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The Second Amendment Moves Forward
FrancF
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The issue of Second Amendment rights is one I feel very strongly about this day in age. Yes I am still concerned about the culture war and the war on Christianity right here in America, but the same people on the left that want your Christian traditions and values dead want your traditional American Second Amendment rights dead as well.
The rights of law abiding Americans almost went extinct under the Clinton administration. There was always a constant battle against Second Amendment rights and the Brady laws didn't help the matter much. Well, that was then when we had a president and his followers who were far left of center. Now we have a president who seeks to do what is right no matter the opposition. President Bush has been a blessing to both traditional conservatives who fought to ban partial birth abortion and other atrocities and has even been a bigger blessing to the American people by upholding the United States Constitution in its original format. In other words he is an originalist and has put two originalists on the Supreme Court who will interpret the law according to OUR constitution and not some foreign law mandated by the UN.
The UN has been itching to ban guns worldwide and has run a pretty good campaign of deception in England, Canada, and Australia. People here in the United States have refused to listen to the UN when it comes to Second Amendment rights because the UN does not have the authority to change our laws. That's up to our elected leaders, not a foreign diplomat. I still say John Bolton was the best thing to happen to the UN in a long time. I hope he sets them straight on what they can and cannot control and that is Americans' right to bear arms under the Second Amendment.
I have never been prouder of the National Rifle Association than I am right now. In many states there has been new legislation passed to guarantee a citizen the right to self defense without prosecution which is the way it should be. Under the Clinton Administration the attacker went free while the defender was prosecuted. Not anymore! Now things are like they should be. The right to self defense is so logical that a first grader could understand it, yet some still oppose it. Right now something called the Castle Doctrine is sweeping the nation. This is the proposed legislation to protect one's self during a hostile situation - like attack, robbery, or rape. Any lady out there should be able to legally defend herself with deadly force if necessary against a rapist. That is exactly what the Castle Doctrine is all about. So far it has passed in my home state of Mississippi and is to be voted on in Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Missouri, New Hampshire,Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Washington, and Wyoming. This act started in Florida. It was because of the NRA that this superb legislation has occurred.
The far left and the UN are appalled by this action of freedom and it shows. New York City mayor Michael Bloomberg has started an all out war against the Second Amendment and the Brady bunch are right behind him. They all claim that illegal gun sales are what is making crime so high. However, research shows that whenever gun bans are passed crime rates soar. Look at London. It has a higher crime rate now than it ever did when firearms where in the hands of responsible law abiding citizens. Former (isn't that great!)liberal leader Paul Martin from Canada cost his country $2 billion dollars on a failed gun ban policy that did nothing at all for the crime rate. As a matter of fact the crime rate has been steadily escalating since his failed policies.
According to the NRA this July 4, there will be a major event happen. Billionaire liberals like George Soros and many left wing anti-gun activists and so called animal rights activists will put together a plan to sabotage freedom guaranteed to us by our founding fathers. Their choice of this sickening parade of silly conspiracy theorists could not have come at a worse time. July 4 is Independence Day. On this day in 1776 we gained our independence so that we could be free and now our own people are trying to destroy the rights given to us by our founders with the help of a very corrupt regime known as the United Nations.
The UN has repeatedly made itself known as an organization that cannot be fully trusted. Remember the supposed sanctions on Iraq after the first gulf war? What sanctions? Most of the Un was helping Saddam, not sanctioning him. In the midst of the war on terror, we found out why they were so opposed to the war in Iraq. They were embarrassed by their dealing with Saddam in the food for oil scandal. France helped him. So did Russia. Russia is still the enemy of the US. They still are helping the Iranians with their nuclear ambitions. Are these the people you want controlling your laws? The UN already wants control of the internet so it can limit free speech. If the UN gains control of the internet, it will be against the law for you to read this article. If they can do that with free speech, think how paranoid the UN must be over armed civilians.
My friends, the 2006 election is nearing and we need to maintain a majority of leaders who have a respect for the law and for the original writings to the United States Constitution. The Second Amendment was given to us as a gift of freedom from our founding fathers who knew what they wanted and how they wanted to live. They fought hard to pursue their dreams of freedom and so should you and I. Don't let liberal gun hating politicians from either the UN or the US tell you what to do. Let's tell them what to do in November as we elect someone to replace their hate filled ideologies and crazed conspiracy theories with true freedom that our founding fathers had in mind when they wrote the Second Amendment.
