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New Federal law for retired and off duty cops...

DefenderDefender Member Posts: 1,772 ✭✭✭✭✭
I am watching the Chicago Police Department's refusal to certify their honorably retired cops so they may carry a firearms in Illinois or any other state. Mayor Daley hates all gun-rights and that new law. Daley wants any retired cop carrying a firearms to be imprisoned for the felony violation there.

Daley is under investigation and may soon find himself where he belongs serving seroius time.



Defender
Private investigator licensed in AZ & CA that specializes in self defense cases.
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  • gunphreakgunphreak Member Posts: 1,791 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Nice... but still not what I would call "OK.

    Cops are just people. I don't give a damn about their training, or their former title. Giving someone rights forbidden to the rest is still evil... period.

    Death to Tyrants!!!
    Lev 26:14-39

    Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.

    Luke 22:36.

    "Mirror Mirror on the wall. Who's the ugliest one of all?"

    -Janet Reno, the Butcher of Waco.
  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    Yup;
    Cops ain't God...and retired cops are no better then me or you.

    I drew a lot of flack over the "Mandatory death penalty " for a cop-killer.

    Exactly the same procedure used by any two-bit dictator in history....protect his men against all comers.

    Their lives are 'WORTH' more then us unwashed masses....
  • DefenderDefender Member Posts: 1,772 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    This kind of crap put cops on our side for sure on the gun issue...

    If we don't protect cops rights who will protect ours?

    We need to fight fot them and let them know we care.

    Defender
    Private investigator licensed in AZ & CA that specializes in self defense cases.
  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    Sorry, Defender;
    If the Constitution ISN'T ENOUGH..take your cops and shove them.
  • DefenderDefender Member Posts: 1,772 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Highball
    Sorry, Defender;
    If the Constitution ISN'T ENOUGH..take your cops and shove them.


    The Constitution is NOT enough because the US Supreme Court so far has gotten away with not protecting our Second Amendment rights. Gun rights have been reduced to the political mess we have. We need all the help we can get in order to see our rights prevail. That means get help from Gays, abortion lovers, or who ever we can get support from.

    Defender
    Private investigator licensed in AZ & CA that specializes in self defense cases.
  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    I will defend an honest Peace Officer to the end.

    Giving Police special privledges because of their jobs makes about as much sense as the "Manufacturers Protection Bill " does...slapping a band-aid over a rotting,stinking superating cancer of general stupidity and apathy of the general populace.

    NEVER defend the Constitution...just wire around it..so the Elites can laugh themselves sick as they watch the people THEMSELVES demand the destruction of that document....TOO STUPID TO HOLD IT UP AND SHOVE IT DOWN THE THROATS OF THE MASTERS....
  • DefenderDefender Member Posts: 1,772 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    We can defend the Constitution with mere words all we want. It's like pounding your head against a wall. The only other choice is to make war against the thieves of liberty.

    That's in a place stacked with illegal immigrants, the ignorant, and all the free loaders who suck the taxes and lifeblood out of this broken country. Far too many people now in this country have no clue what real liberty and freedom is all about. I don't think they really care either as long as there's free money here.

    Our government sits by printing money backed with nothing at all. It's just a matter of time when this whole mess falls apart. With any luck a few of us will still have some arms so we can rebuild this country like is was before the Bolsheviks gained so much power.


    Defender
    Private investigator licensed in AZ & CA that specializes in self defense cases.
  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    "Mere Words" are the bullets of this time. "Mere Words"...we cannot even agree amoung ourselves..even those of us intelligent enough to recognize America is in real trouble...

    "Mere Words" will must needs suffice..for the present. Those words dropping here and there serve to stiffen resistance...and serve to demonstrate that "One is not alone"....as time travels along the path of destruction of freedom...those "Mere Words" come back to the minds of more and more people.

