In order to participate in the GunBroker Member forums, you must be logged in with your GunBroker.com account. Click the sign-in button at the top right of the forums page to get connected.
Options
What If? It Could Happen!
Comengetit
Member Posts: 1,170 ✭✭✭✭✭
If you haven't already read this, here they are:
http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=169501
I would venture to guess about 2 months from now this country will be a shell of it's former self. We will truly experience Hell on Earth. If Rita grows to a cat5 or 4 hurricane, it will utterly wipe from existence what is left in NOLA. I think she will turn North and slam right in between New Orleans and Baton Rouge. If this occurs watch for the Terrorists to attack. I believe they will no matter where it hits. When the eye makes landfall, we could be in for a world of trouble. They have tactical nukes in our country, it's not a matter of if it's a matter of when. What better time to get the most bang for the buck then when many people are already in despair, confusion, and turmoil.
I certainly would be looking took get the greatest effect possible out of my 9 nuclear weapons. My predictions of where and when;
1. September 26th, 2005 9 nuclear weapons will be deployed into 8 cities in the United States.
2. On September 28th at 11:00AM EST.........BOOM
3. New York City X2
4. Chicago
5. Los Angeles
6. Las Vegas
7. Philadelphia
8. Washington D.C.
9. San Francisco
10. Dallas/Ft. Worth or Miami
All will be strategically placed as to take advantage of the most possible civilian deaths in the downtown areas where many people are in a relatively small amount of square mileage. Be prepared, if I turn out to need mental help, as Select Fire has suggested, fantastic you will all have been ready and from now on will be. No harm, no foul. You might want to get a hepa filter air circulator, some 3 mil visquein, and, if possible, a tank of oxygen. A BNC suit with mask wouldn't hurt but I know I'd be labled crazy if I suggested that [;)]. You won't want to be outside for awhile so hunker down. Unless you are 20-25 miles out from ground zero, in which case pack the SUV and head for the hills, pick a "safe spot" in your house where you can seal it off and have all of your supplies in there already. The master is probably the best choice. Have a water filtration system in the master bath in case you need it. I doubt there will be running water, so lots and lots of water. You need to be prepared to be holed up for at least 3 weeks just for fallout. Don't forget pet food and a place in the master for them. When you start to feel your air going, if you have the oxygen tank, turn it on to about 2-3% flow, move into the bathroom and bring the animals into the group. That will last a surprisingly long time. When that runs out, put the hepa filter in the hallway and tube the air into the room.
Don't leave any weapons anywhere in the house except where you are. It won't be like NOLA for about 2-3 weeks then people will start to surface. This is when you are most susceptable to danger from your fellow man.
This is one time when I truly hope I am wrong, one problem, I rarely am.
If this scares you, it should. It will happen, who knows when. I am merely speculating with no basis for my time frame other than "a hunch." The greatest service you can do for your family is to have a clear plan and be prepared.
On the outside chance that we should be invaded by a foreign country when we are crippled, Bring your guns and ammo with you & all provisions, I'm sorry to say this has to be the end of the road for your pets, lock them in the house with plenty of food and water and pray for them, make your way to Denver or Colorado Springs whichever is closer. If it is Denver go to the airport and wait until there are at least 50 of you. Then head down to Colorado Springs, on the Southwest part of town is the "Garden of the Gods". We meet here. From this location we are minutes away from being deep into the Rocky Mountains. There are also alot of homes back in there for shelter. It will be cold. The Air Force Academy is just 10 miles away that may turn out to be significant. If it should be too "hot" there, we will go further South to the Enchanted Circle of New Mexico, Taos way. Angel Fire should make for nice refuge. When do you go? As soon as you feel the presence of others in your country. How long should you wait in Denver? No more than 2 days. Have plenty of fuel, there won't be any available. Our government will take over all gas stations to cut down on our mobility, to protect us from ourselves, if you will.
Look folks, I know this all sounds nuts, but if I would have told you that September 11th was going to happen would you have believed me? You'd a had me locked up. The best case scenario is that nothing happens, in which case you were prepared. What, would you be embarrassed you'll look like a dork gathering all these things? Those who would critisize will be the first ones at your door for help.
