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The right to keep and bear arms!

grcwt55grcwt55 Member Posts: 51 ✭✭
My Dad loves to argue with anti-gun people and tries to convince people to uphold the 2nd amendment and attemps to explain why we need guns. He wrote this- tell me what you think!

The Right To Keep And Bear Arms

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a Free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
Such a small sentence. Yet these twenty-seven words form the cornerstone of our Republic. The founders of the United States were wise. They knew that men holding power, without a check and balance against tyranny, would be prone to use power to the profit of themselves and the abuse of the people.
So they carefully crafted these twenty-seven words. Twenty-seven words which are the cornerstone of our Republic. For without them we have no America. We all know that the Second Amendment plainly says that the right to BOTH KEEP and BEAR arms shall not be infringed. Few of us have observed though, the WHY of what the Constitution says. Yet there it is in ink and parchment: NECESSARY TO THE SECURITY OF A FREE STATE. Accordingly, laws that would to further restrict or ban firearms are not only unconstitutional but are in fact treasonous.
The Second Amendment is not about hunting ducks and deer. It is about arms being held in private hands as a check and balance against a tyrannical government, tyrannical invaders, and other tyrannical influences such as organized criminals.
It is the U.S. Constitution's way of protecting our natural right to the means to defend ourselves. Moreover, it establishes the citizens' right to wage war against foreign invaders and, if necessary, against their own government. Understandably, the politicians of today don't want you to know that, because of their own tyrannical intentions. The Second Amendment reflects a basic civil and human right of divine origin -- not a privilege doled out by politicians for good behavior.

Gun Laws Counterproductive

Restrictions on firearms ownership by law abiding citizens are counterproductive in the prevention of crime, as are programs which offer rewards for turning in guns, thereby stripping the citizenry of their defense against the criminal element. In addition, such policies place individuals and their families at risk, not only against criminals, but against wild predatory animals which may attack their family members, their pets, or their livestock.
Guns, like drugs, save lives and money. Research shows that citizens use guns two and a half to five times more often to prevent crimes than to commit them... Indeed, firearms are the most effective way to protect oneself against criminals - which is why police carry guns rather than going unarmed or carrying knives.
Criminals have been held constitutionally immune from registration of their firearms, because such represent a violation of their fifth amendment rights. As often as we try to enact gun laws against criminals, we should be aware that the second amendment does not disqualify felons from having the right to keep and bear arms. Not only are gun control laws unconstitutional when applied to us, the peaceful citizen, but they are as unconstitutional to apply to the criminal as well.

Guns As Emergency Equipment

Do you have a spare tire in you car? Would you consider taking it out of the trunk and leaving it in your garage the next time you go to drive your car? Do you have a first aid kit in your home or business? Would you consider having it removed? Should we remove fire extinguishers, fire axes, fire hoses, automatic fire suppression sprinklers, and smoke alarms from our homes, business, and schools?
No, we expect that all of the above is available for emergencies and that people will be trained to use it ... but we all know that some people can't administer first aid or operate a fire extinguisher or even change their tires for what ever reason. Still we have this comfort level that there is a means available to help out in a bad situation.
Why is it such a stretch for people to understand that there should be a firearm on the premises or available on a person should the need arise? The absence of the above emergency equipment will result in loss of life, injury, destruction of property. This sounds exactly like what happened at Columbine, Flint Michigan, the old folks home in Detroit, Luby's cafeteria in Texas, the Jewish Community Center in Los Angeles, etc., etc., and so forth. If we prepare for one type of emergency, should we not prepare for all emergencies? And shouldn't every school organize a volunteer emergency response force from the teachers, and in high schools, the students? Wouldn't one teacher or student with a firearm in the Columbine Library have ended the siege?
This is why the federal ban on firearms in the radius of a school needs to be overturned. School staffs and students are no longer able to protect themselves, and represent sitting ducks for the criminal minded and terrorists.

Full Right to Open Carry and Concealed Carry License

I support the full intent of the Second Amendment, that the right to keep and bear arms shall not, under any circumstances, be infringed. If we are to stay free we need to elect representatives that will draft a bill stating that the Second Amendment shall not under any circumstances be infringed, that all federal, state, and local laws in violation of the Second Amendment are null and void, that all persons charged or convicted of possession or sales of firearms are to be pardoned, and that all prosecution of simple possession, sales, or concealment of firearms, absent of clear criminal intent, shall cease immediately.
I advocate as an option a national version of the Concealed Carry Weapons License on a "SHALL ISSUE" basis as well as legislation mandating reciprocal recognition of out of state and international gun licenses. A nationwide CCW would allow a resident of a gun controlled locality to bypass difficult and often racist local permit laws. Moreover, I would allow individuals to carry weapons inside their vehicles as a protection against carjacking and kidnapping.