* If you are interested in stopping the Global War on Guns visit www.stopungunban.org and find our what you can do to make your voice of freedom be heard. Tell George Soros that his millions still does not buy your vote. Freedom buys your vote my friend!
The rights of law abiding Americans almost went extinct under the Clinton administration. There was always a constant battle against Second Amendment rights and the Brady laws didn't help the matter much. Well, that was then when we had a president and his followers who were far left of center. Now we have a president who seeks to do what is right no matter the opposition. President Bush has been a blessing to both traditional conservatives who fought to ban partial birth abortion and other atrocities and has even been a bigger blessing to the American people by upholding the United States Constitution in its original format. In other words he is an originalist and has put two originalists on the Supreme Court who will interpret the law according to OUR constitution and not some foreign law mandated by the UN.
The UN has been itching to ban guns worldwide and has run a pretty good campaign of deception in England, Canada, and Australia. People here in the United States have refused to listen to the UN when it comes to Second Amendment rights because the UN does not have the authority to change our laws. That's up to our elected leaders, not a foreign diplomat. I still say John Bolton was the best thing to happen to the UN in a long time. I hope he sets them straight on what they can and cannot control and that is Americans' right to bear arms under the Second Amendment.
I have never been prouder of the National Rifle Association than I am right now. In many states there has been new legislation passed to guarantee a citizen the right to self defense without prosecution which is the way it should be. Under the Clinton Administration the attacker went free while the defender was prosecuted. Not anymore! Now things are like they should be. The right to self defense is so logical that a first grader could understand it, yet some still oppose it. Right now something called the Castle Doctrine is sweeping the nation. This is the proposed legislation to protect one's self during a hostile situation - like attack, robbery, or rape. Any lady out there should be able to legally defend herself with deadly force if necessary against a rapist. That is exactly what the Castle Doctrine is all about. So far it has passed in my home state of Mississippi and is to be voted on in Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Missouri, New Hampshire,Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Washington, and Wyoming. This act started in Florida. It was because of the NRA that this superb legislation has occurred.
The far left and the UN are appalled by this action of freedom and it shows. New York City mayor Michael Bloomberg has started an all out war against the Second Amendment and the Brady bunch are right behind him. They all claim that illegal gun sales are what is making crime so high. However, research shows that whenever gun bans are passed crime rates soar. Look at London. It has a higher crime rate now than it ever did when firearms where in the hands of responsible law abiding citizens. Former (isn't that great!)liberal leader Paul Martin from Canada cost his country $2 billion dollars on a failed gun ban policy that did nothing at all for the crime rate. As a matter of fact the crime rate has been steadily escalating since his failed policies.
According to the NRA this July 4, there will be a major event happen. Billionaire liberals like George Soros and many left wing anti-gun activists and so called animal rights activists will put together a plan to sabotage freedom guaranteed to us by our founding fathers. Their choice of this sickening parade of silly conspiracy theorists could not have come at a worse time. July 4 is Independence Day. On this day in 1776 we gained our independence so that we could be free and now our own people are trying to destroy the rights given to us by our founders with the help of a very corrupt regime known as the United Nations.
The UN has repeatedly made itself known as an organization that cannot be fully trusted. Remember the supposed sanctions on Iraq after the first gulf war? What sanctions? Most of the Un was helping Saddam, not sanctioning him. In the midst of the war on terror, we found out why they were so opposed to the war in Iraq. They were embarrassed by their dealing with Saddam in the food for oil scandal. France helped him. So did Russia. Russia is still the enemy of the US. They still are helping the Iranians with their nuclear ambitions. Are these the people you want controlling your laws? The UN already wants control of the internet so it can limit free speech. If the UN gains control of the internet, it will be against the law for you to read this article. If they can do that with free speech, think how paranoid the UN must be over armed civilians.
My friends, the 2006 election is nearing and we need to maintain a majority of leaders who have a respect for the law and for the original writings to the United States Constitution. The Second Amendment was given to us as a gift of freedom from our founding fathers who knew what they wanted and how they wanted to live. They fought hard to pursue their dreams of freedom and so should you and I. Don't let liberal gun hating politicians from either the UN or the US tell you what to do. Let's tell them what to do in November as we elect someone to replace their hate filled ideologies and crazed conspiracy theories with true freedom that our founding fathers had in mind when they wrote the Second Amendment.
