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WW; Have read your posts before on the Constitution. The examples you raise are indeed interesting..I had hopes that Salzo would join the battle.
Re; The 20 buck figure you refer to often..using that as the figure forever also relegates us to using black powder muskets forever...and also forgoing the power of the internet, along with tv, radio...ect...
The powers of the government is few..the powers of the people numerous.. At least that was the way it was supposed to be.
The Second Amendment CANNOT be interperted any way but one. The Founders had just gone thru a bloody, long conflict with a strong central government....they NEVER INTENDED to let it happen again. Several actually DID desire to form another, basically, dictatorship..but were voted down.
Yet I think they planted the seeds of self destruction within the Constitution itself...with examples such as you harp upon....
Highball, I appreciate your comments. I do remember that we had a similar thread between us a few months back, and I did copy part of one of my comments on that thread into this thread above.
quote:Re; The 20 buck figure you refer to often..using that as the figure forever also relegates us to using black powder muskets forever...and also forgoing the power of the internet, along with tv, radio...ect...
I like this statement above, Highball. I think it shows the juxtaposition that in some cases it is advantageous to have a literal interpretation of the Constitution, but it can really bite us in the @ss in others. Either way, we must be consistent.
I think HVOF may have been right about touching a nerve with me. As I have said before, I don't doubt that our Constitution is a great document, or that it may even have been divinely inspired. However I believe it is important to remember that it was created by MEN, albeit great men, but men nonetheless with all the falliability and flaws as men of any generation or time.
Whenever I hear any literal fundementalist interpretation of any viewpoint, whether religous, political, or otherwise, I immediately begin to question it. No one is ever right (or wrong) 100% of the time. So when someone says that there is no room for interpretation, I know that there must be flaws in their logic somewhere. And, as I said, I have a bad habit of playing Devil's Advocate, even if I do not strongly agree or disagree with the given viewpoint.
quote:Yet I think they planted the seeds of self destruction within the Constitution itself...with examples such as you harp upon....
I hope you are wrong about that, Highball, but you may be right. As with many of you, I too cringe at the idea of the Constitution being a "Living Document". However, the Founders gave us the ability to amend the document. They knew that they were not all-knowing and all-seeing. And perhaps they also knew that their ideas would not always be relevant to future generations. So there have been and may be times when the Constitution needs to be changed. But what we see today are 3 branches of government that work outside of the document that gave them their powers. The demise of our nation will probably be caused by the inadequacy of our government, not the inadequacy of our founding document. If there is a way that the power of the Constitution can be put back into the hands of the people (to return accountability to our politicians), then perhaps there may still be hope.
-WW
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"If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced Patriots to prevent its ruin."
-Samuel Adams, Patriot/Brewer
When one advocates a change..one ought to have a replacement for the existing structure.
Advocating change, in a land of 'milk and honey'..actually cake and arenas...gladiators and fast speed boats...is difficult at best.
Pointing out how far the Elites have steered us the US from the freedoms explicit and implicit contained in the Constitution...and advocating we go back to them is plainly frightening enough for the bulk of people...gets one the title of 'extremist', don't you know...
Talking about wholesale rewritting of that document would lose what small audience there is out there....
I am guilty of using the Constitution as a club..beating people about the heads and shoulders with it. I am also guilty of trying to place myself in the position of men that just beat the invulnerable central authority of its time...and the healthy distrust on giving too much power into too few hands....thusly giving the supreme power into the hands of the people, as the actual "Government" of America..
Contrast "A Government of the people, by the people, amd for the people"..with the government we have today....
ANT TIME one decides WHAT the Constitution says...One SHOULD decide in favor of the PEOPLE..not a corrupt government.
Agreed! But when it comes to the first, second, fifth, sixth, and ninth amendments, no rewriting nor interpretation beyond the words themselve are warranted nor neccessary nor obscure are these as the verbiage is clear and concise. Limited ambiguity exists in amendments three, four, seven, and ten therefore, certainly there should be a, once and for all, clear interpretation that would remain in force for all time. Only the eighth amendment is so horribly obscure that a complete definition and comprehensive rewrite is warranted.
There are two kinds of people in this World.....Those that lead....And those that get the hell out of the way....GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
pickenup- Without a doubt the only real Heaven on Earth. I've been to many, many places my friend and none compare. We are staying at a place called the Hale Nanea, at The Secret Beach Hideaway in Kilauea, HI on the island of Kauai. Look it up on the net. Pictures just can't do it justice. I'll be posting all week. This is a private cottage on a cliff overlooking the beautiful bright blue Pacific Ocean. The only person/persons you will see are the landscapers on Tuesday and Thursday this is our second year in a row and we'll be back again next year, same time of year. 78 degrees 10-15 mph breeze and intermitent showers. To make reservations call 800-820-2862 ask for Amy. They are booked about a year out now. There are two other cottages but I would only stay at the 'Hale Nanea'.
My wife and I found this place by accident, we were flipping through channels on the TV and we stopped at this beautiful mountain waterfall, I said "that looks familiar." We continued to watch and found that we were watching a program on the Worlds Ten Most Spectacular Getaways. This was number 7 and that waterfall that looked so familiar? The same as in the beginning of 'Jurassic Park'. There are thousands of waterfalls as the central mountain corridor is the rainiest spot on earth. Here's a couple more:
This is the pathway (private of course) to your own beach.
Another section of the path.
One more piece of the path.
Consistency is the final refuge of the unimaginative
Hey Comengetit!
...How about that new tape of NO cops beatin the heck out of a 64 yr old gang style and even pushing camera men away cuz they knew they were wrong.
...Those chimps down there are outta control. Not worthy of the uniform they wear.
The duty to preserve one's self ought never be denied.
quote:Originally posted by amsptcds
Hey Comengetit!
...How about that new tape of NO cops beatin the heck out of a 64 yr old gang style and even pushing camera men away cuz they knew they were wrong.
...Those chimps down there are outta control. Not worthy of the uniform they wear.
The duty to preserve one's self ought never be denied.
I have to admit I hadn't heard that yet. But, it certainly fits the mentality. These guys are desperate to make the department look good and then they go out and do this? I know everbody dislikes a racist, but damn, they sure do give you plenty of reasons. When this type of stuff happens so regularly it's tough to not get caught in the racist trap. I know I am guilty of it. So how many white cops in the video? Really, huh, go figure. How many white cops were caught on film looting a store? Come on really, none again? You must be mistaken, surely they weren't all black. OH, BUT THEY WERE. No Snit!!!!
Someday they and we will realize that racism is a product of their actions and therefor are completely and totally justified. What is the difference between being a little leary of a black man and being strip searched at the airport? Not one God damn thing except we deal with it and move on. We realize that it is done as a result of actions taken by others. Do I question when I see Muslims getting on my plane? You're damn right I do. Is that racist? Then I am a racist. Now what?
There are two kinds of people in this World....Those who lead....and those who get the hell out of the way...GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
Actually,
...It just saddens me that the so-called guardians of our laws and freedoms do not even make the attempt at becoming "excellent". They are mostly like scrub baseball players. They are, I believe, people who should have been screened out early on, but for the "desparateness" of police departments.
...They are the same old bullies that we have all met throughout our lives. Now they push people around in a uniform with a badge and a gun.
...I would NOT be shocked were I to hear of a coordinated assult with the use of deadly force against these *.
...I couldn't see much in the video, mostly 4 cops beatin on this guy. I believe he was white, but don't quote me. At the street they were on, the corner was really close. It appeared that 20 or more cops were right there at that spot. Check cnn.com..
well here: http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/10/09/taped.beatings.ap/index.html
...Standby for the bs justifications to fly around like bats.
Oh yeah, get this part. They slug him, he resists and they charge him with resisting. I ask you: What person is NOT going to resist violence?
...These jerks, more and more, are showing their true selves and their anger toward the public. They are showing us that there IS, after all, justification to believe that our local police may in fact be our enemy in disguise.
...Just for the sake of the public's fear and a notion of the term "justice", I would crucify those clowns with felonies so that they couldn't even get a security job at a high school.