If by unGodly insane odds there are plans of invasion, you'll be damn glad you had a place picked out where you will have the support of others in a location very remote and deep into the Mountains. Somebody's got to make some sort of plan, might as well be us.
There are two kinds of people in this World.....Those that lead....And those that get the hell out of the way....GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=169501
I would venture to guess about 2 months from now this country will be a shell of it's former self. We will truly experience Hell on Earth. If Rita grows to a cat5 or 4 hurricane, it will utterly wipe from existence what is left in NOLA. I think she will turn North and slam right in between New Orleans and Baton Rouge. If this occurs watch for the Terrorists to attack. I believe they will no matter where it hits. When the eye makes landfall, we could be in for a world of trouble. They have tactical nukes in our country, it's not a matter of if it's a matter of when. What better time to get the most bang for the buck then when many people are already in despair, confusion, and turmoil.
I certainly would be looking took get the greatest effect possible out of my 9 nuclear weapons. My predictions of where and when;
1. September 26th, 2005 9 nuclear weapons will be deployed into 8 cities in the United States.
2. On September 28th at 11:00AM EST.........BOOM
3. New York City X2
4. Chicago
5. Los Angeles
6. Las Vegas
7. Philadelphia
8. Washington D.C.
9. San Francisco
10. Dallas/Ft. Worth or Miami
All will be strategically placed as to take advantage of the most possible civilian deaths in the downtown areas where many people are in a relatively small amount of square mileage. Be prepared, if I turn out to need mental help, as Select Fire has suggested, fantastic you will all have been ready and from now on will be. No harm, no foul. You might want to get a hepa filter air circulator, some 3 mil visquein, and, if possible, a tank of oxygen. A BNC suit with mask wouldn't hurt but I know I'd be labled crazy if I suggested that [;)]. You won't want to be outside for awhile so hunker down. Unless you are 20-25 miles out from ground zero, in which case pack the SUV and head for the hills, pick a "safe spot" in your house where you can seal it off and have all of your supplies in there already. The master is probably the best choice. Have a water filtration system in the master bath in case you need it. I doubt there will be running water, so lots and lots of water. You need to be prepared to be holed up for at least 3 weeks just for fallout. Don't forget pet food and a place in the master for them. When you start to feel your air going, if you have the oxygen tank, turn it on to about 2-3% flow, move into the bathroom and bring the animals into the group. That will last a surprisingly long time. When that runs out, put the hepa filter in the hallway and tube the air into the room.
Don't leave any weapons anywhere in the house except where you are. It won't be like NOLA for about 2-3 weeks then people will start to surface. This is when you are most susceptable to danger from your fellow man.
This is one time when I truly hope I am wrong, one problem, I rarely am.
If this scares you, it should. It will happen, who knows when. I am merely speculating with no basis for my time frame other than "a hunch." The greatest service you can do for your family is to have a clear plan and be prepared.
On the outside chance that we should be invaded by a foreign country when we are crippled, Bring your guns and ammo with you & all provisions, I'm sorry to say this has to be the end of the road for your pets, lock them in the house with plenty of food and water and pray for them, make your way to Denver or Colorado Springs whichever is closer. If it is Denver go to the airport and wait until there are at least 50 of you. Then head down to Colorado Springs, on the Southwest part of town is the "Garden of the Gods". We meet here. From this location we are minutes away from being deep into the Rocky Mountains. There are also alot of homes back in there for shelter. It will be cold. The Air Force Academy is just 10 miles away that may turn out to be significant. If it should be too "hot" there, we will go further South to the Enchanted Circle of New Mexico, Taos way. Angel Fire should make for nice refuge. When do you go? As soon as you feel the presence of others in your country. How long should you wait in Denver? No more than 2 days. Have plenty of fuel, there won't be any available. Our government will take over all gas stations to cut down on our mobility, to protect us from ourselves, if you will.
Look folks, I know this all sounds nuts, but if I would have told you that September 11th was going to happen would you have believed me? You'd a had me locked up. The best case scenario is that nothing happens, in which case you were prepared. What, would you be embarrassed you'll look like a dork gathering all these things? Those who would critisize will be the first ones at your door for help.
