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When we address the issues surrounding the second amendment, we are too often caught in the web of events past, precedence, if you will. While taking a long, hard look into the how's and why's as they pertain to our continued debate as to the meaning of the second amendment one must consider the framers and their intent. This would not be an issue if the framers were able to be subpoenaed and drug into a court of law in order to give testimony in reference to the meaning of the second amendment. This, however, is not possible as they have long ago parrished. It would only lend credential to statements that were made at the time of the framing by those who indeed did the framing. Thus creating, again, a political issue of interpretation.
Why must there be any interpretation at all? Seems to most rational people who have no interest financially or otherwise that such an amendment should mean exactly what it says and should not be up for interpretation so as to benefit the political aspirations of the few in order to subject the masses to their personal objections. By allowing such interpretations at any stage throughout history is clearly against the intentions of the men who penned such document. It is this authors opinion and that of many other constitutional scholars that the Bill of Rights are not to be altered or infringed in any way. That such infringement is not only unconstitutional but it is criminal in it's intent to deny the people their inalienable rights and those granted numerically within the Bill of Rights. Those who would seek to alter or outright deny those rights have not a sound nor balanced way of thinking in the spirit of America.
Power has become the greatest individual threat to this nation. Those who are in power constantly thrive for more, how much is enough? It matters not to those who would have you enslaved that they have gone against the wishes of the forefathers nor that the people are those who are to be protected from such constitutional defiance. That by amending any part of the constitution to change or infringe upon that individual right, the supreme law of the land having then been circumvented is criminal and punishable by law. How does an individual citizen go about bringing criminal charges against a member of a tyrannical government bent on total domination of it's subjects, formerly referred to as "the people"?
Can it be then said that the second amendment was written in the same spirit as those fore and aft and that the interpretation of words or phraese would be consistent with the remainder of the document? I contend that beyond any doubt this is true, that the meaning of the word "people" would be consistent throughout the Bill of Rights and any other form of interpretation is criminal in it's intent to defraud the people.
The governments of the past 140 years have been concertidly working towards the complete disassembling of the Bill of Rights as they are a hinderance to the objective of big government; POWER. I have confidence that should the media be convinced of such evil doing that they too might join in the fight to block any further attempts at constitutional circumvention and may even pave the way for the subsequent repeal of laws deemed unconstitutional by the people for the people, and that those responsible for enacting such laws be tried and convicted of treason, obstruction of justice and a new law, crimes against the constitution. The government as we know it be disbanded and a new form of government that adhere to the strictest values of our constitution be at the forefront of concern.
In closing, the fact that the methodical dismantling of our constitution was and continues to be unchallenged by the people is a testament to the lengths and patience this U.S. Government will go in order to subject her citizens to the systematic tumbling of their God given rights into the great abyss. This does not need be the way of our destiny, we, as a people have all of the power necessary to take back what has been stolen and regenerate what was once the single greatest nation on the planet. I contend that we still maintain that billing but if something isn't done, if we as a people don't stand up and be counted now, we will lay down and be counted later.
If you have any intention of voicing your opinions along these lines of thinking, I recommend that you put several different deterents in place against the JBT's. First, write down your concerns in a format that anyone can clearly understand and get it into the hands of loved ones, friends, and two or three different councilmen and congressmen as the congress has been duped as well. Also send a copy to the NRA, the GOA and any other gun group you can. This will act as your protection against wrongful incarceration or a basis of suit for your family should you just "disappear". This government has played hide and seek with congress as well and they are, believe it or not, more apt to side with the public than a strong armed government. They will begin to see how they have been bamboozled and hornswaggled just as we have, it will take a very obvious and blatent power grab for this to occur and I think we may have it in the Patriot Act. They, the government, want this in place for reasons none other than to have complete power, without obstruction from the laws or any branch of government over each and every one of you. Will you allow yourself to be one of the statistics or would you rather take a stand while you can for it is quite difficult to do so while in the confines of a concentration camp. Have any Jewish friends? Ask them how difficult it will be later as oppossed to sooner. It's your life, live it or die, the choice is yours.
