Saturday Night Special" or your "assault weapon."
* If you don't surrender your guns, well, then the
Department of Homeland Security will cut off your driving
"privilege," as well as your right to escape the growing
police state via plane. You'll be a prisoner in your own
home, in your own country. Or you'll be forced to function
as an outlaw, operating and living a precarious existence
beneath the government radar.
PARANOID? OR PAYING ATTENTION?
You say these projections are ridiculous? That we're
paranoid?
Well, frankly, if the Real ID Act doesn't make you
paranoid, you're not paying enough attention. We ask you to
consider the long-term impact of a few other acts of
government.
In the 1930s, Congress promised us that our social security
numbers would never, absolutely never, be used for
identification. Now, they're the key to everything about us
-- and without a social security number you won't get a
drivers license and you won't even be "allowed" to drive
after May 2008.
In 1913, Congress and the media swore to us that the brand-
new income tax would only affect the rich. Well, how rich
do you feel after paying 40 percent of your income (or
more!) in taxes?
This is the way government works. They've even got a term
for it: mission creep. And there is no creepier mission
than the mission the federal government has currently set
itself: to track everyone, everywhere, and to control what
we do.
We warned you in _The State vs. the People_
(http://www.jpfo.org/tsvtp.htm ) that this was coming. That
book is still relevant, still a good read, and still filled
with information about what our future will be like in this
new American police state.
Be forewarned. Be aware.
REAL ID: IT'S THE LAW AND IT'S CRIMINAL
Please take a moment to go to this site:
http://www.rebelfirerock.com/home.html. Click on the link
that leads to the song "Justice Day." Listen to the music
or read the lyrics. Here's the opening of the song:
You're the boot.
Stomping on the human face forever.
You're the eye.
Staring down on everyone and ever seeing all.
You're the lie.
Twisting all our minds into your fatladydom.
You are Death.
You are war.
You are slavery.
You're the law.
You're the law.
You're the LAW!
George Orwell was the first to describe totalitarianism as
a "boot stomping on the human face forever." But in
Orwell's day Americans would have had a hard time believing
that the law -- the good old, all-American legislature --
all those smiling senators and "representatives" would be
the ones to plant their iron heels in our faces. Back in
those innocent days, we imagined tyranny would come from
_outside_.
Well, tyranny is here. And it's a gift from the very people
we so trustingly put into office.
Tyranny is THE LAW.
Is this a way to run a country? Tacking something as
onerous as national ID onto a must-pass bill and making it
law without any debate? What does this say about people the
gun owners consider their friends? In the House, where the
bill containing the Real ID Act passed 368-58, only three
Republicans voted against it. Here's the final roll-call
vote so you can see how your own congressperson voted:
http://tinyurl.com/cr3bj )
In the Senate, not one person cared enough about freedom to
vote against it -- or even to demand that senators
_discuss_ it.
(The Real ID Act originally passed the House in February as
a standalone bill (H.R. 418) by a vote of 261-to-161. House
leaders, realizing national ID would have been in trouble
in the Senate, then added it to a must-pass military
appropriations bill in a cynical ploy to make it almost
impossible to fight national ID.)
Turning America into a full-fledged police state was just
business as usual to your representatives. And, just as
Adolf Hitler scrupulously followed German law while
committing his horrors, so your "representatives" and the
bureaucrats you face at the national-ID drivers license
bureau will also be following the law -- the Real ID law
that allows them to enslave you.
(To see what a real Bill of Rights leader would do, read
the novel _Hope_ by Aaron Zelman and L. Neil Smith:
http://www.jpfo.org/hope.htm .)
WHAT NEXT?
We have two choices now: Resist or submit.
More than 600 organizations, from the American Civil
Liberties Union to the National Governors Association,
opposed the bill. Even the American Association of Motor
Vehicle Administrators (which loves national ID and was
largely responsible for an earlier attempt at such
legislation nine years ago) criticized it.
We can expect lawsuits against national ID, including at
least one suit led by state governments.
However, nearly all the opposition from state governments
focuses on one area: They're upset because the federal
government didn't offer them extra money to enslave us. If
Congress bribes them with enough millions and billions,
they'll gladly sell our freedom.
Only one state, Montana, has so far absolutely refused to
cooperate with national ID. The Montana legislature passed
a law saying they would not go along. However, that will
mean that Montana residents are barred from flying without
extreme extra scrutiny or from applying for federal
benefits because their licenses will be "non-compliant."
Although we applaud the courageous Montana legislators, no
doubt we'll soon hear many Montanans demanding the
"privilege" of having a real national ID card.
Ultimately, real resistance is up to us, as individuals.
There are certain courses of action JPFO cannot recommend.
But every freedom lover should be pleased if all the people
who had a hand in creating Real ID act lost their jobs --
soon. And those individuals who truly value their (and
their children's) futures should seriously consider making
national ID their line in the sand.