    The thing about words are....getting people past the shock of plain, unvarnished facts and figures...not covered with suger coating to make them sound better, and SOOOOO much easier to cover lies with...
  • CHGOTHNDERCHGOTHNDER Member Posts: 8,932 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Daley SUCKS...

    PJ

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    If nobody seen you do it, how could you have done it. NRA BENEFACTOR-LIFE Member, AF&AM, Shriner Life Member, A.B.A.T.E. of Illinois "Chicago Chapter" Founding Member & Board Member
  • salzosalzo Member Posts: 6,837
    edited November -1
    The way the sheep fall for the wool being pulled in front of their eyes-it would be funny if it wasnt so damn sad.
    We have been told, and many believe that Republicans are pro second amendment/gun rights, and the Democrats want to take your guns away. Now we have a congress controlled by Republicans, and the executive occupied by a Republican, and what have they done for gun rights?-Nothing.
    But they convince enough of the sheep that legislation like allowing cops to carry anywhere, and the gun industry protection bill, are "victories" for gun rights, and gun owners.
    When they passed the legislation allowing cops and former cops to carry anywhere in the country, I didnt rejoice, I was offended. The Republicans, who are supposedely pro gun, do not give "the people" permission to exercise their rights, but give people who work, or worked for government the power to carry anywhere. I heard many sheeple say this was a stepping stone-how sad, they actually believe it. And the Republican party rejoices, because they a appear to many to be pro gun rights-when all they did was empower government.
    The gun industry protection bill, was nothing but a bill designed to protect the GOPs main interest-big business. Again,. they were perfectly happy with the appearance that they were helping gun rights-but they didnt-but the appearance certainly is a bonus. They convince enough sheeple that their big business, big government legislation is pro gun.

    "Waiting tables is what you know, making cheese is what I know-lets stick with what we know!"
    -Jimmy the cheese man
  • salzosalzo Member Posts: 6,837
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Defender

    The Constitution is NOT enough because the US Supreme Court so far has gotten away with not protecting our Second Amendment rights.

    You certainly seem like someone who worships at the altar of the courts. You wait with baited breath for the court to grant you rights. Very sad.
    It is not the courts fault that the second amendment isnt "protected", it is the peoples fault for allowing government to take those rights under the second away from us.

    "Waiting tables is what you know, making cheese is what I know-lets stick with what we know!"
    -Jimmy the cheese man
  • gunphreakgunphreak Member Posts: 1,791 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:When they passed the legislation allowing cops and former cops to carry anywhere in the country, I didnt rejoice, I was offended. The Republicans, who are supposedely pro gun, do not give "the people" permission to exercise their rights, but give people who work, or worked for government the power to carry anywhere.

    Exactly!!!

    quote:The gun industry protection bill, was nothing but a bill designed to protect the GOPs main interest-big business.

    Once more... exactly.

    quote:It is not the courts fault that the second amendment isnt "protected", it is the peoples fault for allowing government to take those rights under the second away from us.


    Third time's a charm.... exactly.

    Death to Tyrants!!!
    Lev 26:14-39

    Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.

    Luke 22:36.

    "Mirror Mirror on the wall. Who's the ugliest one of all?"

    -Janet Reno, the Butcher of Waco.
  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    Salzo swings a VERY sharp sword.
    That sword cuts to pieces specious arguments... a nice bit of reality, there in his post.

    Nowhere more clearly can one understand the gains the Socialists make daily..as the so-called 'Pro-Gunners' carry the water for them.
  • KYfatboyKYfatboy Member Posts: 859 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I must agree with highball. I do respect honest police officers. However, just because they are retired, or even off duty, does not give them more rights than the avrage citizen. All should have the option of carrying concealed no permit needed. Although I will agree with defender, that this action by chicago puts more police offficers on our side of things.

    www.templeofthesith.com Dark lord of the sith.
  • dsmithdsmith Member Posts: 902 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The NRA talks about "supporting the cops." It says in the Bible that a servant can't serve two masters. The NRA is either on the side of the cops who enforce the unconstitutional laws, or on the side of the people. Sadly, they are on the side of the government, and encourage the unconstitutional laws to be enforced.
  • gunphreakgunphreak Member Posts: 1,791 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    dsmith swings a pretty nasty sword, himself.....