There are two kinds of people in this World....Those who lead....and those who get the hell out of the way...GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
Why must there be any interpretation at all? Seems to most rational people who have no interest financially or otherwise that such an amendment should mean exactly what it says and should not be up for interpretation so as to benefit the political aspirations of the few in order to subject the masses to their personal objections. By allowing such interpretations at any stage throughout history is clearly against the intentions of the men who penned such document. It is this authors opinion and that of many other constitutional scholars that the Bill of Rights are not to be altered or infringed in any way. That such infringement is not only unconstitutional but it is criminal in it's intent to deny the people their inalienable rights and those granted numerically within the Bill of Rights. Those who would seek to alter or outright deny those rights have not a sound nor balanced way of thinking in the spirit of America.
Power has become the greatest individual threat to this nation. Those who are in power constantly thrive for more, how much is enough? It matters not to those who would have you enslaved that they have gone against the wishes of the forefathers nor that the people are those who are to be protected from such constitutional defiance. That by amending any part of the constitution to change or infringe upon that individual right, the supreme law of the land having then been circumvented is criminal and punishable by law. How does an individual citizen go about bringing criminal charges against a member of a tyrannical government bent on total domination of it's subjects, formerly referred to as "the people"?
Can it be then said that the second amendment was written in the same spirit as those fore and aft and that the interpretation of words or phraese would be consistent with the remainder of the document? I contend that beyond any doubt this is true, that the meaning of the word "people" would be consistent throughout the Bill of Rights and any other form of interpretation is criminal in it's intent to defraud the people.
The governments of the past 140 years have been concertidly working towards the complete disassembling of the Bill of Rights as they are a hinderance to the objective of big government; POWER. I have confidence that should the media be convinced of such evil doing that they too might join in the fight to block any further attempts at constitutional circumvention and may even pave the way for the subsequent repeal of laws deemed unconstitutional by the people for the people, and that those responsible for enacting such laws be tried and convicted of treason, obstruction of justice and a new law, crimes against the constitution. The government as we know it be disbanded and a new form of government that adhere to the strictest values of our constitution be at the forefront of concern.
In closing, the fact that the methodical dismantling of our constitution was and continues to be unchallenged by the people is a testament to the lengths and patience this U.S. Government will go in order to subject her citizens to the systematic tumbling of their God given rights into the great abyss. This does not need be the way of our destiny, we, as a people have all of the power necessary to take back what has been stolen and regenerate what was once the single greatest nation on the planet. I contend that we still maintain that billing but if something isn't done, if we as a people don't stand up and be counted now, we will lay down and be counted later.
If you have any intention of voicing your opinions along these lines of thinking, I recommend that you put several different deterents in place against the JBT's. First, write down your concerns in a format that anyone can clearly understand and get it into the hands of loved ones, friends, and two or three different councilmen and congressmen as the congress has been duped as well. Also send a copy to the NRA, the GOA and any other gun group you can. This will act as your protection against wrongful incarceration or a basis of suit for your family should you just "disappear". This government has played hide and seek with congress as well and they are, believe it or not, more apt to side with the public than a strong armed government. They will begin to see how they have been bamboozled and hornswaggled just as we have, it will take a very obvious and blatent power grab for this to occur and I think we may have it in the Patriot Act. They, the government, want this in place for reasons none other than to have complete power, without obstruction from the laws or any branch of government over each and every one of you. Will you allow yourself to be one of the statistics or would you rather take a stand while you can for it is quite difficult to do so while in the confines of a concentration camp. Have any Jewish friends? Ask them how difficult it will be later as oppossed to sooner. It's your life, live it or die, the choice is yours.