We have already heard from many people saying they will
drive without a license rather than submit to a license
that has become a Stalinist control document. We just hope
their resolve stays equally strong when they face a world
in which it's impossible to buy, sell, retire, travel -- or
buy a gun -- without national ID.
We ask you to remember men like Alexandr Solzhenitzyn
http://tinyurl.com/at9yn ) and Natan Sharansky
http://tinyurl.com/chwet ). Both stood up and boldly
opposed a tyrannical regime in the Soviet Union. Both
risked their lives. Both suffered horribly for their
resistance and their protests. But eventually, they
triumphed -- and the Soviet Union crumbled.
We are in need of such people, and such courage, today. We
cannot wait for _someone else_ to stand up and show that
kind of integrity.
We must become the kind of people we admire if we are ever
again to live in a nation we can trust.
G-d help us if we fail.*
- The Liberty Crew
ABOUT THE REAL ID ACT
Text of the law:
http://tinyurl.com/3qdv4
"No Real Debate for Real ID"
http://tinyurl.com/b4xqv
"Last Chance to Stop National ID"
http://www.antiwar.com/paul/?articleid=5887 . (written before
Senate passage)
* We spell G-d this way because in Judaism it is considered
a sign of respect. We spell out the name of the Creator
only in sacred settings.
===========================================================
JPFO mirror site: http://www.jpfo.net
================================================================
Original Material in JPFO ALERTS is Copyright 2005 JPFO, Inc.
Permission is granted to reproduce this alert in full, so long
as the following JPFO contact information is included:
Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership
PO Box 270143
Hartford, Wisconsin 53027
Phone: 1-262-673-9745
Order line: 1-800-869-1884 (toll-free!)
Fax: 1-262-673-9746
Web: http://www.jpfo.org/
Comments
JPFO Life Member
www.jpfo.org
2. We demand equality of rights for our people.
3. We demand land and territory to feed our people.
4. Only members of the nation may be citizens of the State.
5. Non-citizens may live in on our land only as guests and must be subject to laws for aliens.
6. The right to vote on the State's government and legislation shall be enjoyed by the citizens of the State alone. We demand therefore that all official appointments, of whatever kind, in the states or in the smaller localities, shall be held by none but citizens.
We oppose the corrupting parliamentary custom of filling posts merely in accordance with party considerations, and without reference to character or abilities.
7. We demand that the State shall make it its primary duty to look after their own citizensIf it should prove impossible, foreign nationals (non-citizens) must be deported.
8. All immigration must be prevented.
9. All citizens shall have equal rights and duties.
10. It must be the first duty of every citizen to perform physical or mental work. The activities of the individual must not clash with the general interest, but must proceed within the framework of the community and be for the general good.
We demand therefore:
11. The abolition of incomes unearned by work.
The breaking of the slavery of interest.
12. In view of the enormous sacrifices of life and property demanded of a nation by any war, personal enrichment from war must be regarded as a crime against the nation. We demand therefore the ruthless confiscation of all war profits.
13. We demand the nationalization of all businesses which have been formed into corporations (trusts).
14. We demand profit-sharing in large industrial enterprises.
15. We demand the extensive development of insurance for old age.
16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a healthy middle class, the immediate communalizing of big department stores, and their lease at a cheap rate to small traders, and that the utmost consideration shall be shown to all small traders in the placing of State and municipal orders.
17. We demand a land reform suitable to our national requirements, the passing of a law for the expropriation of land for communal purposes without compensation; the abolition of ground rent, and the prohibition of all speculation in land. *
18. We demand the ruthless prosecution of those whose activities are injurious to the common interest. Common criminals, usurers, profiteers, etc., must be punished with death, whatever their creed or race.
19. We demand that Roman Law, which serves a materialistic world order, be replaced by a common law.
20. The State must consider a thorough reconstruction of our national system of education (with the aim of opening up to every able and hard-working citizens ability of higher education and of thus obtaining advancement). The curricula of all educational establishments must be brought into line with the requirements of practical life. The aim of the school must be to give the pupil, beginning with the first sign of intelligence, a grasp of the nation of the State (through the study of civic affairs). We demand the education of gifted children of poor parents, whatever their class or occupation, at the expense of the State.
21. The State must ensure that the nation's health standards are raised by protecting mothers and infants, by prohibiting child labor, by promoting physical strength through legislation providing for compulsory gymnastics and sports, and by the extensive support of clubs engaged in the physical training of youth.
22. We demand the abolition of the mercenary army and the foundation of a citizen's army.
23. We demand legal warfare on deliberate political mendacity and its dissemination in the press. To facilitate the creation of a national press we demand:
(a) that all editors of, and contributors to newspapers appearing in the English language must be members of the nation;
(b) that no non-English newspapers may appear without the express permission of the State. They must not be printed in the English language;
(c) that non-citizens shall be prohibited by law from participating financially in or influencing newspapers, and that the penalty for contravening such a law shall be the suppression of any such newspaper, and the immediate deportation of the involved.
