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I hoped I'd never see this in my own country
Jeb Stuart
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http://www.gunowners.org/n102005.pdf
National Guard troops going door to door confiscating guns from law abiding citizens in New Orleans!! In recent posts I've heard people say that they believed that our Armed Forces would not obey an Unconstitutional order to enforce a ban on guns. This article shows that the truth is not what we hoped. Being from Oklahoma, I was saddened and ashamed to read that members of the Oklahoma National Guard took part in this crime. I guess there was no reason for me to expect more than this from my fellow Oklahomans; and I would advise the rest of you not to expect anything different from the rest of our countrymen.
Though conflicted by the orders, they still obeyed. I don't know about you, but I've got the same response for anyone who tries to take my guns, even if he tells me he is sorry as he does it.
National Guard troops going door to door confiscating guns from law abiding citizens in New Orleans!! In recent posts I've heard people say that they believed that our Armed Forces would not obey an Unconstitutional order to enforce a ban on guns. This article shows that the truth is not what we hoped. Being from Oklahoma, I was saddened and ashamed to read that members of the Oklahoma National Guard took part in this crime. I guess there was no reason for me to expect more than this from my fellow Oklahomans; and I would advise the rest of you not to expect anything different from the rest of our countrymen.
Though conflicted by the orders, they still obeyed. I don't know about you, but I've got the same response for anyone who tries to take my guns, even if he tells me he is sorry as he does it.
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I pray to God that I never live to see that day.....and if I do live to see it , I pray for the strength to do the right thing
HVOF
This kind of thing has been happening in the USA even before the 1968 gun control act . The old fart Senator Dodd from CT put upon us after he came back from the Nuremberg trials. His original bill in 1968 was almost verbatim of Hitler's gun control laws that disarmed the Jew's and others just before he pass the laws to pick all up all of the guns.
If you were a Jew or Gypsy caught with a firearm they could shoot you on the spot. This is done in one form or other even today . people being shot be cops for showing a gun . It has happened in my state more then once.[8D]
That would have turned my faith in the NRA completely around. it would also bring back the message "From my cold, dead fingers." and make it irrevocably stuck deep in the hearts of everyone.
Yeah, I know, it would also brand us terrorists...
I would have to agree with gunphreak.I do believe the group would be "branded" a terrorist(s)!A pt. to ponder:If a group did come to the aid after govt. sactioned gun grabbing that would be a Defensive action NOT a Offensive action!Most terrorist's actions ARE Offensive in nature(9/11 comes to mind) unless in direct military conflict i.e. Iraq and/or Afganistan.I'm sure that the powers-that-be would enlist the aid? of the media to put a terrorist "spin" on things.I find it hard to believe that the Gov. of Oklahoma allowed this to happen!!He did'nt have options?I know, it's more PC to just follow orders from the Govt. i.e.Pres.Bush.Just my 2 cents worth.
Something to think about, right here....
quote:I would have to agree with gunphreak.I do believe the group would be "branded" a terrorist(s)!A pt. to ponder:If a group did come to the aid after govt. sactioned gun grabbing that would be a Defensive action NOT a Offensive action!
That's right. But being right sometimes isn't enough. There are certain things that our fedgov congresscritters have done to make a society that is mindwiped, and extremely gullible, and stupid, to boot. No matter what, only free thinkers will see it for the lie that it is.
quote:Most terrorist's actions ARE Offensive in nature(9/11 comes to mind) unless in direct military conflict i.e. Iraq and/or Afganistan.I'm sure that the powers-that-be would enlist the aid? of the media to put a terrorist "spin" on things.I find it hard to believe that the Gov. of Oklahoma allowed this to happen!!He did'nt have options?I know, it's more PC to just follow orders from the Govt. i.e.Pres.Bush.Just my 2 cents worth
I know I'm not fully convinced we got the whole story on OKC. I'm not fully convinced about 9/11 yet. To me, there are many unanswered questions, and no one seems to be ready to let me in on the answers.
Propaganda is a high amount of this type of gov't. They have plainly shown whose side they're on, as well. (hint: not ours)
Until 38 States vote to ban all guns and to rewrite the second amendment to indicate the wishes of my fellow Americans, I won't be giving my guns to anyone. Even if that were to occur, I'm still conflicted as to whether they would be able to take my guns. So in the spirit of those who forged this great nation from nothing more than dirt, I say "Molon Labe". comengetit- out!
I don't honestly give a $#!t how many people or states vote to abolish the 2nd Amendment. They don't have the authority, and they can kiss my @$$.
You see....Admiting that 38 States have the RIGHT...to end MY rights..is admiting there is no God. God, you see..gives me the right to self defense.
Man does his level best to take that away..See...that gives him CONTROL over me...and you.
Get around this idea. By "Secularizing" the Bill of Rights..taking God out of the equasion, as many do today..then Rights are merely man given...and man taken away.