* If you are interested in stopping the Global War on Guns visit www.stopungunban.org and find our what you can do to make your voice of freedom be heard. Tell George Soros that his millions still does not buy your vote. Freedom buys your vote my friend!
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Alas, I will yield the soapbox.....for now.
The issue of Second Amendment rights is one I feel very strongly about this day in age. Yes I am still concerned about the culture war and the war on Christianity right here in America, but the same people on the left that want your Christian traditions and values dead want your traditional American Second Amendment rights dead as well.
Oh please, there is hardly a "war" on Christianity here in America. Evangelical Protestants rule this nation. We have a President who "talks" to God. The FCC is busy censoring every form of communication to conform to some fundamentalist Christian standard of morality. While many focus on the Left's attempt to subvert our right to own firearms, they completely ignore the Christian Right's attack on the First Amendment. Fascism is coming, and it's coming wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross.
While we are distracted fighting the Islamo-fascists overseas, the Christo-fascists are consolidating their power here in America. Many in here will welcome them at first. They will welcome it when all the evil strip clubs and adult book stores are forcibly closed. "Praise Jesus" they will scream! They will welcome it when the Bible is used as a textbook in school and the science curriculm removed, and all schoolchildren indoctrinated into a fundamentalist brand of Christianity endorsed by the government. "Praise be to God" they will yell! They will gladly throw books like "The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn", "On the Origin of Species", and "Native Son" onto the pile of burning books for spreading obscene UnChristian-like thoughts and ideas. "Hallelujah" they will shout! They will nod their heads with quiet satisfaction as all those evil homosexuals and other undesireables are "disappeared" in the middle of the night. "God's will be done" they will think to themselves. And they won't even notice it when one day all their guns are taken away from them, as they threaten the power of the Christian theocratic religious leaders and politicians who rule this nation with an iron fist. They will do that in the name of God as well, and all the brainwashed religious sheep will nod their heads because they were "told" that is what God wants of them. And America will be no different than Iran.
There is a laundry list of UNCONSTITUTIONAL actions he has taken. Support him if you must..but please don't pretend you are supporting the Constitution as you do so.
No, godless atheists do.
quote:We have a President who "talks" to God.
An example of godless atheists. Most of them do not have scruples about trying to believe himself/herself as a god.
quote:The FCC is busy censoring every form of communication to conform to some fundamentalist Christian standard of morality.
This couldn't be further from the truth.
quote:While many focus on the Left's attempt to subvert our right to own firearms, they completely ignore the Christian Right's attack on the First Amendment.
Considering the left is trying to subvert both the 1st and 2nd Amendment, I guess I would prefer only one of them under fire than both...
quote:Fascism is coming, and it's coming wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross.
I doubt it. It will come from a * crapping out the Communist Manifesto, and using a fortune suckering the majority of us to accept this.
quote:While we are distracted fighting the Islamo-fascists overseas, the Christo-fascists are consolidating their power here in America.
As are the elitists in this country. The elitists, who want to usurp God will no doubt, prevail before the church does, mostly because of the manpower involved.
quote:They will welcome it when all the evil strip clubs and adult book stores are forcibly closed. "Praise Jesus" they will scream!
The only thing being closed down en masse was gun dealers. The left is responsible for this.
quote:They will welcome it when the Bible is used as a textbook in school and the science curriculm removed, and all schoolchildren indoctrinated into a fundamentalist brand of Christianity endorsed by the government.
Yeah, right. It hasn't been too damned successful yet. It keeps going the opposite direction, and has never went the other way. At no point has this been suggested to be reintroduced into classrooms, and by the looks of it, never will be.
quote:"Praise be to God" they will yell! They will gladly throw books like "The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn", "On the Origin of Species", and "Native Son" onto the pile of burning books for spreading obscene UnChristian-like thoughts and ideas.
Well, someone thinks they can see the future, here. It could just as easily go the other way, as Bibles are made illegal to own and the religion of the state is forced upon us. Bibles have been the most used fuel for the fires of propagandists in world history, so don't give me that $#!t!!!
quote:They will nod their heads with quiet satisfaction as all those evil homosexuals and other undesireables are "disappeared" in the middle of the night.