If by unGodly insane odds there are plans of invasion, you'll be damn glad you had a place picked out where you will have the support of others in a location very remote and deep into the Mountains. Somebody's got to make some sort of plan, might as well be us.
There are two kinds of people in this World.....Those that lead....And those that get the hell out of the way....GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
Comments
There are two kinds of people in this World.....Those that lead....And those that get the hell out of the way....GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
[:D]
I'm heading to the range right now to practice my 300 yard pistol shots. Never know when I may have to defend my neighbor's neighbor's neighbor's house with just my pistol.
-WW
MOΛΩN ΛABE
-Samuel Adams, Patriot/Brewer
Yeah, I knew it. Oh, well, I can at least say I tried. Specifically what gave you that impression. Please don't just say everything. I'd like to know where you think I've got it wrong[}:)][;)]
There are two kinds of people in this World.....Those that lead....And those that get the hell out of the way....GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
I don't believe another hurricane will "utterly wipe from existance what's left of NOLA."
I don't believe Rita is headed for NOLA or Baton Rouge. Looks more like the Houston area to me.
I don't believe another hurricane will necessarily trigger a terrorist attack. They attack on their own schedule based on their own plans.
I don't believe they have any nukes in our country. If they did, they'd have used them already.
I think you need mental help like Select Fire has suggested.
[:D][:D][:D][:D]
ja check email
WW-lol! [;)]
OK Fourth Horseman, I know what you DON'T believe, now what DO you believe. You can't think WTC was it. Did you read the other two news articles at top of post?
There are two kinds of people in this World.....Those that lead....And those that get the hell out of the way....GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
Not bad KingJoey but the tinfoil hat is kind of over played. But I like the spirit. Next! [;)]
There are two kinds of people in this World.....Those that lead....And those that get the hell out of the way....GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
Love them Beavers
There are two kinds of people in this World.....Those that lead....And those that get the hell out of the way....GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
Love them Beavers
Molon Labe
Better buy more tinfoil too, don't want to run out in the middle of a catastrophe like this[;)]
Love them Beavers
Don't forget to stock up on duct tape![;)]
Tin foil hat- funny but losing it's luster, a bit over played. [;)]
NEXT!
HVOF- I can't remember whether the article eluded to 7 or 9 nukes. I'm pretty sure if he has them here, he's goin' for the slam dunk. I think he came damn close to checkin' out in Bora Bora. He wants to feel his peoples admiration and respect, while at the same time, he doesn't ever want to be out done. JMHO [:D]
And why on God's green earth would Clinton not buy them from the Chechnyan's (sp.)? Buy not taking them off the market, they ended up right where we would have most wanted to keep them away. Hmmph! Go Figure! [xx(]
There are two kinds of people in this World.....Those that lead....And those that get the hell out of the way....GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
Yah know ja, I been thinkin' ( I know, I know, I'm not supposed to do that), but since I did anyway, about this nuke thing. Do you really think they would use them as soon as they got 'em? I kind of think bin Laden's Ego wouldn't allow that. He wants something big. That's why I think it will be well orchestrated and in unison.[^]
Just detonating one on our soil would be "BIG" by definition. They would go after DC as their first target and any other city would just be a bonus to them. My 2 cents.
And...herein lies the rub. Pretty formidable foe, wouldn't you say? It's like fighting a ghost. We can't see them coming, we don't know where they came from, we don't know who they are, we don't know where or when they will strike or if, they will strike. They(whoever, they are)could be playing a very dangerous game of cat and mouse in which the return volley never comes. The thought of it and the reality of it, if felt by enough of the populous, would create 300,000,000 people trying to go on about their daily lives strapped by the constant fear of wondering "will this be the day?" They won't let their children go out and play, they won't take weekend excursions, they won't go out to eat, they won't go to the movies or the mall...The objective will then have been acomplished without one bomb being dispatched, it's beautiful and ingenious in its creation and performance, the bomb that never was will have done more damage than any 20 nukes could have done. That, you see would pizz us off and give us strength. Strong is the last thing they want us to be. It's brilliant. [:0] Checkmate! Bye-bye freedom! Now that's no joke.[:(]
There are two kinds of people in this World.....Those that lead....And those that get the hell out of the way....GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
Total War. Kill 'em all, from Casablanca to Chungking.