Actually, I think it is time that the Justice Department step into NO for the sake of civil rights protections and the reining in of a police force out of control with attitude problems.
Its just my nickel.
quote:
I have to admit I hadn't heard that yet. But, it certainly fits the mentality. These guys are desperate to make the department look good and then they go out and do this? I know everbody dislikes a racist, but damn, they sure do give you plenty of reasons. When this type of stuff happens so regularly it's tough to not get caught in the racist trap. I know I am guilty of it. So how many white cops in the video? Really, huh, go figure. How many white cops were caught on film looting a store? Come on really, none again? You must be mistaken, surely they weren't all black. OH, BUT THEY WERE. No Snit!!!!
Someday they and we will realize that racism is a product of their actions and therefor are completely and totally justified. What is the difference between being a little leary of a black man and being strip searched at the airport? Not one God damn thing except we deal with it and move on. We realize that it is done as a result of actions taken by others. Do I question when I see Muslims getting on my plane? You're damn right I do. Is that racist? Then I am a racist. Now what?
There are two kinds of people in this World....Those who lead....and those who get the hell out of the way...GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
The duty to preserve one's self ought never be denied.
Someday they and we will realize that racism is a product of their actions and therefor are completely and totally justified. What is the difference between being a little leary of a black man and being strip searched at the airport? Not one God damn thing except we deal with it and move on. We realize that it is done as a result of actions taken by others. Do I question when I see Muslims getting on my plane? You're damn right I do. Is that racist? Then I am a racist. Now what?
There are two kinds of people in this World....Those who lead....and those who get the hell out of the way...GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
Actually, I think that "racial" notions are "natural' to all the human species. It is bad enough that we seem to be born into a world where the suspicion of the "other" is either genetic or embedded. Add to this that the "other" looks strange and different and you have racial identity. I mean: We DO have eyes, and we CAN tell the difference from one person to another. We shouldn't be surprised by this.
...In our society, at least, we make the effort to try to eliminate the antagonism that arises. But I would say that one cannot manifestly "legislate" a thing that asks humans to goagainst their nature. Only the well meaning and hard delving cross over the mountain, so to speak.
...If you look, you can see that this "otherness" suspicion grows exponentially outward as one looks beyond race to culture, to nation, to region, to world. I think it is quite natural to think in that fashion. But don't mistake me, I haven't equivocated the word 'natural' with the word 'right' or the word 'just'. I am simply pointing out the inclination.
...I watched on the boobtube today documented cases of Chimps (the real ones) hunting down other species and eating them. Not only did they eat the monkeys, but in a social, political fashion, they ONLY shared the meat with their best buds and family, to the exclusion of others.
FURTHER, I watched as this guy followed them on what he thought would be another "hunt: (he had done over 100 such hunts with them...following along that is) but it turned out that about 30 chimps hunted this one male chimp and beat him to death. So they perform murder.
...So... What? is it that we have on these chimps?
...In a world full of spazos and chicken littles, the prudence of being cautious around people of arab descent becomes the political correctness of the fools who are guided by their emotions and sentiments rather than their absent brains. Welcome to Rome.
The duty to preserve one's self ought never be denied.
quote:Originally posted by Comengetit
quote:Originally posted by amsptcds
Hey Comengetit!
...How about that new tape of NO cops beatin the heck out of a 64 yr old gang style and even pushing camera men away cuz they knew they were wrong.
...Those chimps down there are outta control. Not worthy of the uniform they wear.
The duty to preserve one's self ought never be denied.
I have to admit I hadn't heard that yet. But, it certainly fits the mentality. These guys are desperate to make the department look good and then they go out and do this? I know everbody dislikes a racist, but damn, they sure do give you plenty of reasons. When this type of stuff happens so regularly it's tough to not get caught in the racist trap. I know I am guilty of it. So how many white cops in the video? Really, huh, go figure. How many white cops were caught on film looting a store? Come on really, none again? You must be mistaken, surely they weren't all black. OH, BUT THEY WERE. No Snit!!!! Well, if you post when you haven't seen the video, you're more than likely going to put your foot in your mouth and I did. This time I was wrong. This Time! There were three white cops and one darker skinned. The perp was black. Another Rodney King? I knew I took a gamble posting when I hadn't any idea of the story. That'll learn me[:I][B)][:0][8]
Someday they and we will realize that racism is a product of their actions and therefor are completely and totally justified. What is the difference between being a little leary of a black man and being strip searched at the airport? Not one God damn thing except we deal with it and move on. We realize that it is done as a result of actions taken by others. Do I question when I see Muslims getting on my plane? You're damn right I do. Is that racist? Then I am a racist. Now what?
There are two kinds of people in this World....Those who lead....and those who get the hell out of the way...GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
I guess I have now proven that I am. Well what can I say, these are the emotions that pour when all you see day after day is the same old thing. This one time they deserve my apology, nah.
There are two kinds of people in this World....Those who lead....and those who get the hell out of the way...GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
quote:Originally posted by Comengetit
quote:Originally posted by Comengetit
quote:Originally posted by amsptcds
Hey Comengetit!
...How about that new tape of NO cops beatin the heck out of a 64 yr old gang style and even pushing camera men away cuz they knew they were wrong.
...Those chimps down there are outta control. Not worthy of the uniform they wear.
The duty to preserve one's self ought never be denied.
I have to admit I hadn't heard that yet. But, it certainly fits the mentality. These guys are desperate to make the department look good and then they go out and do this? I know everbody dislikes a racist, but damn, they sure do give you plenty of reasons. When this type of stuff happens so regularly it's tough to not get caught in the racist trap. I know I am guilty of it. So how many white cops in the video? Really, huh, go figure. How many white cops were caught on film looting a store? Come on really, none again? You must be mistaken, surely they weren't all black. OH, BUT THEY WERE. No Snit!!!! Well, if you post when you haven't seen the video, you're more than likely going to put your foot in your mouth and I did. This time I was wrong. This Time! There were three white cops and one darker skinned. The perp was black. Another Rodney King? I knew I took a gamble posting when I hadn't any idea of the story. That'll learn me[:I][B)][:0][8]
Someday they and we will realize that racism is a product of their actions and therefor are completely and totally justified. What is the difference between being a little leary of a black man and being strip searched at the airport? Not one God damn thing except we deal with it and move on. We realize that it is done as a result of actions taken by others. Do I question when I see Muslims getting on my plane? You're damn right I do. Is that racist? Then I am a racist. Now what?
There are two kinds of people in this World....Those who lead....and those who get the hell out of the way...GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
I guess I have now proven that I am. Well what can I say, these are the emotions that pour when all you see day after day is the same old thing. This one time they deserve my apology, nah.
There are two kinds of people in this World....Those who lead....and those who get the hell out of the way...GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
hehehe
The duty to preserve one's self ought never be denied.
Big shocker there. They saw the film and realized that there is no rolling at the beginning, so you don't know what the other guy did. They'll make up some BS and get off. Then since they're white, we'll have another South Central L.A. on our hands. Rodney King anyone?
There are two kinds of people in this World....Those who lead....and those who get the hell out of the way...GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
quote:Originally posted by Comengetit
Big shocker there. They saw the film and realized that there is no rolling at the beginning, so you don't know what the other guy did. They'll make up some BS and get off. Then since they're white, we'll have another South Central L.A. on our hands. Rodney King anyone?
There are two kinds of people in this World....Those who lead....and those who get the hell out of the way...GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
...I hear what you are saying: we don't know what really brought it on. But ask yourself: If you were a New Orleans resident, knowing what your police did and what they are like, would you trust them if they approached you as a first reflex?
...I just don't think I could.
Didja see the cop accost the reporter? That was outta line definitely, at least in my opinion.
I guess I just despise bullies, or actions that I think fall under that heading.
The duty to preserve one's self ought never be denied.
quote:Originally posted by amsptcds
quote:Originally posted by Comengetit
Big shocker there. They saw the film and realized that there is no rolling at the beginning, so you don't know what the other guy did. They'll make up some BS and get off. Then since they're white, we'll have another South Central L.A. on our hands. Rodney King anyone?