Pretty simple, really...by stoutly insisting there is no higher authority then Man...therefore Washington is the Highest Authority on the Earth. By right of might, of course....
Does one insist on that defination of Rights.."Man Given"...then you by damn better submit to WHATEVER Washington dictates. Sorta like the Germans did , twice..in the last century.
I am comforted however by the fact that our society's attention span has grown so short that it would probably be impossible to actually garner consistent support for such an effort. I believe Constitutional amendments must be ratified within a 7 year period or they are removed from consideration.
But it does identify the classic flaw of majority rule...the 2 wolves voting to eat 1 sheep...2 men voting to rape 1 woman...etc.
-WoundedWolf
Give me that 3%..all starting shooting on the thirty second of someday...and within 30 days, the battle is over. All they have to do is take out ONE of tyrannicals robots apiece...and its OVER.
That '12'..cannot happen until there is absolute proof there is no other way...I actually had HIGH hopes for New Orleans and the gun grab..unfortunately, the NRA got wind of just exactly how disturbed the gun-owners nation wide were getting...and put a stop to it. Just one more delay of the inevitable.
That, Comengetit..is the exact reason for the 3% (or 6, or 8..whatever) to stay hard...and equipped. No matter HOW corrupt the government gets.
Give me that 3%..all starting shooting on the thirty second of someday...and within 30 days, the battle is over. All they have to do is take out ONE of tyrannicals robots apiece...and its OVER.
That '12'..cannot happen until there is absolute proof there is no other way...I actually had HIGH hopes for New Orleans and the gun grab..unfortunately, the NRA got wind of just exactly how disturbed the gun-owners nation wide were getting...and put a stop to it. Just one more delay of the inevitable.
I didn't look at NOLA that way but hindsight being 20/20, I can see we missed a golden op. With this government, they will give us another, hope we can identify it and act. comengetit- out!
The problem I see is that, indeed, there IS momentum...towards still more CCW states, for example...but this gives us NOTHING towards the defense of the Second Amendment. CCW merely re-inforces the public preception that politicians have the authority to limit that document...
NOBODY out there on the National scene is standing their ground and DEMANDING that the Second Amendment be OBEYED..CCW AIN'T OBEYING THE SECOND AMENDMENT...
Oh...by the way. Saviour Supreme Court newest member Alito yesterday sided with the lIBERALS and stopped the execution of a death-row perp...So much for reality.
"Turn things around" ?
The problem I see is that, indeed, there IS momentum...towards still more CCW states, for example...but this gives us NOTHING towards the defense of the Second Amendment. CCW merely re-inforces the public preception that politicians have the authority to limit that document...
NOBODY out there on the National scene is standing their ground and DEMANDING that the Second Amendment be OBEYED..CCW AIN'T OBEYING THE SECOND AMENDMENT...
Oh...by the way. Saviour Supreme Court newest member Alito yesterday sided with the lIBERALS and stopped the execution of a death-row perp...So much for reality.
Oh, I disagree, here on a couple aspects. Namely these ones:
"The problem I see is that, indeed, there IS momentum...towards still more CCW states, for example...but this gives us NOTHING towards the defense of the Second Amendment."
For starters, although this may not be ideal, and we know what ideal is, it goes the opposite direction of gun kontrol, because it is not extricating firearms from our society; it is giving place to them. If it ends here, then you are right.
"NOBODY out there on the National scene is standing their ground and DEMANDING that the Second Amendment be OBEYED..CCW AIN'T OBEYING THE SECOND AMENDMENT..."
Actually, there are many. if there were not, we would still be under the shroud of the AWB, CCW states would be decreasing, but they are not, and for the moment, gun laws are being shot down more often than they are being accepted. No one has yet called for a mass abolishing of gun laws...yet. That's coming, though. One day, the gun kontrol movement may find its way into shame, once this comes to conclusion, and when it does, it will have been done the same way it was inflicted... little by little.
However...I believe that the Elites are merely patting us on the head..as they use our money to develope methods of control that make guns obsolete. They also continue to pass laws apace restricting our few freedoms....and privacy.
I truly understand the need to 'have a dream'.
However...I believe that the Elites are merely patting us on the head..as they use our money to develope methods of control that make guns obsolete. They also continue to pass laws apace restricting our few freedoms....and privacy.
It isn't a dream. It is a goal. All good movements begin here.
The last damn thing elites want is for us to be armed in any way. The rest is rather accurate.
The Founders understood this..that is why this is (WAS) a republic.
Masses of people, poorly educated,are EASY to sway to this or that idea..witness America today.
Not so easy to sway was five hundred some men, guided by the Constitution....The Congress.
The Founders gave us a good system. The weight of 200 years of corruption and the steady dumbing down of citizens has reduced that system to merely a shell...a cover for maggots.
wounded wolf made a good point that is not often talked about. While praise for democracy is ubiquitous. The fact is that majority rule is equivalent to mob rule.
Behold.... the truth about democracy.