And this is done by making gays a protected minority category?!?!? Bravo Sierra!!!
quote:"God's will be done" they will think to themselves. And they won't even notice it when one day all their guns are taken away from them, as they threaten the power of the Christian theocratic religious leaders and politicians who rule this nation with an iron fist.
Well, Christians would be able to recognize this for an antiGod attack on the followers, and that would be bad for the anti-religion side. It runs contrary to Biblical Scripture. Flush your head, dude!!!
quote:They will do that in the name of God as well, and all the brainwashed religious sheep will nod their heads because they were "told" that is what God wants of them. And America will be no different than Iran.
If it is in the name of "god" it certainly won't be the Christian model of God, but more like the god of the state, Big Brother, or some other "god". Christians will know they've been duped.
If they are not the same person then they certainly share the same philosophy. WarriorsFan, I think you would be more comfortable in the "Politics" forum where other like-minded Socialists like yourself frequent.
-WoundedWolf
WarriorsFan = Hairy
If they are not the same person then they certainly share the same philosophy. WarriorsFan, I think you would be more comfortable in the "Politics" forum where other like-minded Socialists like yourself frequent.
-WoundedWolf
No I'm not. I don't have a problem with Christianity at all, I have a problem with fundamentalist Christianity, just like I have a problem with fundamentalist Islam. Both are a threat. I am a STRICT believer that religion should remain wholly seperate from politics. When religion meets politics, bad things happen. We have religious leaders here in America calling for the assassination of foreign leaders. Our politicians campaign in the Churches. Priests, preachers, and reverends instruct their flocks on who to vote for on election day. Surely you can see how this is a problem, how the things I mentioned are no different than how things work in Iran. Religion perverts politics and politics perverts religion. Keep the two seperate.
And how am I a Socialist? Because I believe that religion is becoming an oppressive force in this nation? There is nothing inherently wrong with religion, but when people start using religion as a way to let other people think for them, that's when problems arise. I'm not an atheist, but I also don't say "how high" when Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell say "jump." I guess it was because of those "Godless atheists" why ABC showed a rerun of Matlock in my market two years ago instead of Saving Private Ryan on Memorial Day, because God forbid a child hear the "F-word" on television, who knows what they would do! I'm a libertarian, in a free society, there will be things you do not agree with. In a free society, people have the choice to engage in immoral behavior as long as it doesn't hurt anyone or infringe on anyone's rights. I read recently that the FBI has a "porn squad" newly created by the Bush Administration. They aren't targeting child porn, they are targeting porn involving consenting adults, they want to make sure that legal porn does not become too "obscene." I see this as a threat, the government is dictating to adults what they can and cannot view based on Christian morality. The FCC is taking steps to censor and regulate satellite TV and radio. Our First Amendment rights are under attack by an Evangelical Christian movement. I don't blame Christianity for this, I blame the people who are using Christianity to advance their personal agendas and secure the cooperation of the masses by invoking the name of Jesus as they chip away at our liberties. Don't think it will end at the First Amendment, some of the biggest anti-gunners I have encountered have been religious folks.
Thanks for the drama, dude. Has it ever occured to you that parents, which outnumber non-parents, don't want their kids exposed to this kind of language because it is foul and wrong? I'll bet not. You've already decided who the enemy is, and they cannot be vindicated for that reason.
Who's the extremist, here? I guess it takes one to know one. I'm an extremist, but not like this.... my enemies have actually done things to the populace, and I have incontrovertible proof of it. There's a big difference....
The forum is "Gun Rights"...and as such your president has come up lacking.
I do not vote for the 'lessor of two evils'..sorry.
Thanks for the drama, dude. Has it ever occured to you that parents, which outnumber non-parents, don't want their kids exposed to this kind of language because it is foul and wrong?
I guess changing the channel is too difficult a task for them to accomplish.
quote:Originally posted by gunphreak
Thanks for the drama, dude. Has it ever occured to you that parents, which outnumber non-parents, don't want their kids exposed to this kind of language because it is foul and wrong?
I guess changing the channel is too difficult a task for them to accomplish.
They pay for the service. Why should they have to turn the channel?? Why should they have to wait for the first blurt in order to know they may have to change the channel, after the damage has already been done?
I know... so don't pay for the TV or cable. This is about the last thing gov't wants to have happen. It disables the propaganda network going right into your house. Therefore, that might also explain why.