There are two kinds of people in this World....Those who lead....and those who get the hell out of the way...GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
...I hear what you are saying: we don't know what really brought it on. But ask yourself: If you were a New Orleans resident, knowing what your police did and what they are like, would you trust them if they approached you as a first reflex?
...I just don't think I could.
Didja see the cop accost the reporter? That was outta line definitely, at least in my opinion.
I guess I just despise bullies, or actions that I think fall under that heading.
The duty to preserve one's self ought never be denied.
The accosting cop was way out of line and he will be the one that takes the fall. He has to be, he's the only one that you can say definitely broke protocol and a couple of laws. I would press charges if I were the reporter. They'd have to convict and he'd lose his job. Since I'm not that reporter and he wandered away from his buddies to come and accost ME, I woulda' thumped his * no doubt. They would of come looking for him and I woulda' just pointed down towards the front of that car where he lay unconscious. "What happened?" one of them ask me. "I don't know, I thought maybe that was what all the fuss was about. I just walked up and there he was." I say. "OK well shows over get out of here." "Yeah, sure thing. Hope your buddies OK, have a good evening." Time for a beer.
There are two kinds of people in this World....Those who lead....and those who get the hell out of the way...GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
quote:Originally posted by Comengetit
quote:Originally posted by amsptcds
quote:Originally posted by Comengetit
Big shocker there. They saw the film and realized that there is no rolling at the beginning, so you don't know what the other guy did. They'll make up some BS and get off. Then since they're white, we'll have another South Central L.A. on our hands. Rodney King anyone?
There are two kinds of people in this World....Those who lead....and those who get the hell out of the way...GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
...I hear what you are saying: we don't know what really brought it on. But ask yourself: If you were a New Orleans resident, knowing what your police did and what they are like, would you trust them if they approached you as a first reflex?
...I just don't think I could.
Didja see the cop accost the reporter? That was outta line definitely, at least in my opinion.
I guess I just despise bullies, or actions that I think fall under that heading.
The duty to preserve one's self ought never be denied.
The accosting cop was way out of line and he will be the one that takes the fall. He has to be, he's the only one that you can say definitely broke protocol and a couple of laws. I would press charges if I were the reporter. They'd have to convict and he'd lose his job. Since I'm not that reporter and he wandered away from his buddies to come and accost ME, I woulda' thumped his * no doubt. They would of come looking for him and I woulda' just pointed down towards the front of that car where he lay unconscious. "What happened?" one of them ask me. "I don't know, I thought maybe that was what all the fuss was about. I just walked up and there he was." I say. "OK well shows over get out of here." "Yeah, sure thing. Hope your buddies OK, have a good evening." Time for a beer.
There are two kinds of people in this World....Those who lead....and those who get the hell out of the way...GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
The duty to preserve one's self ought never be denied.
Alright just when I think I've got it all figured out they go and totally confuse me. I filled out 2 4473's today, 1 old and 1 new, the new ones are better, anyway as I said I filled out two. I did this because if you recall I always get delayed. So I leave the first shop knowing he'll call me when I get a "proceed", I head to a second shop where I fill out another. While I'm still looking at the second shop the owner says "hey Jeff, they said to proceed." So I bought a Saiga AK-47, then when I get home the first shop calls and says it was a proceed. Now Ive bought a gun or two and always been delayed. Why the sudden change of heart. Any takers on whether I get delayed next tie or not. I'll bet I do.
There are two kinds of people in this World....Those who lead....and those who get the hell out of the way...GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
quote:Originally posted by Comengetit
Again, I just like having this around. You can randomly spout off about anything.
There are two kinds of people in this World....Those who lead....and those who get the hell out of the way...GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
We pretty much talked out almost everything lately. I hate to raise something back into a circle.
Let's see... Oh I know...
That new SC nominee.
I wish that they would start nominating people whose views conicide with their "constitutional law abilities".
A guy who is against abortion in his personal view, shouldn't be a US Justice. I don't care if he is used to living a Batman existence. It'll eventually bite him in the behind. His/her private/public face and life existence, if conflictory, is crap.
I would rather not have anyone for or against any issue on the court. I want people who believe in the law and who will uphold the constitution as the law of the land in a real sense. Not someone who believes that the constitution doesn't allow for his or her pet projects. (oh darn it, that's the way it is shucks)
THAT is not a judge. That is a human in conflict.
The duty to preserve one's self ought never be denied.
quote:A guy who is against abortion in his personal view, shouldn't be a US Justice. I don't care if he is used to living a Batman existence. It'll eventually bite him in the behind. His/her private/public face and life existence, if conflictory, is crap.
I think you are asking the impossible. These people are not robots, they will have personal opinions on the issues, and they are entitled. The trick is that they have to show a history of ruling by law, not by personal opinion. There are plenty of laws that I believe are stupid and wrong, but if they were adopted through legal means then they are the law. Just because I don't like them doesn't mean I don't have to obey them.
Same with the Supreme Court. A justice can personally believe that abortion (or any other issue) is right or wrong, but their job is to apply the correct legal interpretation within the bounds of the Constitution. For example, a justice could personally believe that guns are dangerous and evil, but the 2nd Amendment grants citizens the right to keep and bear arms. Therefore the justices should be bound by the Constitution to make their decisions in that context. Unfortunately there have been too many justices that have not been separating their personal beliefs from their professional responsibility.
I think that John Roberts did an excellent job of riding this boundary during the confirmation process. He seems to clearly understand this distinction and the duties of his position.
JMHO,
-WW
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"If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced Patriots to prevent its ruin."
-Samuel Adams, Patriot/Brewer
Now, we have spoken several times of the 20,000+ gun laws on the books and WW brings up the point that quote:There are plenty of laws that I believe are stupid and wrong, but if they were adopted through legal means then they are the law. Just because I don't like them doesn't mean I don't have to obey them., if it is believed beyond any doubt that the law in question is unconstitutional, you do not have to abide by such a law. There have been several court cases involving guns where the judge has specifically stated this to apply to all Americans. If the laws is deemed to be an illegal or unconstitutional law then you may ignore it. This does not mean that you will not be arrested anyway, only that you may avoid it.
What in the HAIRY walnuts is that about? A district court judge, in their official ruling, states that if a rule is.....we do not have to abide by it, but we can still be arrested. What the hell does that mean? It's a nice way of saying, we have been bent over the barrel. More.....
There are two kinds of people in this World....Those who lead....and those who get the hell out of the way...GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
quote:Originally posted by WoundedWolf
quote:A guy who is against abortion in his personal view, shouldn't be a US Justice. I don't care if he is used to living a Batman existence. It'll eventually bite him in the behind. His/her private/public face and life existence, if conflictory, is crap.
I think you are asking the impossible. These people are not robots, they will have personal opinions on the issues, and they are entitled. The trick is that they have to show a history of ruling by law, not by personal opinion. There are plenty of laws that I believe are stupid and wrong, but if they were adopted through legal means then they are the law. Just because I don't like them doesn't mean I don't have to obey them.
Same with the Supreme Court. A justice can personally believe that abortion (or any other issue) is right or wrong, but their job is to apply the correct legal interpretation within the bounds of the Constitution. For example, a justice could personally believe that guns are dangerous and evil, but the 2nd Amendment grants citizens the right to keep and bear arms. Therefore the justices should be bound by the Constitution to make their decisions in that context. Unfortunately there have been too many justices that have not been separating their personal beliefs from their professional responsibility.
I think that John Roberts did an excellent job of riding this boundary during the confirmation process. He seems to clearly understand this distinction and the duties of his position.
JMHO,
-WW
MOEUN EABE
"If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced Patriots to prevent its ruin."
-Samuel Adams, Patriot/Brewer
I agree with you about J. Roberts. He seems like the kind of person who possibly has mastered his biases. That is esentially what I am talking about.
That which you don't master, masters you. That's why I would rather have people who aren't even inclined to let their personal opinions, biases, and sentiments made public as sitting justices.
It isn't that it is impossible. It is just rare.
In the Roberts example, it may be the case that he is aware that emotions and sentiments produce bias. Perhaps he has those things under control within himself. We could hope for nothing better.