There are two kinds of people in this World....Those who lead....and those who get the hell out of the way...GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
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Anything you send to the NRA will be routed to the 'proper authorities'..assuming ANYTHING in it is even
slightly out of the party line.Never to see the light of day..except perhaps troted out, carefully doctored, to prove just how 'radical' the dead body really was....
Believing that those in Congress are 'duped' is stretching the bounds of credulity beyond the breaking point. They are perhaps duped all right...into thinking they will be on top when the power grab is complete....
Power..? Enough ..? Politicians ? Our Founders realized that power corrupts..and put in checks to prevent their destruction of our freedoms.
They never visulized the taking over of the school systems by socialists..and the ensuing teaching to worship government.
Education, let's talk about that for a moment. From everything I see and read our children, I don't have any, are being taught to trust the government and that the government is good. Precisely the opposite of what I had been taught. My Grandfather told me "question everything and if the government seems to make sense question yourself". I remember having war games in school. Not your typical war games mind you but on paper the lesson learned was the power of the specific governments and how that power can be and is abused. By putting 9th grade kids in charge of an entire country over the period of 5 months without any student knowing what country they were was truly an eye opening experience. I believe if a teacher were to employ the same exercise today they would be jailed.
What can be done to wake up the herds and motivate them to let the truth set them free? Is all lost? Are we at a crossroads between slow methodical death or rapid transgression into a form of civil war where the people are the government yet the government does not represent the sentimate of the people? And if we are at this crossroads what happens to those that fail to recognize this fact? How does a revolution begin? Would you know what one was if you were in it? Third World here we come it "Mad Max" for all of us. Ding, Ding!
There are two kinds of people in this World....Those who lead....and those who get the hell out of the way...GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
These people on top are intelligent..I speak not of the politicians..preening arrogance being the best defination I can give them...and they are determined to hold a world in thrall.
Every means is thwarted..we have a local radio station that speaks out about local government corruption stridently every day...yet the host sounds like bush's bi tch.
The national talk radio's..ideal places to desimminate the truth..during the clinton years I began to hope..they pointed to the massive sell-out to the Chinese..they drug up every bit of corruption in that administration...and I stupidly expected the same with this present administration.
To a man..(or woman)..they act like bush is their pim p.
The French riot in the street for 2 weeks because 2 punks are killed by their own hand.....and here in this country we roll over on our back and wet our belly's because the 'boss' says we need the Patriot Act..a classic double-speak in the very best Orwellian tradition.
Want to know your enemy..? PAY ATTENTION TO HE WHO SUPPORTS THIS ACT...that is the mortal enemy of all things American. You CANNOT support freedom...and the Patriot Act.An impossibility.
You CANNOT support the Second Amendment..and say you will sign an AWB into law. Impossible.
You CANNOT support the Second Amendment..and 20,000 gun laws. Utter nonsense..and its well past time we STOP associating with those believing this.
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This IS an open forum. Anyone can read what is written here.
There is NO 1st Amendment, get used to it.
It's been said, perception is the key. If anyone is perceived to be a threat, a terrorist if you will, well.....the limits of the law have no boundaries, thanks to the UN-patriot act.
Standing as a patriot, a belief in the Constitution, and what it STOOD for, will not pass as a defense, in this day and age. Is there yellow/gold around the flag?
As for the schools. Who is the backbone of the military, the police departments, the rest of the LEO's? It's the kids. (Yes there is a percentage of older, more knowledgably men, but for the most part, it's kids) Now, think about what have these kids been taught? STOP, and think again. Maybe not 100% of them, but MOST of them.
In the latest cluster (insert nasty word here) down in New Orleans, the National Guard were told that there might be the possibility that they would have to shoot civilians. Some protested, but said that they WOULD DO IT. Many of the National Guard are X-military.
Now, consider again, who is the backbone of the military. Kids. Do you think for even a second, that if their lieutenant gave them orders to shoot civilians that were planning ANYTHING against the government, that they would hesitate? I wouldn't hold my breath, no matter what others may say.