I'm not in favor of extremely foul language on TV, either. I get highly annoyed by bleeps and bars on the TV, not so much because there was a form of censoring on it, but I get tired of listening to punks and thugs and whoever else dropping F-clusterbombs normally. I would rather not have it invade my TV.
I guess a better solution would be to put a bullet in the old one-eye and quit debating on it, altogether, wouldn't it?
They pay for the service. Why should they have to turn the channel?? Why should they have to wait for the first blurt in order to know they may have to change the channel, after the damage has already been done?
Here we have a fine example of the (non-existent) right to "not be offended". Trust me, its just as irritating coming from the "it's for the children!" crowd as it is from the PC crowd. If I'm paying for cable (just like you) I have just as much right to watch what I want as you do.
If what you see on TV offends you, turn the channel. If a channel regularly offends you, block the channel (note: I block "Lifetime" on mine). I'm sorry, but TV channels are out there to make money, its just a fact of life, so they are going to try to appeal to the broadest possible market. While running Seseme Street (or maybe Barney) non-stop on every channel may appeal to you, it's not something I'd look forward to.
Yup. Right alongside that non existent right to not be offended, there is the maxim that the customer is always right.
Apparently, there are more people out there that do not want TV this way, for whatever their reason, and therefore will make a big dent in their TV service provider's wallet if they do it the other way, because if you think TV service providers are all chomping at the bit for the opportunity to let loose with the profanity, and the FCC is keeping them in check, you're way out there.
There are simple solutions for everything. Changing the channel may be a simple way to deal with an immediate problem with conflicting TV programming, but in all seriousness, networks know if they piss off their viewers, that means rating drop.
Same thing with video games. The VG industry, I think, has done a fine job of policing itself, and has provided warnings right on the boxes about what the game contains, with no one telling them to do so. I say, leave it at that. That leaves things up to the parents, because they are the purchasers, mostly.
Unfortunately, Larry Flynt has erased nearly all limitation on the use of vulgarity in our society. Places like San Francisco are obviously a free-for-all. You could probably drop your shorts and sodomize a goat in public and they wouldn't do a thing to you there. But try it in Provo, Utah and you will probably have a different reaction.
The idea that somebody can show up in your town, plant themselves on Main Street, and start shouting F-bombs and other derogatory remarks without any recourse against them is purely ridiculous. We don't just bow down to somebody like that and say, "Well, guess I better move 'cuz he's got that First Amendment behind him." You have as much right to stand your ground against somebody like that.
However, if the individual is voicing a legitimate grievance, and 6 cops start whacking him with sticks, then that person will indeed have the wrath of the First Amendment behind him.
That is my take on it.
-Wolf
Many would make the assesment that the 2nd Amendment gives us all the right to keep and bear arms, but does not give us the right to use those arms to do business, or force an action on someone else, or to kill people you don't like.
I'm going to make a counter assessment to the 1st Amendment. The right to express yourself, be it by word of mouth, transmitted or in person, or the right to print your thoughts in public forums such as the newpaper, a book, or the internet does not give us the right to destroy another's character by lying about him, nor does it give us the right to induce panic on others, and it does not give us the right to corrupt children. The right to assembly does not give us the right to form a group with the explicit purpose of looting or inciting violence on some other group of people. The right to religious freedom does not give us the right to sacrifice a virgin to your selected "god", nor does it give us the right to crusade against another religious group who have made no action against them. The right to petition the gov't for redress of grievances does not give us the right to coerce signatures from unwilling persons to get some act passed.
None of these rights are absolute. They come with consequences and responsibilities. And as long as the crime "corruption of a minor" exists, how can we justify not keeping or main TV channels clean? My cable has channels on it that are less regulated, and granted, I had to pay for them outside the main service. That was my choice to do, and as such, since I have an impressionable 6 year old in my house, those channels are blocked. I do not have any problems, with that being so.
Government should not "filter" our TV and radio to protect children, that is YOUR JOB AS A PARENT!!!!!!! You are the gatekeeper, stop giving the government more and more power to dictate what we can and cannot do or watch or hear in our daily lives. If your children are up at night watching adult shows on television unsupervised, than maybe the problem doesn't lie with the "smut" on TV but with the lazy parents who use the TV as a babysitter.