And of course I am guessing about Roberts. I am not really sure about him myself. So I don't really endorse him.
But it is right that senators and etc., question them closely to see how they react, and think, in order to determine if anyone would slip a legal mickey into the brew, so to speak.
The duty to preserve one's self ought never be denied.
On one of your first points (please don't take me as overly picky here) you mention laws that may not be right yet we all have to obey them.
You are esentially right about that, in the sense of if you don't obey them you run the risk of the "sanction".
The only thing we can do is run the remedy routine, and that means civil suit or publications to attempt a repeal.
As far as federal law in relation to states issues are concerned, I am sure that you are aware that many laws need be ratified by states in order for them to have effect. A state usually resists by not complying or by sometimes creating laws that limit federal incursion.
But I am with you on what you said.
The duty to preserve one's self ought never be denied.
I am for both abortion rights and gun rights. I only separate them as two different non connected issues.
I never go black and white on these types of issues. My opinion is that only fools do. Why? because nothing in the world really is black and white. All that stuff lies between the ears of the perceiver.
Neither is more important than the other. They are all important.
we shouldn't bargain with them like the fatladys in congress. So I would think no, that we don't lay one off to the side for the sake of another. Especially, if they are non conflicting rights.
The duty to preserve one's self ought never be denied.
Lose your gun rights.
Watch the greatest act of 'abortion after the fact' you can possible imagine...even in your worst nightmares.
Perhaps everybody ought to review JPFO's startling findings of just WHERE gun control takes the people of ANY country that accepts it.
Go ahead. Allow this issue to divide us.
Watch the Elite giggle over it...
People...it is ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY to ferret out those willing to compromise/collaborate on gun control. They are NOT friends of the Second Amendment. They WEAKEN our Constitutional stand every time they open their mouths..or vote.
I urge all to chose their friends on how they stand on GUN CONTROL..because the day that final ban takes place..EVERY OTHER RIGHT IS ALSO GONE....THINK about it..please ?
quote:Originally posted by Highball
Lose your gun rights.
Watch the greatest act of 'abortion after the fact' you can possible imagine...even in your worst nightmares.
Perhaps everybody ought to review JPFO's startling findings of just WHERE gun control takes the people of ANY country that accepts it.
Go ahead. Allow this issue to divide us.
Watch the Elite giggle over it...
People...it is ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY to ferret out those willing to compromise/collaborate on gun control. They are NOT friends of the Second Amendment. They WEAKEN our Constitutional stand every time they open their mouths..or vote.
I urge all to chose their friends on how they stand on GUN CONTROL..because the day that final ban takes place..EVERY OTHER RIGHT IS ALSO GONE....THINK about it..please ?
The loss of our right to keep and bear arms will place us in the position of being an enslaved societym there is no doubt about that.
The duty to preserve one's self ought never be denied.
am- I think it goes far beyond just slavery, we're talking genocide in the face of rebellion. The JBT's will justify the killings as puting down an insurrection by crazy lunatics and the sheeple will be none the wiser. Look at Waco, out and out blatant murder, we even watched it live, how could they just walk away from it unscathed? Perception. Perception is everything and the govt. has specialists in creating just the right public perception whenever it needs.
Do you remember how stupid you thought the Iraqi people were, if they believed any of the crap coming out of the misInformation jerk on Iraqi TV. They knew no better, to them it was all fact. Perception is 90% of any battle, if the enemy thinks they are outnumbered or outgunned or losing, then they are. It's all how it is presented to them. The American people are no different, Ruby Ridge pissed them off for a day or two, only because the wife got shot while holding her baby, right. The govt. had painted this picture of these whack jobs in the mountains training with machine guns to take over the govt. It wasn't hard to spell away the discontent by labeling them as crazy.
There are two kinds of people in this World....Those who lead....and those who get the hell out of the way...GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
quote:Originally posted by Comengetit
am- I think it goes far beyond just slavery, we're talking genocide in the face of rebellion. The JBT's will justify the killings as puting down an insurrection by crazy lunatics and the sheeple will be none the wiser. Look at Waco, out and out blatant murder, we even watched it live, how could they just walk away from it unscathed? Perception. Perception is everything and the govt. has specialists in creating just the right public perception whenever it needs.
Do you remember how stupid you thought the Iraqi people were, if they believed any of the crap coming out of the misInformation jerk on Iraqi TV. They knew no better, to them it was all fact. Perception is 90% of any battle, if the enemy thinks they are outnumbered or outgunned or losing, then they are. It's all how it is presented to them. The American people are no different, Ruby Ridge pissed them off for a day or two, only because the wife got shot while holding her baby, right. The govt. had painted this picture of these whack jobs in the mountains training with machine guns to take over the govt. It wasn't hard to spell away the discontent by labeling them as crazy.
There are two kinds of people in this World....Those who lead....and those who get the hell out of the way...GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
Just remember, bud. That in the end superior tactics defeats superior forces. Small attack and maneuver elements were a pain in our tail in RVN and they are NOW in Iraq.
So if we suddenly find ourselves, common civilians that we are, in the condition that we are suspicious is coming, we will need to know our tactics, as well as "theirs".
The duty to preserve one's self ought never be denied.
quote:Originally posted by amsptcds
quote:Originally posted by Comengetit
am- I think it goes far beyond just slavery, we're talking genocide in the face of rebellion. The JBT's will justify the killings as puting down an insurrection by crazy lunatics and the sheeple will be none the wiser. Look at Waco, out and out blatant murder, we even watched it live, how could they just walk away from it unscathed? Perception. Perception is everything and the govt. has specialists in creating just the right public perception whenever it needs.
Do you remember how stupid you thought the Iraqi people were, if they believed any of the crap coming out of the misInformation jerk on Iraqi TV. They knew no better, to them it was all fact. Perception is 90% of any battle, if the enemy thinks they are outnumbered or outgunned or losing, then they are. It's all how it is presented to them. The American people are no different, Ruby Ridge pissed them off for a day or two, only because the wife got shot while holding her baby, right. The govt. had painted this picture of these whack jobs in the mountains training with machine guns to take over the govt. It wasn't hard to spell away the discontent by labeling them as crazy.
There are two kinds of people in this World....Those who lead....and those who get the hell out of the way...GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
Just remember, bud. That in the end superior tactics defeats superior forces. Small attack and maneuver elements were a pain in our tail in RVN and they are NOW in Iraq.
So if we suddenly find ourselves, common civilians that we are, in the condition that we are suspicious is coming, we will need to know our tactics, as well as "theirs".
The duty to preserve one's self ought never be denied.
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We know their tactics and they know ours. It won't be a surprise to anyone, it's just a shame it has to happen. Oh well, whatever will be will be.
There are two kinds of people in this World....Those who lead....and those who get the hell out of the way...GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
The Neo-Jedi Council\Order\Alliance is a group of members that are trying to clean up the boards and make this place a Troll and Moonbat free zone. red223 is mocking the council. They couldn't get in so they act like children.
There are two kinds of people in this World....Those who lead....and those who get the hell out of the way...GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
For those that suggested I read Unintended Consequences, I just wanted to let you know, I'm reading it now. You could have warned me that the book is 861 pages long. Good lord, that rivals War and Peace. Anyway, so far I am up to where Lt. Bowman is ready to fly his highly modified Stearman to St. Louis. The pace thus far is excellent and I think I can pretty much see what I'm being set up for, we shall see. Thanks for the recommendation. I only read about 100 pages per day or I get a headache so I'm done for the day. Can't wait to see what tomorrow brings. I found it kind of odd that John Ross skipped right over the NFA of 1934 and I didn't see a whole lot of significant talk about all of the posturing done in 1933. Perhaps it will be in the next 761 pages, I think I have time yet.