Oh, and nuke France just for good measure.
-WW
MOΛΩN ΛABE
-Samuel Adams, Patriot/Brewer
How'd the shootin' go? Does your neighbors, neighbors, neighbor feel a little more at ease knowing you'll be on watch at 300 yds. with your sidearm? [:D][;)][:D]
There are two kinds of people in this World.....Those that lead....And those that get the hell out of the way....GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
I used my spinner target, it is 5 spinners in about a 1-foot square metal frame. I set it out about 100 yards. I couldn't see much that far, but I would say I heard the spinners DING about 50% of the time. So I'm figuring at 300 yards (almost a 1000-feet!) this would merely be a scare tactic, which then I may as well just pull out the 10/22 with the 9x scope and have some fun!
-WW
MOΛΩN ΛABE
-Samuel Adams, Patriot/Brewer
Call up France, Russia, Britian, Germany and China beforehand and offer to split up the oil 6 ways. All the other nations on earth put together couldn't oppose the big 6 if we were united on this.
Hey ja, who's gonna go get the oil after we carpet bomb with nukes? It'll be fifty years before anything could survive on the 'Worlds Largest Outdoor Roller Skating Rink.' Oh how I relish the idea, how sinister and evil. I love it.
There are two kinds of people in this World.....Those that lead....And those that get the hell out of the way....GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
Do we have to include France? I'd love to hear their reaction after the whole thing went down completely undetected by the French 'radar screen'. I can hear them cussing us in their high falutin French dialect. God do I despise that whiney, nasal, cavernous wail they call language. ja, I really, really don't like the French. What do you say can we 86 'em?[V][:D]
Hey ja, who's gonna go get the oil after we carpet bomb with nukes? It'll be fifty years before anything could survive on the 'Worlds Largest Outdoor Roller Skating Rink.' Oh how I relish the idea, how sinister and evil. I love it.
The Neutron wasn't a nuke, it was a bomb that killed people and animals but left buildings and landscapes intact. If I remember right you could occupy where it was used in a matter of days aftewards. It produced high levels of I think gamma radiation or something like that, not the ionizing radiation that a nuke produces. All the countries that opposed it didn't have it and said it would make war too easy.
NEUTRON BOMB
"Also called ENHANCED RADIATION WARHEAD, specialized type of small thermonuclear weapon that produces minimal blast and heat but which releases large amounts of lethal radiation. The neutron bomb delivers blast and heat effects that are confined to an area of only a few hundred yards in radius. But within a somewhat larger area it throws off a massive wave of neutron and gamma radiation, which can penetrate armour or several feet of earth. This radiation is extremely destructive to living tissue. Because of its short-range destructiveness and the absence of long-range effect, the neutron bomb would be highly effective against tank and infantry formations on the battlefield but would not endanger cities or other population centres only a few miles away. It can be carried in a Lance missile or delivered by an 8-inch (200-millimetre) howitzer, or possibly by attack aircraft.
In strategic terms, the neutron bomb has a theoretical deterrent effect: discouraging an armoured ground assault by arousing the fear of neutron bomb counterattack. The bomb would disable enemy tank crews in minutes, and those exposed would die within days. U.S. production of the bomb was postponed in 1978 and resumed in 1981."
In all actuality we could win a war in a matter of days as opposed to years as most wars are inclined to take. I think I could get used to the idea of having France as an U.S. possession. And how in the World did we ever agree to sign anything that would limit our abilities to wage war and if we did use it, who would enforce what, against us? I think we have put ourselves in a pretty pizz poor position due to our foreign policy. We now have to show the World that we are so ridiculously powerful that no one would dream of coming after us. That could prove to be quite difficult considering the technology gap is closing every day.
If and when we are hit with another terrorist attack, I think the gloves come off and the rules go by way of the dinasaur, we can't live by rules that our counterparts do not aknowledge. There can only be one solution........BOOM!