I and many other libertarians will continue to stand up to those on the left who would threaten our 2nd Amendment rights, and those on the Christian Right who continue to support an Administration which is destroying our 1st and 4th Amendment Rights with Un-American legislation like the Patriot Act. My problem with Fundie Christians is that they are trading away our most basic fundamental rights (like protection from warrantless search and seizure) in exchange for stem-cell bans and gay marriage bans. I'm sorry, but this is not a good trade off. Evangelicals gave a green-light to 4 more years of the Patriot Act, records deficits, and the biggest federal government in history, all in exchange for a few "Christian" compromises. This is what I oppose, not Christianity itself, just the fanatical Christians who are sacraficing our rights on an altar of religion. Bush's approval rating is in the low 30% range, who do you think that stalwart group is who continues to support this man? It's Evangelical Protestants. In their minds, Bush can do no wrong, these are the people who still think that Iraq attacked us on 9/11 and that WMDs were found. Most moderate Christians I know are mortified by this trend, they oppose Bush and they oppose the war and they do not believe in forcing their religious views on anyone else, via the FCC or the PTC or puppet politicians. Unfortunatley, there are Christians out there who think the exact opposite and freedom-loving Americans must stand up and oppose oppression in whatever form it takes, whether it be West Coast liberals, New-England socialists, Radical Islam, or yes, even Christian fanatics in the Heartland.
Really, I didn't already know that, even though I stated the following:
quote:My cable has channels on it that are less regulated, and granted, I had to pay for them outside the main service. That was my choice to do, and as such, since I have an impressionable 6 year old in my house, those channels are blocked. I do not have any problems, with that being so.
quote:Just because some people are too lazy or too stupid to utilize the features which come with their TV does not mean they should deprive those of us who do not have children the right to watch adult-themed shows.
That's fine, but those premium channels come at a price, just like they do for me. Every channel does not have to be filled with publicly indecent content to express something.
quote:Apparently, some people in here have no problem with the government having near total control over the dissemination of information in this country.
And just what kind of cloaked information has to be verbally vulgar or physically explicit. Their a great difference between our gov't censoring out critical information to the people for their own gains vs. transmission of "entertainment", which is not critical information, just entertainment. Don't try to group one inside the other, because they are totally different issues.
quote:Canada has uncensored public TV, the CBC even allows the F-word and nudity at night! Now look at their rates of teen pregnancy, drug use, and juvenile crime, all FAR lower than the United States. How can you explain this?
I'm not going to bother. The reason can be neither proved, nor disproved by science or fact, but I seriously doubt it has anything to do with uncensored access to TV. They would be on the opposite side of the spectrum with us, where the Canadians are more interested in being entertained, and apparently are, while their country censors out critical info to its people concerning other going-on events, which they should know about, but don't care.
quote:Government should not "filter" our TV and radio to protect children, that is YOUR JOB AS A PARENT!!!!!!! You are the gatekeeper, stop giving the government more and more power to dictate what we can and cannot do or watch or hear in our daily lives.
You willingly seem to forget that main networks don't approve of this crap. I don't know how many times I've seen an instant on mainstream TV where something has slipped out, whether it be Janet Jackson's tittie, or a verbal slip, and the network apologizes to its viewers, not out of obligation to the FCC, but to its viewing audience. Ratings speak volumes. You apparently haven't figured that out, yet.
quote:If your children are up at night watching adult shows on television unsupervised, than maybe the problem doesn't lie with the "smut" on TV but with the lazy parents who use the TV as a babysitter.
In this sense, you are right. That is definitely another problem that should be taken care of by the parent. But still, these "smutty channels" are also generally premium TV. Hey, I wouldn't mind watching the news one time with a topless news anchor (provided she's attractive), but I don't think every single news channel should be that way all the time.
quote:I and many other libertarians will continue to stand up to those on the left who would threaten our 2nd Amendment rights, and those on the Christian Right who continue to support an Administration which is destroying our 1st and 4th Amendment Rights with Un-American legislation like the Patriot Act.
Ok, this is where I stop the show. You're going to tell me that foul language can be even remotely linked with the Patriot Act. If you think the Christian Right support the same thing in all aspects as the Administration, you're really wrong. Liberals do that, because they are brainless, which is why you have one queen and a thousand workers (so to speak) doing the will of that one queen in all aspects without question. That is not true with the right. Most of the televangelist leaders in our country have aligned themselves with morality, but have yet to define that "morality" to its viewers, but this is not "Christian" anything. This is making a profit at the expense of believers, which infuriates me. But this is still different than following a leader blindly, as liberals do.
quote:My problem with Fundie Christians is that they are trading away our most basic fundamental rights (like protection from warrantless search and seizure) in exchange for stem-cell bans and gay marriage bans.