The publishing of papers which are not conducive to the national welfare must be forbidden. We demand the legal prosecution of all those tendencies in art and literature which corrupt our national life, and the suppression of cultural events which violate this demand.
24. We demand freedom for all religious denominations in the State, provided they do not threaten its existence not offend the moral feelings of the American people.
25.The common interest before self-interest.
but I do find it interesting that one of the JPFO's points is that a National ID card could possibly PRECLUDE us from receiving Social Security. Are they blind? If I was really concerned about the government tracking me, then why in the heck would I still expect to receive Social Security? As they said, Social Security is already a national form of ID. All citizens are required to sign up for it. The National ID started long ago.
I agree that some of the trends they describe need to be addressed, but I think the JPFO is obviously trying to paint a worst-case scenario here. When states will give out driver's licenses to any illegal-alien out there, then I do believe something needs to be done.
However I don't feel a National ID will solve anything unless the Feds commit to an active crack-down on illegals by boosting our border security, deporting illegals identified in our society, and punishing crooked employers who knowingly hire illegals. If all of those activities were in place then I think I would be more willing to buy into the idea of a National ID.
-WW
"...That the people have a right to keep and bear arms; that a well-regulated militia, composed of the body of the people trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defence of a free state."
-The Debates in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Virginia, on the Adoption of the Federal Constitution. June 27, 1788.
I'll be honest, I didn't read the whole post in great detail,...
but I do find it interesting that one of the JPFO's points is that a National ID card could possibly PRECLUDE us from receiving Social Security. Are they blind? If I was really concerned about the government tracking me, then why in the heck would I still expect to receive Social Security? As they said, Social Security is already a national form of ID. All citizens are required to sign up for it. The National ID started long ago.
I agree that some of the trends they describe need to be addressed, but I think the JPFO is obviously trying to paint a worst-case scenario here. When states will give out driver's licenses to any illegal-alien out there, then I do believe something needs to be done.
However I don't feel a National ID will solve anything unless the Feds commit to an active crack-down on illegals by boosting our border security, deporting illegals identified in our society, and punishing crooked employers who knowingly hire illegals. If all of those activities were in place then I think I would be more willing to buy into the idea of a National ID.
-WW
"...That the people have a right to keep and bear arms; that a well-regulated militia, composed of the body of the people trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defence of a free state."
-The Debates in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Virginia, on the Adoption of the Federal Constitution. June 27, 1788.
I don't know who you are WoundedWolf or where you came from, but most (perhaps all) of your posts radiate a lot of intelligent.
Please stick around and post often.
Defender
Private investigator licensed in AZ & CA that specializes in self defense cases.
I've been away for a few months, but I plan on sticking around for a while.
"...That the people have a right to keep and bear arms; that a well-regulated militia, composed of the body of the people trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defence of a free state."
-The Debates in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Virginia, on the Adoption of the Federal Constitution. June 27, 1788.
However I don't feel a National ID will solve anything unless the Feds commit to an active crack-down on illegals by boosting our border security, deporting illegals identified in our society, and punishing crooked employers who knowingly hire illegals. If all of those activities were in place then I think I would be more willing to buy into the idea of a National ID.
Did ya ever consider, that maybe if the feds committed to doing all of those things you mentioned, then a National ID would not be necessary?? Once again, you got everything upside down.
The government is not doing a good job enforcing the laws, so instead of demanding the government enforce those laws, you instead opt to give the government EVEN MORE power.
sheep abound.
"Waiting tables is what you know, making cheese is what I know-lets stick with what we know!"
-Jimmy the cheese man
The gene pool needs chlorine.
That simple.
The intellect of the board may not see it, but the simple fact of the matter is that we are subject to a gov't that tries its hardest to gain a monopoly on force, and use that force without restraint. It really does not matter that the majority thinks it won't happen, because the majority may be (and in this case, is) wrong.
Death to Tyrants!!!
Lev 26:14-39
Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.
Luke 22:36.
"Followers of Christ, be armed."
Has anyone received an alert, on this topic, from the NRA?
How about the GOA?
The gene pool needs chlorine.
Fitz
quote:Originally posted by WoundedWolf
However I don't feel a National ID will solve anything unless the Feds commit to an active crack-down on illegals by boosting our border security, deporting illegals identified in our society, and punishing crooked employers who knowingly hire illegals. If all of those activities were in place then I think I would be more willing to buy into the idea of a National ID.
Did ya ever consider, that maybe if the feds committed to doing all of those things you mentioned, then a National ID would not be necessary?? Once again, you got everything upside down.
The government is not doing a good job enforcing the laws, so instead of demanding the government enforce those laws, you instead opt to give the government EVEN MORE power.
sheep abound.
"Waiting tables is what you know, making cheese is what I know-lets stick with what we know!"
-Jimmy the cheese man
It's very simple. Create a problem. Offer a solution. Why more don't see this, I'll never know.
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