    Death to Tyrants!!!
    Lev 26:14-39

    Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.

    Luke 22:36.

    "Mirror Mirror on the wall. Who's the ugliest one of all?"

    -Janet Reno, the Butcher of Waco.
  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    Once the truth starts leaking out...intelligent people keep picking at the threads until the unravling is complete.
  • dcinffxvadcinffxva Member Posts: 2,830 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    So many different angles and viewpoints......

    DSmith, cops are not here to interpret the laws they enforce, they are here to enforce the laws enacted by the elected legislators.

    For the ones who are upset that cops have been granted the right to carry, you sound like little kids whining that their brother got a bigger piece of cake. Be glad that they did, because it opens the door for others.

    For Gunphreak and Highball, your hostility towards law enforcement is just disturbing. Cops are one of the very few professions that get threatened with death or * harm on a daily basis. I've literally had hundreds of people over the years, usually drunks, tell me that they will kill me next time they see me. Obviously this hasn't happened yet, but it is nice to know that after I retire, should someone want to make good on this threat, that I don't need to hold up a "time-out" sign, and try to explain that I've retired, and they missed their opportunity to kill me when I was active duty.






    Ride Hard, Live Free, Never Surrender.
    J.S. Mosby
  • salzosalzo Member Posts: 6,837
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by dcinffxva
    For the ones who are upset that cops have been granted the right to carry,

    I dont think "granted the right" is appropriate. "granted the power" would be more accurate.
    People have "rights" government has "powers"- Cops, who are government, being given the authority to carry anywhere, is definately in the powers dept.

    "Waiting tables is what you know, making cheese is what I know-lets stick with what we know!"
    -Jimmy the cheese man
  • tr foxtr fox Member Posts: 13,856
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by dcinffxva
    So many different angles and viewpoints......

    DSmith, cops are not here to interpret the laws they enforce, they are here to enforce the laws enacted by the elected legislators.

    For the ones who are upset that cops have been granted the right to carry, you sound like little kids whining that their brother got a bigger piece of cake. Be glad that they did, because it opens the door for others.

    For Gunphreak and Highball, your hostility towards law enforcement is just disturbing. Cops are one of the very few professions that get threatened with death or * harm on a daily basis. I've literally had hundreds of people over the years, usually drunks, tell me that they will kill me next time they see me. Obviously this hasn't happened yet, but it is nice to know that after I retire, should someone want to make good on this threat, that I don't need to hold up a "time-out" sign, and try to explain that I've retired, and they missed their opportunity to kill me when I was active duty.






    Ride Hard, Live Free, Never Surrender.
    J.S. Mosby


    To save me the time of composing a reply of my own, I must say I have MUCH agreement with the above.

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  • dsmithdsmith Member Posts: 902 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I know that the cops aren't supposed to interpret the laws. But I do find it disturbing. In one of the surrounding areas, a man was arrested for converting some of his guns to fire full auto. Sentenced to a few years in prison. I find that the cops that arrested him are not the good people that they would have you believe. If for example, it were declared that you weren't allowed to have a rifle, the cops would arrest the people with hunting rifles. They may be ok people, but they are still just pawns for the government.
  • salzosalzo Member Posts: 6,837
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by tr fox
    quote:Originally posted by dcinffxva
    So many different angles and viewpoints......

    DSmith, cops are not here to interpret the laws they enforce, they are here to enforce the laws enacted by the elected legislators.

    For the ones who are upset that cops have been granted the right to carry, you sound like little kids whining that their brother got a bigger piece of cake. Be glad that they did, because it opens the door for others.