There are two kinds of people in this World.....Those that lead....And those that get the hell out of the way....GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
There are two kinds of people in this World.....Those that lead....And those that get the hell out of the way....GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
The Neutron wasn't a nuke, it was a bomb that killed people and animals but left buildings and landscapes intact. If I remember right you could occupy where it was used in a matter of days aftewards. It produced high levels of I think gamma radiation or something like that, not the ionizing radiation that a nuke produces. All the countries that opposed it didn't have it and said it would make war too easy.
Actually, the neutron weapon produced enhanced radiation instead of high explosive detonation. As far as radiation is concerned, it is more lethal, just less physically destructive to physical realestate, unless you consider that you won't be planting anything "normal" for a good 100 plus years. Those are facts, not tryin to be mean, just letting you know.
The Russians told their soldiers that the "injection", (atropine) would cure them. Their mission was to inject themselves and continue the attack. wow...
Comengetit is not the source of the info about the back pack nukes that are missing. dunno how many, who has, truth of source etc. But suppose it IS true.
If you can find those old Marine Corps Guide books from the late 70's early eighties, you will at least find out what immediate action to take for yourself. A little deeper reading will tell you what to do if'n yer indoors if something were to occur.
Again, suppose it IS true. Then it seems to me thst the only real question is: What will you do to protect yourself?
I would say that if you live in the big cities... move away if you can. Move away even if you can't for a few years.
IF there were such a culture in the world that would be willing to nuke us AND make it look as if you can't really tell who did it, then of a certainty, they will wait until we are all safely back to sleep again.
Just think to the future, and how you would play it for your own defense, and do something. Paranoia is optional.
ALSO do not believe that stuff a couple of posts above about "short term" radiation effects. It is, by definition and intent, misinfomation. (it was the selling point.)
Look... I don't wanna pretend to be someone who knows something he isn't saying. It isn't like that. I would only say that the sites that the NW's were tested on are still not accessible.
You can believe it or not.
But if, for example, one went off in LA and you live and work there, and some butthead said "Oh! It's just a neutron weapon!" All I can say is , go ahead and go back to work, idiot. Less people eatin lettuce, drinking water and breathin the air...
and by the way, if you DO live in LA and something bad happens... good luck getting the hXXl outta there... whew... what a mess that place is just on holidays. Took me six hours to go 80 miles one holiday.
The duty to preserve one's self ought never be denied.
This doesn't involve a few ragheads hopping 4 planes and crashing them into buildings, you know.
Death to Tyrants!!!
Lev 26:14-39
Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.
Luke 22:36.
"Followers of Christ, be armed."
FWIW comeandgetit, I wouldn't rule something like this out, but I will say pulling something like this off right under our noses will be difficult.
This doesn't involve a few ragheads hopping 4 planes and crashing them into buildings, you know.
Death to Tyrants!!!
The whole darned thing is a little suspicious to me.
There are so many people in the world. It isn't hard to cook up a plan and put it into action, depending on the plan of course.
I hope it is all BS and never happens, but to believe it can't or won't happen (or isn't possible) is naive.
The duty to preserve one's self ought never be denied.
Welcome to the board, always glad to see someone open minded and not severely planted on the left and we really like it when they have an IQ higher than a brick.[:D]
There are two kinds of people in this World.....Those that lead....And those that get the hell out of the way....GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
WOW!!!!! Nice Picture.[:p][:I][:D]
woo hoo!
The duty to preserve one's self ought never be denied.
Here a little 'Public Service Announcement": A hose clamp is not needed to keep your tinfoil hat in place and the effectiveness of the hat will not be hampered by a casual comfortable fit. Studies show that mind-control waves are blocked equally well by a loosely fitted TFH as they are by a tightly fitted and clamped TFH[;)]
Love them Beavers
but I thought that tin foil hats only kept ufo's away....?
hehehe
The duty to preserve one's self ought never be denied.
Thanks for coming back over, perhaps you'd like to add something.[:)]
Consistency is the final refuge of the unimaginative
When it does happen (note: not "if") it will come out of nowhere, and we will all be stunned that it happens, just like last time.
Death to Tyrants!!!
Lev 26:14-39
Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.
Luke 22:36.
"Followers of Christ, be armed."
Courtesy of Coast to Coast radio with George Noory.
The duty to preserve one's self ought never be denied.
There are two kinds of people in this World....Those who lead....and those who get the hell out of the way...GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?