You realize a Fundamentalist Christian is no more a fundamentalist Christian as a liberal actually is a liberal, right? The real culprits of the warantless search and seizure policies are the Administration. They are not walking hand in hand with the religious right.
I vote pro-Second always. I don't honestly give a $#!t about the other pet projects involved, simply because I want the right to wield weaponry with no fear of subjection for doing so, and if any of it gets out of hand, it can be firmly corrected. If I went along with the candidate that met many criteria, I would never have a good candidate. Once in office, I send quick e-mails and letters to influence everything else. I write editorials for newspapers (of which more than 4 dozen have appeared on the pages of the papers in my area.
quote:I'm sorry, but this is not a good trade off. Evangelicals gave a green-light to 4 more years of the Patriot Act, records deficits, and the biggest federal government in history, all in exchange for a few "Christian" compromises.
This is why I have my own home study of the Bible, and am at present, not a church member. I have issues with churches that pick and choose what they want and do not want in their church. The same applies to evangelicals.
quote: This is what I oppose, not Christianity itself, just the fanatical Christians who are sacraficing our rights on an altar of religion. Bush's approval rating is in the low 30% range, who do you think that stalwart group is who continues to support this man? It's Evangelical Protestants.
You know this for a fact? One thing I've learned about polls are that you learn more about the pollsters opinion than you do about public opinion. I'll be the first to admit, we should leave the middle east alone so it can kill itself. That's what they want, anyway. Let them have their wish, with the promise that any foreign national from that region who attacks the US will have its country turned into a huge glass sheet if it attacks us EVEN ONCE. To reaffirm this, the only way to kill a murderous god is to kill all of its followers. This is the extremist in me speaking.
quote:In their minds, Bush can do no wrong, these are the people who still think that Iraq attacked us on 9/11 and that WMDs were found.
Are you sure they are not more like I am and just didn't want John sKerry in office? As for WMD's, unless we start looking in Syria, we aren't going to find them. When we picked up the convoy of trucks heading to Syria on satellite, and didn't intercept them, that was our first mistake.
quote:Most moderate Christians I know are mortified by this trend, they oppose Bush and they oppose the war and they do not believe in forcing their religious views on anyone else, via the FCC or the PTC or puppet politicians.
I'm sure both of them probably do. Hey, I don't believe in forcing my religious views on anyone else, so long as they don't expect me to accept theirs. The problem we have here is that it is less a matter of Christians accepting different religious viewpoints, and more a matter of trying to force Christians to accept a non-religious act that runs in contradiction of Christian values, which leaves Christians with no other recourse, but to fight it.
quote:Unfortunatley, there are Christians out there who think the exact opposite and freedom-loving Americans must stand up and oppose oppression in whatever form it takes, whether it be West Coast liberals, New-England socialists, Radical Islam, or yes, even Christian fanatics in the Heartland.
Look at the big picture, here. Any religious group claiming to be Christian will not petition the gov't to abolish the death penalty. They will not rally up to support a woman's right to murder her unborn. They will not condone these two things because they are in direct contradiction to their values. They won't turn a blind eye to it, either, because THAT is in direct contradiction to Christian values. This is how we smell a rat among the congregation. More people do this than you realize.
Trying to figure out exactly HOW it has 'moved forward' under the leadership of the fearless little war president...
There HAS indeed been some laws passed 'making it legal' to stop someone assualting yourself...or break-n-enter perps... However, those laws don't specifically address firearms...one homeowner recently stabbed a perp to death, for example...
To " Move Forward" REQUIRES the fedgov to admit that they HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO BUSINESS meddling in firearms...and a president announcing that the Second Amendment applies as written...and that the fedgov as of TODAY is defunding the 'Gun Judges and BATF"...directly OPPOSITE of what the president the w horeshippers love has done.
On a state level it has moved, predictably forward in the states where the initiative was to move it forward, and in all the states that do not want to move forward with it, the total sum of the situation is nothing, or very little, at the least.
w horeshippers to the contrary.