    For Gunphreak and Highball, your hostility towards law enforcement is just disturbing. Cops are one of the very few professions that get threatened with death or * harm on a daily basis. I've literally had hundreds of people over the years, usually drunks, tell me that they will kill me next time they see me. Obviously this hasn't happened yet, but it is nice to know that after I retire, should someone want to make good on this threat, that I don't need to hold up a "time-out" sign, and try to explain that I've retired, and they missed their opportunity to kill me when I was active duty.






    Ride Hard, Live Free, Never Surrender.
    J.S. Mosby


    To save me the time of composing a reply of my own, I must say I have MUCH agreement with the above.



    Of course you do! If there is anyone who swallows the NRA kool aid, it is you. And since the NRA supported the legislation, TR Fox has to be supportive.

    "Waiting tables is what you know, making cheese is what I know-lets stick with what we know!"
    -Jimmy the cheese man
  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    "Hostility to law enforcement".. ? Perhaps...

    Were you a "Peace Officer"..you would have my highest respect.
    I am sure you don't know the difference between the two....
    You see.."Law Enforcement" is swarms of agents, fanning out far and wide, doing the bidding of the Elites..Enforcing tens of millions of laws...most of them restricting the God-Given Freedoms of citizens..and fleecing those citizens of the cash necessary to feed a ravenous beast..government...

    A Peace Officer..his job is to keep the peace in a community..the guy you point out to your children to run to...

    As a "Law Enforcement Officer"...obviously you don't recognize that the Second Amendment is a RIGHT..given by God...to EVERY CITIZEN..and that you should be fighting for that RIGHT as part of your JOB...FOR EVERY CITIZEN...and not just for yourself.

    Perhaps you haven't studied enough history to realize that EVERY TYRANT wishes for 'his men' to be armed..ALWAYS..and the masses disarmed....
    I certainly understand your angst about my atitude..after all, even the NRA supposts only properous people carrying weapons..but since they push CCW's heavily..it is obvious they don't like the Constitution either.
  • tr foxtr fox Member Posts: 13,856
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by salzo
    quote:Originally posted by tr fox
    quote:Originally posted by dcinffxva
    So many different angles and viewpoints......

    DSmith, cops are not here to interpret the laws they enforce, they are here to enforce the laws enacted by the elected legislators.

    For the ones who are upset that cops have been granted the right to carry, you sound like little kids whining that their brother got a bigger piece of cake. Be glad that they did, because it opens the door for others.

    For Gunphreak and Highball, your hostility towards law enforcement is just disturbing. Cops are one of the very few professions that get threatened with death or * harm on a daily basis. I've literally had hundreds of people over the years, usually drunks, tell me that they will kill me next time they see me. Obviously this hasn't happened yet, but it is nice to know that after I retire, should someone want to make good on this threat, that I don't need to hold up a "time-out" sign, and try to explain that I've retired, and they missed their opportunity to kill me when I was active duty.






    Ride Hard, Live Free, Never Surrender.
    J.S. Mosby


    To save me the time of composing a reply of my own, I must say I have MUCH agreement with the above.



    Of course you do! If there is anyone who swallows the NRA kool aid, it is you. And since the NRA supported the legislation, TR Fox has to be supportive.

    "Waiting tables is what you know, making cheese is what I know-lets stick with what we know!"
    -Jimmy the cheese man


    My My Salzo. Such a personal insult. As if it matters. Here I post an opinion about a posted subject. Then you come back with an opinion about me. Maybe you had a sleepless night.

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  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    dcinffxva Posted - 12/18/2005 : 04:30:47 AM

    quote:For the ones who are upset that cops have been granted the right to carry, you sound like little kids whining that their brother got a bigger piece of cake.
    For Gunphreak and Highball, your hostility towards law enforcement is just disturbing.

    TRFox; Agreeing with the above post indicates that you stood in the crowd and cheered the "Personal Insults and name calling" perpetrated by dcinffxva....so let us not draw the cloak of shining innocence so rapidly over ourselves...
  • tr foxtr fox Member Posts: 13,856
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Highball
    dcinffxva Posted - 12/18/2005 : 04:30:47 AM

    quote:For the ones who are upset that cops have been granted the right to carry, you sound like little kids whining that their brother got a bigger piece of cake.
    For Gunphreak and Highball, your hostility towards law enforcement is just disturbing.