There are two kinds of people in this World....Those who lead....and those who get the hell out of the way...GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
Two bodies, one head, fields di-
vided into two,
And then answer to four unheard
ones,
Small for great ones, open evil for
them,
The tower of d'Aigues struck by
lightning, worse for Eussovis
As I break this down I get a very eerie feeling
about this quatrain. It's amost perfect in it's
prophesy, yet unsolved in the case of the two
cities. Is it possible that they are anagrams
or maybe they just sound like the English word
they represent. Two bodies, one head
this I believe represents the World Trade
Center. You'll make note that I said Center
not centers, thus making one head the
operative in this line, meaning under one name.
Fields divided into two this could be
interpreted to mean the plane that crashed in PA
split the earth metaphorically, of course, I tend
to believe that it represents the two crashes
at ground level, the Pentagon and PA fields.
And then answer to four unheard ones
there were four planes and nobody saw this coming,
no citizen that is[;)]. Small for great ones,
A relatively small occurrence in the scope of the
United States. open evil for them for the
first time in our history, evil was bestowed upon us at home.
The tower of d'Aigues struck by lightning, worse for Eussovis.
Could it be an anagram? A guides. And perhaps a
sounds like Eu-"U", ss-"S", ov-"of", is-"A", U S of A.
Meaning that as far as the towers go, "lightning strikes twice"
and then "worse for U S of A, the people not the country
Now that Patriot Act looks worse than it did yesterday.
NOSTRADAMUS' Quatrain XII 55
Sad Councils, Unfaithful and mali-
cious,
By ill advice the law be be-
trayed,
The people shall be moved, wild
and quarrelsome,
Both in country and city the place
shall be hated.
This is a picture of the consequences of bad laws and government, and
the ills that befall the people thereby. A prophetic description of the events
surrounding our current status here in the United States. I hyphenated
the French translation just as written for your own interpretations.
Another interesting bit is the numerical closeness of the two Quatrains.
XII 52 & XII 55 three or four years depending on how you wish to add, either starting with 52 or 53. Four years was the time set for the provisions of the Patriot Act to sunset.
Interesting, if nothing else.
There are two kinds of people in this World....Those who lead....and those who get the hell out of the way...GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
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Re; The 20 buck figure you refer to often..using that as the figure forever also relegates us to using black powder muskets forever...and also forgoing the power of the internet, along with tv, radio...ect...
The powers of the government is few..the powers of the people numerous.. At least that was the way it was supposed to be.
The Second Amendment CANNOT be interperted any way but one. The Founders had just gone thru a bloody, long conflict with a strong central government....they NEVER INTENDED to let it happen again. Several actually DID desire to form another, basically, dictatorship..but were voted down.
Yet I think they planted the seeds of self destruction within the Constitution itself...with examples such as you harp upon....
quote:Re; The 20 buck figure you refer to often..using that as the figure forever also relegates us to using black powder muskets forever...and also forgoing the power of the internet, along with tv, radio...ect...
I like this statement above, Highball. I think it shows the juxtaposition that in some cases it is advantageous to have a literal interpretation of the Constitution, but it can really bite us in the @ss in others. Either way, we must be consistent.
I think HVOF may have been right about touching a nerve with me. As I have said before, I don't doubt that our Constitution is a great document, or that it may even have been divinely inspired. However I believe it is important to remember that it was created by MEN, albeit great men, but men nonetheless with all the falliability and flaws as men of any generation or time.
Whenever I hear any literal fundementalist interpretation of any viewpoint, whether religous, political, or otherwise, I immediately begin to question it. No one is ever right (or wrong) 100% of the time. So when someone says that there is no room for interpretation, I know that there must be flaws in their logic somewhere. And, as I said, I have a bad habit of playing Devil's Advocate, even if I do not strongly agree or disagree with the given viewpoint.
quote:Yet I think they planted the seeds of self destruction within the Constitution itself...with examples such as you harp upon....
I hope you are wrong about that, Highball, but you may be right. As with many of you, I too cringe at the idea of the Constitution being a "Living Document". However, the Founders gave us the ability to amend the document. They knew that they were not all-knowing and all-seeing. And perhaps they also knew that their ideas would not always be relevant to future generations. So there have been and may be times when the Constitution needs to be changed. But what we see today are 3 branches of government that work outside of the document that gave them their powers. The demise of our nation will probably be caused by the inadequacy of our government, not the inadequacy of our founding document. If there is a way that the power of the Constitution can be put back into the hands of the people (to return accountability to our politicians), then perhaps there may still be hope.
-WW
MOΛΩN ΛABE
-Samuel Adams, Patriot/Brewer
Advocating change, in a land of 'milk and honey'..actually cake and arenas...gladiators and fast speed boats...is difficult at best.
Pointing out how far the Elites have steered us the US from the freedoms explicit and implicit contained in the Constitution...and advocating we go back to them is plainly frightening enough for the bulk of people...gets one the title of 'extremist', don't you know...
Talking about wholesale rewritting of that document would lose what small audience there is out there....
I am guilty of using the Constitution as a club..beating people about the heads and shoulders with it. I am also guilty of trying to place myself in the position of men that just beat the invulnerable central authority of its time...and the healthy distrust on giving too much power into too few hands....thusly giving the supreme power into the hands of the people, as the actual "Government" of America..
Contrast "A Government of the people, by the people, amd for the people"..with the government we have today....
ANT TIME one decides WHAT the Constitution says...One SHOULD decide in favor of the PEOPLE..not a corrupt government.
There are two kinds of people in this World.....Those that lead....And those that get the hell out of the way....GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
The gene pool needs chlorine.
Umm..okay..you are..on that bikini over there.....[:D]
My wife and I found this place by accident, we were flipping through channels on the TV and we stopped at this beautiful mountain waterfall, I said "that looks familiar." We continued to watch and found that we were watching a program on the Worlds Ten Most Spectacular Getaways. This was number 7 and that waterfall that looked so familiar? The same as in the beginning of 'Jurassic Park'. There are thousands of waterfalls as the central mountain corridor is the rainiest spot on earth. Here's a couple more:
This is the pathway (private of course) to your own beach.
Another section of the path.
One more piece of the path.
Consistency is the final refuge of the unimaginative
There are two kinds of people in this World....Those who lead....and those who get the hell out of the way...GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
...How about that new tape of NO cops beatin the heck out of a 64 yr old gang style and even pushing camera men away cuz they knew they were wrong.
...Those chimps down there are outta control. Not worthy of the uniform they wear.
The duty to preserve one's self ought never be denied.
Hey Comengetit!
...How about that new tape of NO cops beatin the heck out of a 64 yr old gang style and even pushing camera men away cuz they knew they were wrong.
...Those chimps down there are outta control. Not worthy of the uniform they wear.
The duty to preserve one's self ought never be denied.
I have to admit I hadn't heard that yet. But, it certainly fits the mentality. These guys are desperate to make the department look good and then they go out and do this? I know everbody dislikes a racist, but damn, they sure do give you plenty of reasons. When this type of stuff happens so regularly it's tough to not get caught in the racist trap. I know I am guilty of it. So how many white cops in the video? Really, huh, go figure. How many white cops were caught on film looting a store? Come on really, none again? You must be mistaken, surely they weren't all black. OH, BUT THEY WERE. No Snit!!!!
Someday they and we will realize that racism is a product of their actions and therefor are completely and totally justified. What is the difference between being a little leary of a black man and being strip searched at the airport? Not one God damn thing except we deal with it and move on. We realize that it is done as a result of actions taken by others. Do I question when I see Muslims getting on my plane? You're damn right I do. Is that racist? Then I am a racist. Now what?
There are two kinds of people in this World....Those who lead....and those who get the hell out of the way...GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
...It just saddens me that the so-called guardians of our laws and freedoms do not even make the attempt at becoming "excellent". They are mostly like scrub baseball players. They are, I believe, people who should have been screened out early on, but for the "desparateness" of police departments.
...They are the same old bullies that we have all met throughout our lives. Now they push people around in a uniform with a badge and a gun.
...I would NOT be shocked were I to hear of a coordinated assult with the use of deadly force against these *.
...I couldn't see much in the video, mostly 4 cops beatin on this guy. I believe he was white, but don't quote me. At the street they were on, the corner was really close. It appeared that 20 or more cops were right there at that spot. Check cnn.com..
well here: http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/10/09/taped.beatings.ap/index.html
...Standby for the bs justifications to fly around like bats.
