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shootstrightshootstright Member Posts: 342 ✭✭✭
URGENT!!! URGENT!!!
-- House to Vote Soon On Granting FBI Unlimited Access To
Gun Sales Records

Gun Owners of America E-Mail Alert
8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102, Springfield, VA 22151
Phone: 703-321-8585 / FAX: 703-321-8408
http://www.gunowners.org

Thursday, November 17, 2005


Registration leads to confiscation. We all know that, and that is
why GOA has vehemently opposed all attempts by government forces to
compile or retain information pertaining to lawful firearms
purchases.

But in the name of fighting terrorism, the United States Congress is
getting ready to trample on the rights of law-abiding Americans, no
matter what the Constitution (and current law) happens to say.

The House will be voting as early as this Friday (tomorrow) on the
PATRIOT Act reauthorization bill (H.R. 3199). Congressmen have been
ironing out differences in the House and Senate versions of the bill
for quite some time, as GOA -- along with other interested
organizations -- has watched carefully to see what the House-Senate
conferees would produce.

Well, the product stinks.

GOA alerted you in June to the potential dangers in this legislation.
Unfortunately, the problems have remained in the bill, and it poses a
very dangerous threat to gun owners.

This LATEST version of this bill has yet to be posted on Thomas (the
legislative website for Congress) and, most likely, legislators won't
even have this language in front of them before they vote on it. As
has happened quite often, they MIGHT get a copy of the bill right
before they vote, but they will certainly not have time to read it.

That's why it's so important that you contact your Representative and
tell him that gun owners are VERY concerned with this legislation.

Capitol Hill sources have told GOA there is a provision in this bill
(Section 215) which would allow the FBI to get a secret court order
to seize ANY business records it believes would be relevant to an
anti-terrorism investigation... without having to make the case that
the gun records they're confiscating have any connection to a
suspected terrorist.

Hence, in the name of fighting terrorism, the FBI will be given a
license for unbridled fishing expeditions.

Gun sales are business transactions, and FFL holders must retain
copies of the 4473 forms (yellow sheets) filled out on every gun
sale. Thus, an anti-gun administration could easily determine that
such records would be useful in the fight against terrorism, and
demand them all.

But that's not all. More than just your gun purchase records are at
stake. Financial and medical records, library records and much more
will now be open to FBI fishing expeditions. They won't have to get
any prior court approval.

It gets worse. If the gun dealer, where you purchased firearms, is
required to hand over your gun purchase records, he is BARRED from
telling you about it under the PATRIOT Act.

So that dealer would be the ONLY person who could contest the action
before your life is raked over the coals... and honestly, how many
among us would risk everything rather than tell the feds who it was
that stopped by to pick up a Glock a couple of months ago?

Once the FBI has used these secret court orders to collect all gun
purchase records across the country, your friendly anti-gun but
oh-so-patriotic government would have brought about the gun owner's
second-worst-case scenario: a national firearms registration list.

Registration leads to confiscation.

This monstrosity must be stopped. Please take the action requested
below, and urge all freedom-loving Americans you know to do the same.

ACTION: Contact your Representative. Politely but firmly demand that
they oppose the conference version of the Patriot Act (H.R. 3199),
and specifically, its provision to allow secret court orders to
collect gun records.

You can use the pre-written message below and send it as an e-mail by
visiting the GOA Legislative Action Center at
http://www.gunowners.org/activism.htm (where phone and fax numbers
are also available).

Pre-written letter

Dear Representative:

The Patriot Act expansion bill (H.R. 3199) would allow the United
States government to seize every lawful gun sale record in the
country... solely on the basis of a bureaucrat's determination that a
national registry of gun owners would be useful in an anti-terrorism
investigation.

Registration leads to confiscation.

Section 215 of the bill allow agents of the federal government to get
secret court orders for any and all business records which, in their
opinion, are relevant to investigating terrorism.

Gun sales are business transactions, and FFL holders must retain
copies of the 4473 forms (yellow sheets) filled out on every gun
sale. Thus, an anti-gun administration could easily determine that
such records would be useful in the fight against terrorism, and
demand them all.

Even more ominous, the gun dealers would be required NOT to disclose
the existence of the investigation to their customers, meaning that
the dealer (rather than the gun purchaser) would be the only person
who could contest this action. And why should he risk his livelihood
on my behalf? This is massive gun control by simple executive fiat.

There is an illusory right to challenge the secrecy of the court
orders, but it's just that... an illusion. If the government claims
there is a national security issue at stake or that there's an
ongoing criminal investigation, then the FBI's fishing expedition can
remain a secret and remain unchallenged.

I believe that a national gun registry is a step this country cannot
afford to take, and one that the citizenry will not abide.

I would ask you, in the strongest terms, to oppose this Patriot Act
"reform" bill outright, and especially its secret court order
provision. Please vote against H.R. 3199.