Albeit a power mad, out of control, UNCONSTITUTIONAL government, aimed at bringing the standard of living in the United States down to a third world level, has no bearing on this. Here again, perception is the key. They would perceive ANY civilians that looked to overthrow even a CORRUPT government, as the enemy, aka terrorists. Here is the time to consider what kind of power the UN-patriot act gave the alphabet LEO's to search out terrorists.
Now consider again why Bush has "repeatedly" asked to revoke the Posse Comitatus Act. First it was because of the hurricane, no wait, he changed the reason, now it's the bird flu, no wait......
It is not so much as being able to call upon the troops to quell any insurrection. He has that power, as is. It is more for the "minds" of the troops. The Posse Comitatus Act is the only thread left standing, holding them back from using the military for police powers. With that out of the way, he (or whoever) "could" use the military against civilians with impunity.
Foot Note;
I see "some" have come to the realization that "others" arrived at, a while back. What can be done?
Legislation takes too long, and there is not enough time. What can be said, without the worry of "disappearing" in the night? Scratch that, it can happen in the day time, now days. How can the sheeple be woke up? All good questions. Any answers?
Remember, ANYTHING you say CAN and WILL be used AGAINST you, in a court of law. Well....not really, with the UN-patriot act, they don't even have to tell anyone they have you. [;)]
The gene pool needs chlorine.
The caution flag needs to be thrown out here again.
This IS an open forum. Anyone can read what is written here.
There is NO 1st Amendment, get used to it.
It's been said, perception is the key. If anyone is perceived to be a threat, a terrorist if you will, well.....the limits of the law have no boundaries, thanks to the UN-patriot act.
Standing as a patriot, a belief in the Constitution, and what it STOOD for, will not pass as a defense, in this day and age. Is there yellow/gold around the flag?
As for the schools. Who is the backbone of the military, the police departments, the rest of the LEO's? It's the kids. (Yes there is a percentage of older, more knowledgably men, but for the most part, it's kids) Now, think about what have these kids been taught? STOP, and think again. Maybe not 100% of them, but MOST of them.
In the latest cluster (insert nasty word here) down in New Orleans, the National Guard were told that there might be the possibility that they would have to shoot civilians. Some protested, but said that they WOULD DO IT. Many of the National Guard are X-military.
Now, consider again, who is the backbone of the military. Kids. Do you think for even a second, that if their lieutenant gave them orders to shoot civilians that were planning ANYTHING against the government, that they would hesitate? I wouldn't hold my breath, no matter what others may say.
Albeit a power mad, out of control, UNCONSTITUTIONAL government, aimed at bringing the standard of living in the United States down to a third world level, has no bearing on this. Here again, perception is the key. They would perceive ANY civilians that looked to overthrow even a CORRUPT government, as the enemy, aka terrorists. Here is the time to consider what kind of power the UN-patriot act gave the alphabet LEO's to search out terrorists.
Now consider again why Bush has "repeatedly" asked to revoke the Posse Comitatus Act. First it was because of the hurricane, no wait, he changed the reason, now it's the bird flu, no wait......
It is not so much as being able to call upon the troops to quell any insurrection. He has that power, as is. It is more for the "minds" of the troops. The Posse Comitatus Act is the only thread left standing, holding them back from using the military for police powers. With that out of the way, he (or whoever) "could" use the military against civilians with impunity.
Foot Note;
I see "some" have come to the realization that "others" arrived at, a while back. What can be done?
Legislation takes too long, and there is not enough time. What can be said, without the worry of "disappearing" in the night? Scratch that, it can happen in the day time, now days. How can the sheeple be woke up? All good questions. Any answers?
Remember, ANYTHING you say CAN and WILL be used AGAINST you, in a court of law. Well....not really, with the UN-patriot act, they don't even have to tell anyone they have you. [;)]
The gene pool needs chlorine.
Man... where did this new generation get all those anti american ideas?
The duty to preserve one's self ought never be denied.
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