Oh yeah, get this part. They slug him, he resists and they charge him with resisting. I ask you: What person is NOT going to resist violence?
...These jerks, more and more, are showing their true selves and their anger toward the public. They are showing us that there IS, after all, justification to believe that our local police may in fact be our enemy in disguise.
...Just for the sake of the public's fear and a notion of the term "justice", I would crucify those clowns with felonies so that they couldn't even get a security job at a high school.
Actually, I think it is time that the Justice Department step into NO for the sake of civil rights protections and the reining in of a police force out of control with attitude problems.
Its just my nickel.
quote:
I have to admit I hadn't heard that yet. But, it certainly fits the mentality. These guys are desperate to make the department look good and then they go out and do this? I know everbody dislikes a racist, but damn, they sure do give you plenty of reasons. When this type of stuff happens so regularly it's tough to not get caught in the racist trap. I know I am guilty of it. So how many white cops in the video? Really, huh, go figure. How many white cops were caught on film looting a store? Come on really, none again? You must be mistaken, surely they weren't all black. OH, BUT THEY WERE. No Snit!!!!
Someday they and we will realize that racism is a product of their actions and therefor are completely and totally justified. What is the difference between being a little leary of a black man and being strip searched at the airport? Not one God damn thing except we deal with it and move on. We realize that it is done as a result of actions taken by others. Do I question when I see Muslims getting on my plane? You're damn right I do. Is that racist? Then I am a racist. Now what?
There are two kinds of people in this World....Those who lead....and those who get the hell out of the way...GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
The duty to preserve one's self ought never be denied.
Someday they and we will realize that racism is a product of their actions and therefor are completely and totally justified. What is the difference between being a little leary of a black man and being strip searched at the airport? Not one God damn thing except we deal with it and move on. We realize that it is done as a result of actions taken by others. Do I question when I see Muslims getting on my plane? You're damn right I do. Is that racist? Then I am a racist. Now what?
There are two kinds of people in this World....Those who lead....and those who get the hell out of the way...GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
Actually, I think that "racial" notions are "natural' to all the human species. It is bad enough that we seem to be born into a world where the suspicion of the "other" is either genetic or embedded. Add to this that the "other" looks strange and different and you have racial identity. I mean: We DO have eyes, and we CAN tell the difference from one person to another. We shouldn't be surprised by this.
...In our society, at least, we make the effort to try to eliminate the antagonism that arises. But I would say that one cannot manifestly "legislate" a thing that asks humans to goagainst their nature. Only the well meaning and hard delving cross over the mountain, so to speak.
...If you look, you can see that this "otherness" suspicion grows exponentially outward as one looks beyond race to culture, to nation, to region, to world. I think it is quite natural to think in that fashion. But don't mistake me, I haven't equivocated the word 'natural' with the word 'right' or the word 'just'. I am simply pointing out the inclination.
...I watched on the boobtube today documented cases of Chimps (the real ones) hunting down other species and eating them. Not only did they eat the monkeys, but in a social, political fashion, they ONLY shared the meat with their best buds and family, to the exclusion of others.
FURTHER, I watched as this guy followed them on what he thought would be another "hunt: (he had done over 100 such hunts with them...following along that is) but it turned out that about 30 chimps hunted this one male chimp and beat him to death. So they perform murder.
...So... What? is it that we have on these chimps?
...In a world full of spazos and chicken littles, the prudence of being cautious around people of arab descent becomes the political correctness of the fools who are guided by their emotions and sentiments rather than their absent brains. Welcome to Rome.
The duty to preserve one's self ought never be denied.
quote:Originally posted by amsptcds
Hey Comengetit!
...How about that new tape of NO cops beatin the heck out of a 64 yr old gang style and even pushing camera men away cuz they knew they were wrong.
...Those chimps down there are outta control. Not worthy of the uniform they wear.
The duty to preserve one's self ought never be denied.
I have to admit I hadn't heard that yet. But, it certainly fits the mentality. These guys are desperate to make the department look good and then they go out and do this? I know everbody dislikes a racist, but damn, they sure do give you plenty of reasons. When this type of stuff happens so regularly it's tough to not get caught in the racist trap. I know I am guilty of it. So how many white cops in the video? Really, huh, go figure. How many white cops were caught on film looting a store? Come on really, none again? You must be mistaken, surely they weren't all black. OH, BUT THEY WERE. No Snit!!!! Well, if you post when you haven't seen the video, you're more than likely going to put your foot in your mouth and I did. This time I was wrong. This Time! There were three white cops and one darker skinned. The perp was black. Another Rodney King? I knew I took a gamble posting when I hadn't any idea of the story. That'll learn me[:I][B)][:0][8]
Someday they and we will realize that racism is a product of their actions and therefor are completely and totally justified. What is the difference between being a little leary of a black man and being strip searched at the airport? Not one God damn thing except we deal with it and move on. We realize that it is done as a result of actions taken by others. Do I question when I see Muslims getting on my plane? You're damn right I do. Is that racist? Then I am a racist. Now what?
There are two kinds of people in this World....Those who lead....and those who get the hell out of the way...GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
I guess I have now proven that I am. Well what can I say, these are the emotions that pour when all you see day after day is the same old thing. This one time they deserve my apology, nah.
There are two kinds of people in this World....Those who lead....and those who get the hell out of the way...GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
quote:Originally posted by Comengetit
quote:Originally posted by amsptcds
Hey Comengetit!
...How about that new tape of NO cops beatin the heck out of a 64 yr old gang style and even pushing camera men away cuz they knew they were wrong.
...Those chimps down there are outta control. Not worthy of the uniform they wear.
The duty to preserve one's self ought never be denied.
I have to admit I hadn't heard that yet. But, it certainly fits the mentality. These guys are desperate to make the department look good and then they go out and do this? I know everbody dislikes a racist, but damn, they sure do give you plenty of reasons. When this type of stuff happens so regularly it's tough to not get caught in the racist trap. I know I am guilty of it. So how many white cops in the video? Really, huh, go figure. How many white cops were caught on film looting a store? Come on really, none again? You must be mistaken, surely they weren't all black. OH, BUT THEY WERE. No Snit!!!! Well, if you post when you haven't seen the video, you're more than likely going to put your foot in your mouth and I did. This time I was wrong. This Time! There were three white cops and one darker skinned. The perp was black. Another Rodney King? I knew I took a gamble posting when I hadn't any idea of the story. That'll learn me[:I][B)][:0][8]
Someday they and we will realize that racism is a product of their actions and therefor are completely and totally justified. What is the difference between being a little leary of a black man and being strip searched at the airport? Not one God damn thing except we deal with it and move on. We realize that it is done as a result of actions taken by others. Do I question when I see Muslims getting on my plane? You're damn right I do. Is that racist? Then I am a racist. Now what?
There are two kinds of people in this World....Those who lead....and those who get the hell out of the way...GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
I guess I have now proven that I am. Well what can I say, these are the emotions that pour when all you see day after day is the same old thing. This one time they deserve my apology, nah.
There are two kinds of people in this World....Those who lead....and those who get the hell out of the way...GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
hehehe
The duty to preserve one's self ought never be denied.
and now they're pleading not guilty.
Cops.. caught on tape.. then lying about what the whole world can see.
WOW!!! I'm impressed.
duhdudhdudhdud derf...
The duty to preserve one's self ought never be denied.
There are two kinds of people in this World....Those who lead....and those who get the hell out of the way...GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
Big shocker there. They saw the film and realized that there is no rolling at the beginning, so you don't know what the other guy did. They'll make up some BS and get off. Then since they're white, we'll have another South Central L.A. on our hands. Rodney King anyone?
There are two kinds of people in this World....Those who lead....and those who get the hell out of the way...GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
...I hear what you are saying: we don't know what really brought it on. But ask yourself: If you were a New Orleans resident, knowing what your police did and what they are like, would you trust them if they approached you as a first reflex?
...I just don't think I could.
Didja see the cop accost the reporter? That was outta line definitely, at least in my opinion.