    TRFox; Agreeing with the above post indicates that you stood in the crowd and cheered the "Personal Insults and name calling" perpetrated by dcinffxva....so let us not draw the cloak of shining innocence so rapidly over ourselves...


    Well, I try to rarely "cheer the name calling and insults" because that makes everyone look "ugly". And I don't think there are many here that really like ourselves or others looking ugly.

    You will notice that in the post I made regarding dcinffxva's post I used the word "generally agree with". That should give me an out in that I don't support name calling and insults. And I hope I don't have a reputation here as being someone who will quickly and easily throw out or encourage and cheer others on to insults and name calling. So in that regard I would hope that people here who know me would give me the benefit of the doubt and automatically assume I did not support the insults and name calling you pointed out to me.

    But if Salzo did think I was cheering the name calling and insults (they were pretty mild though, don't you think) that might explain why he threw one at me when I don't think I have had any hostility with him before. At least not serious enough to the point I remember it.

    But Highball thanks for pointing that out. Maybe that is what I get for voicing partical support for a post. But some times that is just a quick and easy way to get into a thread.

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  • salzosalzo Member Posts: 6,837
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by tr fox
    But if Salzo did think I was cheering the name calling and insults (they were pretty mild though, don't you think) that might explain why he threw one at me when I don't think I have had any hostility with him before. At least not serious enough to the point I remember it.



    TRFOX- I am sorry, but I do not see anything insulting in my response. You have demonstrated over and over again that you think thAt the NRA is the bees knees. I would have thought you would have taken my comment as a compliment.
    If anything, I might have insulted the NRA.

    "Waiting tables is what you know, making cheese is what I know-lets stick with what we know!"
    -Jimmy the cheese man
  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    Aw right, aw right...most of us are men here...(not many ladies),,so let us get beyond the petty.
    Abrasive and abusive I personally am..but I expect better out of you well bred gentlemen...[:D] As a lower class human...one would EXPECT me to be abusive...[:0]

    No wonder the ANTI/S make such gains..the way we street fight ourselves.....
    I am PERFECTLY willing to cease firing immediately.. as soon as you'all adopt the position that ALL gun control is evil...and dealing with the devil ain't in our best interest...[:D][8D]
  • gunphreakgunphreak Member Posts: 1,791 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:For Gunphreak and Highball, your hostility towards law enforcement is just disturbing.

    Hostility?!?!? HOSTILITY!!!

    I speak out because I do not agree with giving people privileged status, and I'm being hostile toward them?!?!?

    What I find disturbing is that law enforcement didn't throw it back in the legislator's face and tell them, "NO!! Not unless honest people can do the same. I can't hold their hand everywhere they go, you know."

    Besides that, the threat of someone becoming a "cop-killer" and having the posse lynch them is enough to keep most bad guys thhe hell away from LEO's, anyway. The same isn't true for women, the elderly, or the small of stature, so eat that!!!

    Death to Tyrants!!!
    Lev 26:14-39

    Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.

    Luke 22:36.

    "Mirror Mirror on the wall. Who's the ugliest one of all?"

    -Janet Reno, the Butcher of Waco.
  • dcinffxvadcinffxva Member Posts: 2,830 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    To start out with, I will apologize for anyone who took the 'kids whining' statement to be a personal insult. It was not intended to be one. For the most part, I try and be respectful here.

    As far as being able to carry a firearm, or any other weapon for that matter, I believe that it is a Constitutionally granted right, not a God granted one. If it were a God granted right, then no government would have the ability to restrict it.