Rescind Oppressive Laws

I advocate the repeal of any ban or waiting period on law-abiding citizens possessing firearms: such law is bad policy which accomplishes nothing and is unconstitutional. I also oppose registration of handguns on several grounds: it is a tremendous government expense which does nothing to avert crime, and it is a first step toward confiscation. Moreover, registration is a violation of the Fourth Amendment right to privacy and the right against unreasonable searches and seizures. I also oppose laws taxing ammunition or firearms, laws banning police trades, and support national and state laws making such restrictions and requirements for citizen registries invalid as infringements upon the Bill of Rights. Such requirements are not necessary to track weapons used in crime: most weapons have heavy private traceability because of the day-to-day recordkeeping of gun sellers.

Civil Disobedience Against Unconstitutional Gun Laws

I call for civil disobedience against unconstitutional gun laws. We will no longer follow these unconstitutional laws. Unless those of us who can stand up to them in civil disobedience and say, "no more", we will never be able to protect ourselves, our families, and our country against these tyrants.
The Constitution is the supreme law of the land. The Constitution says our right to keep and bear arms is to be unabridged. No law contrary to this is a valid law, and we are under no obligation to follow it. We should act like it.

Prohibit Nuisance Lawsuits

I support national and state legislation to prevent entities from suing firearms manufacturers when their defenseless products are criminally misused or used in accidental shootings. There is a bevy of these suits being planned by cities: cities who should be addressing not the gun manufacturers, but their own police incompetence and misconduct, and their own climate of violence in which gun incidents are likely to occur.
Weapons Bans
My interpretation of the Second Amendment is that the law enforcement authorities and the military are not entitled to bear weapons banned of the general public. It applies to all weapons, as far as I am concerned.
The founders clearly felt that private citizens needed access to and ownership of heavy military weaponry and I can hardly disagree with them. The power of Congress to grant letters of Marquee and Reprisal reflects this fact.
You can never prevent tyrants from having weapons. The only check against that is that EVERYONE has access to them. Besides, retired military personnel can never have their brains sapped of the knowledge of war when they become private citizens again. So there are always going to be civilians with military knowledge.
Prohibition in weaponry is the primary thing which creates and strengthens the black market. Having more laws against which guns and how many honest people can own actually creates the need, the desire, and therefore, enhances the solid black market in weapons. The criminal element is in this way EMPOWERED, not diminished, through gun control: it is the honest citizen who is diminished. The best way to eliminate the black market in weapons is to make it unnecessary, through full freedom to trade in arms.

Gun Laws are Racist

If every Negro in the Old South had a few firearms, the Ku Klux Klan would NEVER have been able to accomplish many of the treacheries they did. Dare I say, that slavery itself could not have existed had not the Negro been legally deprived of their firearm rights. And nothing has changed, as laws in cities with large black populations, like New York, Washington, and Pasadena, have firearms regulations so severe, yet do little but "determine what color you are" so that you can be discriminated against by law enforcement.
It is the bigots and wackos out there, whom unless they violate a criminal law you will never be able to quantify, that top the list of reasons why everyone else should be armed.

Gun Control: Legacy of Blood

Gun control didn't make the 6,000,000 Jews who were marched into the Nazi gas chambers safer, and it didn't make the 20,000,000 Russians exterminated by Stalin safer.? Gun control didn't save the millions of Chinese killed by Mao Tse Tung or the millions of Cambodians massacred by Pol Pot, either.
Gun control also didn't protect the 16,914 Americans murdered in 1998, or the 18,208 murdered in 1997.
Gun control simply created millions of disarmed, defenseless victims.

Gun Control's Proven Record of Effectiveness In Mass Murder

In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, approximately 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. In 1928, the Weimar Republic of Germany established gun control. From 1939 to 1945, 13 million Jews, gypsies, homosexuals, the mentally ill, and others, who were unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
In 1935, China established gun control. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents were unable to defend themselves and were rounded up and exterminated. In 1964, Guatemala established gun control. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
In 1970, Uganda established gun control. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. In 1956, Cambodia established gun control. From 1975 to 1977, one million
"educated" people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
That places total victims who lost their lives because of gun control at approximately 150 million in the last century. Since we should learn from the mistakes of history, the next time someone talks in favor of gun control, find out which group of citizens they wish to have exterminated.