I guess I just despise bullies, or actions that I think fall under that heading.
The duty to preserve one's self ought never be denied.
quote:Originally posted by Comengetit
Big shocker there. They saw the film and realized that there is no rolling at the beginning, so you don't know what the other guy did. They'll make up some BS and get off. Then since they're white, we'll have another South Central L.A. on our hands. Rodney King anyone?
There are two kinds of people in this World....Those who lead....and those who get the hell out of the way...GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
...I hear what you are saying: we don't know what really brought it on. But ask yourself: If you were a New Orleans resident, knowing what your police did and what they are like, would you trust them if they approached you as a first reflex?
...I just don't think I could.
Didja see the cop accost the reporter? That was outta line definitely, at least in my opinion.
I guess I just despise bullies, or actions that I think fall under that heading.
The duty to preserve one's self ought never be denied.
The accosting cop was way out of line and he will be the one that takes the fall. He has to be, he's the only one that you can say definitely broke protocol and a couple of laws. I would press charges if I were the reporter. They'd have to convict and he'd lose his job. Since I'm not that reporter and he wandered away from his buddies to come and accost ME, I woulda' thumped his * no doubt. They would of come looking for him and I woulda' just pointed down towards the front of that car where he lay unconscious. "What happened?" one of them ask me. "I don't know, I thought maybe that was what all the fuss was about. I just walked up and there he was." I say. "OK well shows over get out of here." "Yeah, sure thing. Hope your buddies OK, have a good evening." Time for a beer.
There are two kinds of people in this World....Those who lead....and those who get the hell out of the way...GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
quote:Originally posted by Comengetit
quote:Originally posted by amsptcds
quote:Originally posted by Comengetit
Big shocker there. They saw the film and realized that there is no rolling at the beginning, so you don't know what the other guy did. They'll make up some BS and get off. Then since they're white, we'll have another South Central L.A. on our hands. Rodney King anyone?
There are two kinds of people in this World....Those who lead....and those who get the hell out of the way...GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
...I hear what you are saying: we don't know what really brought it on. But ask yourself: If you were a New Orleans resident, knowing what your police did and what they are like, would you trust them if they approached you as a first reflex?
...I just don't think I could.
Didja see the cop accost the reporter? That was outta line definitely, at least in my opinion.
I guess I just despise bullies, or actions that I think fall under that heading.
The duty to preserve one's self ought never be denied.
The accosting cop was way out of line and he will be the one that takes the fall. He has to be, he's the only one that you can say definitely broke protocol and a couple of laws. I would press charges if I were the reporter. They'd have to convict and he'd lose his job. Since I'm not that reporter and he wandered away from his buddies to come and accost ME, I woulda' thumped his * no doubt. They would of come looking for him and I woulda' just pointed down towards the front of that car where he lay unconscious. "What happened?" one of them ask me. "I don't know, I thought maybe that was what all the fuss was about. I just walked up and there he was." I say. "OK well shows over get out of here." "Yeah, sure thing. Hope your buddies OK, have a good evening." Time for a beer.
There are two kinds of people in this World....Those who lead....and those who get the hell out of the way...GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
The duty to preserve one's self ought never be denied.
There are two kinds of people in this World....Those who lead....and those who get the hell out of the way...GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
There are two kinds of people in this World....Those who lead....and those who get the hell out of the way...GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
Again, I just like having this around. You can randomly spout off about anything.
There are two kinds of people in this World....Those who lead....and those who get the hell out of the way...GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
We pretty much talked out almost everything lately. I hate to raise something back into a circle.
Let's see... Oh I know...
That new SC nominee.
I wish that they would start nominating people whose views conicide with their "constitutional law abilities".
A guy who is against abortion in his personal view, shouldn't be a US Justice. I don't care if he is used to living a Batman existence. It'll eventually bite him in the behind. His/her private/public face and life existence, if conflictory, is crap.
I would rather not have anyone for or against any issue on the court. I want people who believe in the law and who will uphold the constitution as the law of the land in a real sense. Not someone who believes that the constitution doesn't allow for his or her pet projects. (oh darn it, that's the way it is shucks)
THAT is not a judge. That is a human in conflict.
The duty to preserve one's self ought never be denied.
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I think you are asking the impossible. These people are not robots, they will have personal opinions on the issues, and they are entitled. The trick is that they have to show a history of ruling by law, not by personal opinion. There are plenty of laws that I believe are stupid and wrong, but if they were adopted through legal means then they are the law. Just because I don't like them doesn't mean I don't have to obey them.
Same with the Supreme Court. A justice can personally believe that abortion (or any other issue) is right or wrong, but their job is to apply the correct legal interpretation within the bounds of the Constitution. For example, a justice could personally believe that guns are dangerous and evil, but the 2nd Amendment grants citizens the right to keep and bear arms. Therefore the justices should be bound by the Constitution to make their decisions in that context. Unfortunately there have been too many justices that have not been separating their personal beliefs from their professional responsibility.
I think that John Roberts did an excellent job of riding this boundary during the confirmation process. He seems to clearly understand this distinction and the duties of his position.
JMHO,
-WW
MOΛΩN ΛABE
-Samuel Adams, Patriot/Brewer
Now, we have spoken several times of the 20,000+ gun laws on the books and WW brings up the point that quote:There are plenty of laws that I believe are stupid and wrong, but if they were adopted through legal means then they are the law. Just because I don't like them doesn't mean I don't have to obey them., if it is believed beyond any doubt that the law in question is unconstitutional, you do not have to abide by such a law. There have been several court cases involving guns where the judge has specifically stated this to apply to all Americans. If the laws is deemed to be an illegal or unconstitutional law then you may ignore it. This does not mean that you will not be arrested anyway, only that you may avoid it.
What in the HAIRY walnuts is that about? A district court judge, in their official ruling, states that if a rule is.....we do not have to abide by it, but we can still be arrested. What the hell does that mean? It's a nice way of saying, we have been bent over the barrel. More.....
There are two kinds of people in this World....Those who lead....and those who get the hell out of the way...GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
quote:A guy who is against abortion in his personal view, shouldn't be a US Justice. I don't care if he is used to living a Batman existence. It'll eventually bite him in the behind. His/her private/public face and life existence, if conflictory, is crap.
I think you are asking the impossible. These people are not robots, they will have personal opinions on the issues, and they are entitled. The trick is that they have to show a history of ruling by law, not by personal opinion. There are plenty of laws that I believe are stupid and wrong, but if they were adopted through legal means then they are the law. Just because I don't like them doesn't mean I don't have to obey them.
Same with the Supreme Court. A justice can personally believe that abortion (or any other issue) is right or wrong, but their job is to apply the correct legal interpretation within the bounds of the Constitution. For example, a justice could personally believe that guns are dangerous and evil, but the 2nd Amendment grants citizens the right to keep and bear arms. Therefore the justices should be bound by the Constitution to make their decisions in that context. Unfortunately there have been too many justices that have not been separating their personal beliefs from their professional responsibility.
I think that John Roberts did an excellent job of riding this boundary during the confirmation process. He seems to clearly understand this distinction and the duties of his position.
JMHO,
-WW
MOEUN EABE
-Samuel Adams, Patriot/Brewer
I agree with you about J. Roberts. He seems like the kind of person who possibly has mastered his biases. That is esentially what I am talking about.
That which you don't master, masters you. That's why I would rather have people who aren't even inclined to let their personal opinions, biases, and sentiments made public as sitting justices.
It isn't that it is impossible. It is just rare.
In the Roberts example, it may be the case that he is aware that emotions and sentiments produce bias. Perhaps he has those things under control within himself. We could hope for nothing better.
And of course I am guessing about Roberts. I am not really sure about him myself. So I don't really endorse him.
But it is right that senators and etc., question them closely to see how they react, and think, in order to determine if anyone would slip a legal mickey into the brew, so to speak.
The duty to preserve one's self ought never be denied.
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On one of your first points (please don't take me as overly picky here) you mention laws that may not be right yet we all have to obey them.
You are esentially right about that, in the sense of if you don't obey them you run the risk of the "sanction".