    I personally feel that anyone who is not a convicted felon, or domestic abuser should be deemed worthy of carrying whatever they want, within limitations. Just to clarify that point, I don't think a .50 BMG pistol is a self defense item. The reason being the danger to others when that round sails thru your opponent, and into houses and vehicles. If you want one, and fire it in a safe place, then go ahead. I don't think people should be allowed to carry a firearm when they are intoxicated, or using drugs that impair judgement or ability...legal or otherwise.

    I think full autos should not be restricted. I own a couple, and they are a lot of fun to shoot. I believe that if you own a large piece of land, and your idea of fun is to let cannonballs fly on the weekend, then by all means, go ahead.

    I do not believe that your rights to do anything should infringe on mine. If your cannonball sails thru my roof, then you should be held accountable, both criminally, and financially.

    Those things being said, my view of Law Enforcement is that I am here to protect those who are unable or unwilling to protect themselves, think for those who are unable, or unwilling to think for themselves, and act for those who are unwilling or unable to act for themselves.

    I will not disagree that there are plenty of bad cops. There always has been, and their always will be. We do our best to weed out the ones who are all too happy to go out and crack heads unnecessarily. Cops also make mistakes. Unfortunately sometimes they have very serious consequences. We do what we can to limit those incidents.

    All that being said, how did this topic turn from one on Chicago and Mayor Daley to a cop-bashing ?

    All that said, Merry Christmas to those who celebrate it, Happy Holidays to those who don't.



    Ride Hard, Live Free, Never Surrender.
    J.S. Mosby
  • KYfatboyKYfatboy Member Posts: 859 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    First let me say, the constituional rights are God granted, and goverment protected. The goverment infringment is unconstituional. Secondly you are right. People are people. Some are good, some are bad. Be they peace officers, chruch members, or politicians, oops strike that last one. I have nothing but respect for good honest peace officers. I have absoulutly no use for power hungry cops. There are A bunch. If A law is inacted, it is your duty to not inforce it if it is unconstituonal. People who cannot protect themselves need protecting. It does not nessecarily have to be A cop to do this. All people are equal. Just because one is A peace officer does not make them above the law, or more importantly the constituion. You think for people who cannot think for themselves, this statement really worry's me. As far as convicted felons, if you can't trust A person in society with A gun, keep him locked up. The lautenberg amendment, this is nothing more than A new way to keep folks from getting guns, and is A bunch of BS. I don't know you, but you statements do make me wonder. Cop bashing, I don't think so. JBT bashing yes definatley. From 1992 to 1997, I was A proud member of the alphabet gang. One cold sunday in march of 1997, while doing an SRT shakedown on visitors coming to visit their incarsrated family, I was patting down, and searching the car of A couple of old grandparents, while they held their very young grandson. I assume they were visiting their son, and bringing his son to see him. The little boy could not figure out why the man wearing black was patting down his papa, and searching his papa's car. Then it hit me. I had become that which I despised most. A JBT. In may of the same year I had another job. I am now proud to say I am A reformed former member of the alphabet gang.

    In hoc signo vincies
  • KYfatboyKYfatboy Member Posts: 859 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    And I will never ever be such A creature of unjustice again.quote:Originally posted by KYfatboy
    First let me say, the constituional rights are God granted, and goverment protected. The goverment infringment is unconstituional. Secondly you are right. People are people. Some are good, some are bad. Be they peace officers, chruch members, or politicians, oops strike that last one. I have nothing but respect for good honest peace officers. I have absoulutly no use for power hungry cops. There are A bunch. If A law is inacted, it is your duty to not inforce it if it is unconstituonal. People who cannot protect themselves need protecting. It does not nessecarily have to be A cop to do this. All people are equal. Just because one is A peace officer does not make them above the law, or more importantly the constituion. You think for people who cannot think for themselves, this statement really worry's me. As far as convicted felons, if you can't trust A person in society with A gun, keep him locked up. The lautenberg amendment, this is nothing more than A new way to keep folks from getting guns, and is A bunch of BS. I don't know you, but you statements do make me wonder. Cop bashing, I don't think so. JBT bashing yes definatley. From 1992 to 1997, I was A proud member of the alphabet gang. One cold sunday in march of 1997, while doing an SRT shakedown on visitors coming to visit their incarsrated family, I was patting down, and searching the car of A couple of old grandparents, while they held their very young grandson. I assume they were visiting their son, and bringing his son to see him. The little boy could not figure out why the man wearing black was patting down his papa, and searching his papa's car. Then it hit me. I had become that which I despised most. A JBT. In may of the same year I had another job. I am now proud to say I am A reformed former member of the alphabet gang.