Sincerely,

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    Red223Red223 Member Posts: 7,946
    edited November -1
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    ComengetitComengetit Member Posts: 1,170 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    email sent to reps.


    There are two kinds of people in this World....Those who lead....and those who get the hell out of the way...GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
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    pickenuppickenup Member Posts: 22,844 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Here is todays GOA email.


    Senate Now Planning To Extend FBI Fishing Expeditions Into
    Gun Sales Records
    -- Even as opposition has begun to coalesce!

    Gun Owners of America E-Mail Alert
    8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102, Springfield, VA 22151
    Phone: 703-321-8585 / FAX: 703-321-8408
    http://www.gunowners.org


    ACTION: Things are happening in the Senate! If you have not
    contacted your Representative yet (as a result of yesterday's alert),
    here's your chance to contact your senators.

    There are six senators who have said they may be willing to
    filibuster this legislation -- and one of them has even committed to
    do so through the Thanksgiving recess. That's why it's imperative
    that you contact your two senators.

    Please urge them to oppose the conference version of the PATRIOT Act
    (H.R. 3199), and specifically, its provision to allow secret court
    orders to collect gun records.

    You can use the pre-written message at the bottom of this alert and
    send it as an e-mail by visiting the GOA Legislative Action Center at
    http://www.gunowners.org/activism.htm (where phone and fax numbers
    are also available).


    Friday, November 18, 2005


    Gun Owners of America contacted you yesterday about H.R. 3199, which
    will expand the ability of the FBI to compile a registration list of
    gun purchase records.

    The Senate is now planning to vote on this PATRIOT Act
    reauthorization bill as soon as Saturday, as Majority Leader Bill
    Frist is trying to ram the bill through the Senate before it recesses
    before Thanksgiving.

    Under current law, Section 215 of the PATRIOT Act allows the FBI to
    get secret court orders to seize ANY business records it believes
    would be relevant to an anti-terrorism investigation... without
    having to make the case that the records they're confiscating have
    any connection to a suspected terrorist.

    All along, the concern has been that "business records" can be
    interpreted to mean "gun records." The FBI has been making this
    assertion already, even though federal law doesn't specifically state
    they have the authority to do so. (In fact, the McClure-Volkmer law
    states that the feds cannot retain firearms records at all.)

    Well, H.R. 3199 would change all that. The bill clearly states that
    "firearms sales records" are now fair game for the FBI, in essence,
    overturning the prohibition on gun registration.

    But if H.R. 3199 were to be defeated, two things would happen:

    1. The FBI would lose the ability to point to federal law and say
    that they can get a secret court order to grab your "firearms sales
    records," and,

    2. Section 215 of the PATRIOT Act would sunset entirely, which means
    the FBI won't be able to get secret court orders for ANY of your
    records (including medical, library, financial, etc.).

    Unfortunately, H.R. 3199 allows Section 215 to continue for another
    seven years, when it would then "sunset." But seven years is too
    long to allow these FBI fishing expeditions to continue.

    Similar to yesterday, please use the pre-written letter below to
    direct your comments to your Senators, and urge all freedom-loving
    Americans you know to do the same.

    Pre-written letter

    Dear Senator:

    The PATRIOT Act expansion bill (H.R. 3199) would allow the United
    States government to seize every lawful gun sale record in the
    country... solely on the basis of a bureaucrat's determination that a
    national registry of gun owners would be useful in an anti-terrorism
    investigation.

    Registration leads to confiscation.

    H.R. 3199 amends Section 215 of the PATRIOT Act to allow agents of
    the federal government to get secret court orders for "firearms sales
    records" which, in their opinion, are relevant to investigating
    terrorism.

    FFL holders must retain copies of the 4473 forms (yellow sheets)
    filled out on every gun sale. Thus, an anti-gun administration could
    easily determine that such records would be useful in the fight
    against terrorism, and demand them all.

    Even more ominous, the gun dealers would be required NOT to disclose
    the existence of the investigation to their customers, meaning that
    the dealer (rather than the gun purchaser) would be the only person
    who could contest this action. And why should he risk his livelihood
    on my behalf? This is massive gun control by simple executive fiat.


    There is an illusory right to challenge the secrecy of the court
    orders, but it's just that... an illusion. If the government claims
    there is a national security issue at stake or that there's an
    ongoing criminal investigation, then the FBI's fishing expedition can
    remain a secret and remain unchallenged.

    I believe that a national gun registry is a step this country cannot
    afford to take, and one that the citizenry will not abide.

    I would ask you, in the strongest terms, to oppose this PATRIOT Act
    "reform" bill outright. Please vote against H.R. 3199 and support
    any effort to filibuster it as well.

    Sincerely,


    The gene pool needs chlorine.
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    KYfatboyKYfatboy Member Posts: 859 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Email sent.

    parabellem
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