The only thing we can do is run the remedy routine, and that means civil suit or publications to attempt a repeal.
As far as federal law in relation to states issues are concerned, I am sure that you are aware that many laws need be ratified by states in order for them to have effect. A state usually resists by not complying or by sometimes creating laws that limit federal incursion.
But I am with you on what you said.
The duty to preserve one's self ought never be denied.
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I never go black and white on these types of issues. My opinion is that only fools do. Why? because nothing in the world really is black and white. All that stuff lies between the ears of the perceiver.
Neither is more important than the other. They are all important.
we shouldn't bargain with them like the fatladys in congress. So I would think no, that we don't lay one off to the side for the sake of another. Especially, if they are non conflicting rights.
The duty to preserve one's self ought never be denied.
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Watch the greatest act of 'abortion after the fact' you can possible imagine...even in your worst nightmares.
Perhaps everybody ought to review JPFO's startling findings of just WHERE gun control takes the people of ANY country that accepts it.
Go ahead. Allow this issue to divide us.
Watch the Elite giggle over it...
People...it is ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY to ferret out those willing to compromise/collaborate on gun control. They are NOT friends of the Second Amendment. They WEAKEN our Constitutional stand every time they open their mouths..or vote.
I urge all to chose their friends on how they stand on GUN CONTROL..because the day that final ban takes place..EVERY OTHER RIGHT IS ALSO GONE....THINK about it..please ?
Lose your gun rights.
Watch the greatest act of 'abortion after the fact' you can possible imagine...even in your worst nightmares.
Perhaps everybody ought to review JPFO's startling findings of just WHERE gun control takes the people of ANY country that accepts it.
Go ahead. Allow this issue to divide us.
Watch the Elite giggle over it...
People...it is ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY to ferret out those willing to compromise/collaborate on gun control. They are NOT friends of the Second Amendment. They WEAKEN our Constitutional stand every time they open their mouths..or vote.
I urge all to chose their friends on how they stand on GUN CONTROL..because the day that final ban takes place..EVERY OTHER RIGHT IS ALSO GONE....THINK about it..please ?
The loss of our right to keep and bear arms will place us in the position of being an enslaved societym there is no doubt about that.
The duty to preserve one's self ought never be denied.
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Do you remember how stupid you thought the Iraqi people were, if they believed any of the crap coming out of the misInformation jerk on Iraqi TV. They knew no better, to them it was all fact. Perception is 90% of any battle, if the enemy thinks they are outnumbered or outgunned or losing, then they are. It's all how it is presented to them. The American people are no different, Ruby Ridge pissed them off for a day or two, only because the wife got shot while holding her baby, right. The govt. had painted this picture of these whack jobs in the mountains training with machine guns to take over the govt. It wasn't hard to spell away the discontent by labeling them as crazy.
There are two kinds of people in this World....Those who lead....and those who get the hell out of the way...GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
am- I think it goes far beyond just slavery, we're talking genocide in the face of rebellion. The JBT's will justify the killings as puting down an insurrection by crazy lunatics and the sheeple will be none the wiser. Look at Waco, out and out blatant murder, we even watched it live, how could they just walk away from it unscathed? Perception. Perception is everything and the govt. has specialists in creating just the right public perception whenever it needs.
Do you remember how stupid you thought the Iraqi people were, if they believed any of the crap coming out of the misInformation jerk on Iraqi TV. They knew no better, to them it was all fact. Perception is 90% of any battle, if the enemy thinks they are outnumbered or outgunned or losing, then they are. It's all how it is presented to them. The American people are no different, Ruby Ridge pissed them off for a day or two, only because the wife got shot while holding her baby, right. The govt. had painted this picture of these whack jobs in the mountains training with machine guns to take over the govt. It wasn't hard to spell away the discontent by labeling them as crazy.
There are two kinds of people in this World....Those who lead....and those who get the hell out of the way...GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
Just remember, bud. That in the end superior tactics defeats superior forces. Small attack and maneuver elements were a pain in our tail in RVN and they are NOW in Iraq.
So if we suddenly find ourselves, common civilians that we are, in the condition that we are suspicious is coming, we will need to know our tactics, as well as "theirs".
The duty to preserve one's self ought never be denied.
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quote:Originally posted by Comengetit
am- I think it goes far beyond just slavery, we're talking genocide in the face of rebellion. The JBT's will justify the killings as puting down an insurrection by crazy lunatics and the sheeple will be none the wiser. Look at Waco, out and out blatant murder, we even watched it live, how could they just walk away from it unscathed? Perception. Perception is everything and the govt. has specialists in creating just the right public perception whenever it needs.
Do you remember how stupid you thought the Iraqi people were, if they believed any of the crap coming out of the misInformation jerk on Iraqi TV. They knew no better, to them it was all fact. Perception is 90% of any battle, if the enemy thinks they are outnumbered or outgunned or losing, then they are. It's all how it is presented to them. The American people are no different, Ruby Ridge pissed them off for a day or two, only because the wife got shot while holding her baby, right. The govt. had painted this picture of these whack jobs in the mountains training with machine guns to take over the govt. It wasn't hard to spell away the discontent by labeling them as crazy.
There are two kinds of people in this World....Those who lead....and those who get the hell out of the way...GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
Just remember, bud. That in the end superior tactics defeats superior forces. Small attack and maneuver elements were a pain in our tail in RVN and they are NOW in Iraq.
So if we suddenly find ourselves, common civilians that we are, in the condition that we are suspicious is coming, we will need to know our tactics, as well as "theirs".
The duty to preserve one's self ought never be denied.
Neo-Jedi Order
Member
We know their tactics and they know ours. It won't be a surprise to anyone, it's just a shame it has to happen. Oh well, whatever will be will be.
There are two kinds of people in this World....Those who lead....and those who get the hell out of the way...GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
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There are two kinds of people in this World....Those who lead....and those who get the hell out of the way...GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
There are two kinds of people in this World....Those who lead....and those who get the hell out of the way...GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
Two bodies, one head, fields di-
vided into two,
And then answer to four unheard
ones,
Small for great ones, open evil for
them,
The tower of d'Aigues struck by
lightning, worse for Eussovis
As I break this down I get a very eerie feeling
about this quatrain. It's amost perfect in it's
prophesy, yet unsolved in the case of the two
cities. Is it possible that they are anagrams
or maybe they just sound like the English word
they represent. Two bodies, one head
this I believe represents the World Trade
Center. You'll make note that I said Center
not centers, thus making one head the
operative in this line, meaning under one name.
Fields divided into two this could be
interpreted to mean the plane that crashed in PA
split the earth metaphorically, of course, I tend
to believe that it represents the two crashes
at ground level, the Pentagon and PA fields.
And then answer to four unheard ones
there were four planes and nobody saw this coming,
no citizen that is[;)]. Small for great ones,
A relatively small occurrence in the scope of the
United States. open evil for them for the
first time in our history, evil was bestowed upon us at home.
The tower of d'Aigues struck by lightning, worse for Eussovis.
Could it be an anagram? A guides. And perhaps a
sounds like Eu-"U", ss-"S", ov-"of", is-"A", U S of A.
Meaning that as far as the towers go, "lightning strikes twice"
and then "worse for U S of A, the people not the country
Now that Patriot Act looks worse than it did yesterday.
NOSTRADAMUS' Quatrain XII 55
Sad Councils, Unfaithful and mali-
cious,
By ill advice the law be be-
trayed,
The people shall be moved, wild
and quarrelsome,
Both in country and city the place
shall be hated.
This is a picture of the consequences of bad laws and government, and
the ills that befall the people thereby. A prophetic description of the events
surrounding our current status here in the United States. I hyphenated
the French translation just as written for your own interpretations.
Another interesting bit is the numerical closeness of the two Quatrains.
XII 52 & XII 55 three or four years depending on how you wish to add, either starting with 52 or 53. Four years was the time set for the provisions of the Patriot Act to sunset.
Interesting, if nothing else.
There are two kinds of people in this World....Those who lead....and those who get the hell out of the way...GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
The duty to preserve one's self ought never be denied.
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What? ME worry?