    In hoc signo vincies


    In hoc signo vincies
  • flat8flat8 Member Posts: 887 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by dcinffxva


    As far as being able to carry a firearm, or any other weapon for that matter, I believe that it is a Constitutionally granted right, not a God granted one. If it were a God granted right, then no government would have the ability to restrict it.



    And that is why we are where we are today. The Founding Fathers had no doubt about where the right to defend one's life originated.

    JPFO Life Member
    www.jpfo.org
  • salzosalzo Member Posts: 6,837
    edited November -1
    There is no such thing as a "constitutionally granted right." We are created with an infinite amount of rights.
    Government by its nature, is not repsonsible for granting rights. Government, by its nature is responsible for limiting, or taking rights away.

    "Waiting tables is what you know, making cheese is what I know-lets stick with what we know!"
    -Jimmy the cheese man
  • pickenuppickenup Member Posts: 22,845 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Defender
    Daley is under investigation and may soon find himself where he belongs serving seroius time.
    We can only hope.

    The gene pool needs chlorine.
  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    dcinffxva;
    Much of what you wrote I agree with.

    You are absolutely wrong, however, about the Second Amendment. Those Rights were enumerated by the Founders as GOD GIVEN...NOT subject to trifling with by slimy little men in 1000 dollar suits.

    KyFatboy just revealed something powerful..that being ...DECENT men have bailed out of the abc agencies.

    As for 'cop bashing' ? I will bash ANYBODY that believes that cops should get special privleges...(Or politicians, or rich people,or..?)
  • Jim RauJim Rau Member Posts: 3,550
    edited November -1
    I agree that all who wish to should be able to go armed when and where they wish. It would make for a much safer world. But I see this HB 218 as a step in the right direction. I would like to see a national CCW law passed and if this one works out that is more ammo to get it extended to everyone. I have a total of 31+ years in Law enforcement (25+ full time plus 6 as a reserve officer) and I stay quilified so I guess I would realy piss Daley off if I go to Chi town!!![}:)]

    Self defence is an ablsolute and natural right. Keep your powder dry! J. Rau, Alaska
  • gunphreakgunphreak Member Posts: 1,791 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I'd like to see Daley in prison.... right next to that good-for-jack-$#!t gov. Blagowhatshisnuts. Traitors!!

    Death to Tyrants!!!
    Lev 26:14-39

    Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.

    Luke 22:36.

    "Mirror Mirror on the wall. Who's the ugliest one of all?"

    -Janet Reno, the Butcher of Waco.
  • nunnnunn Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 35,598 ******
    edited November -1
    quote:As for 'cop bashing' ? I will bash ANYBODY that believes that cops should get special privleges

    But cops do have "special privileges" don't they? Even if the ability to go armed is taken out of the argument?

    When was the last time you arrested anyone, detained anyone for questioning, wrote a traffic ticket?

    Would you remove those "privileges" from the police, or would you assume them for yourself?

    What about other "privileged" classes of people? Do you feel as qualified to design an office building as an architect? Do you believe you are competent to perform surgery?

    I'm not, and I will leave those tasks to those who are qualified, and "privileged" to perform those functions.

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  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    The "Special Privileges" I refer to are those granted to EVERY CITIZEN..by God...and removed from citizens at the direction of corrupt little men in the seat of power.

    Then reinstated to 'special classes of people'..those meeting this or that criteria.
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