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    HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    Well, it looks like a couple thousand words covering 27.

    I prefer the 27...as absolute. Understand...Your dad has it covered pretty good.I agree with his sentiments..but prefer the Beast to make his move to come take the guns rather then one at a time disobey this or that gun law.

    Doing that will merely take out the activists..leaving the luke-warm that probably will not have the courage to resist without leaders.
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    gunphreakgunphreak Member Posts: 1,791 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Very inciteful!!!

    quote:The Right To Keep And Bear Arms

    "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a Free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
    Such a small sentence. Yet these twenty-seven words form the cornerstone of our Republic. The founders of the United States were wise. They knew that men holding power, without a check and balance against tyranny, would be prone to use power to the profit of themselves and the abuse of the people.
    So they carefully crafted these twenty-seven words. Twenty-seven words which are the cornerstone of our Republic. For without them we have no America. We all know that the Second Amendment plainly says that the right to BOTH KEEP and BEAR arms shall not be infringed. Few of us have observed though, the WHY of what the Constitution says. Yet there it is in ink and parchment: NECESSARY TO THE SECURITY OF A FREE STATE. Accordingly, laws that would to further restrict or ban firearms are not only unconstitutional but are in fact treasonous.
    The Second Amendment is not about hunting ducks and deer. It is about arms being held in private hands as a check and balance against a tyrannical government, tyrannical invaders, and other tyrannical influences such as organized criminals.
    It is the U.S. Constitution's way of protecting our natural right to the means to defend ourselves. Moreover, it establishes the citizens' right to wage war against foreign invaders and, if necessary, against their own government. Understandably, the politicians of today don't want you to know that, because of their own tyrannical intentions. The Second Amendment reflects a basic civil and human right of divine origin -- not a privilege doled out by politicians for good behavior.

    Couldn't have said it better myself.

    quote:Gun Laws Counterproductive

    Restrictions on firearms ownership by law abiding citizens are counterproductive in the prevention of crime, as are programs which offer rewards for turning in guns, thereby stripping the citizenry of their defense against the criminal element. In addition, such policies place individuals and their families at risk, not only against criminals, but against wild predatory animals which may attack their family members, their pets, or their livestock.
    Guns, like drugs, save lives and money. Research shows that citizens use guns two and a half to five times more often to prevent crimes than to commit them... Indeed, firearms are the most effective way to protect oneself against criminals - which is why police carry guns rather than going unarmed or carrying knives.
    Criminals have been held constitutionally immune from registration of their firearms, because such represent a violation of their fifth amendment rights. As often as we try to enact gun laws against criminals, we should be aware that the second amendment does not disqualify felons from having the right to keep and bear arms. Not only are gun control laws unconstitutional when applied to us, the peaceful citizen, but they are as unconstitutional to apply to the criminal as well.


    Finally!!! Someone else who takes the correct approach. Forget that "Gun kontrol laws are ineffective" crap. They are effective... in a very wrong and unethical way.

    quote:Guns As Emergency Equipment

    Do you have a spare tire in you car? Would you consider taking it out of the trunk and leaving it in your garage the next time you go to drive your car? Do you have a first aid kit in your home or business? Would you consider having it removed? Should we remove fire extinguishers, fire axes, fire hoses, automatic fire suppression sprinklers, and smoke alarms from our homes, business, and schools?
    No, we expect that all of the above is available for emergencies and that people will be trained to use it ... but we all know that some people can't administer first aid or operate a fire extinguisher or even change their tires for what ever reason. Still we have this comfort level that there is a means available to help out in a bad situation.
    Why is it such a stretch for people to understand that there should be a firearm on the premises or available on a person should the need arise? The absence of the above emergency equipment will result in loss of life, injury, destruction of property. This sounds exactly like what happened at Columbine, Flint Michigan, the old folks home in Detroit, Luby's cafeteria in Texas, the Jewish Community Center in Los Angeles, etc., etc., and so forth. If we prepare for one type of emergency, should we not prepare for all emergencies? And shouldn't every school organize a volunteer emergency response force from the teachers, and in high schools, the students? Wouldn't one teacher or student with a firearm in the Columbine Library have ended the siege?
    This is why the federal ban on firearms in the radius of a school needs to be overturned. School staffs and students are no longer able to protect themselves, and represent sitting ducks for the criminal minded and terrorists.


    Two points of advice or additions to this would be as follows:

    1. You don't wear a seat belt only when you expect to be in an accident. Why only carry a gun when you are expected to be mugged, raped or killed??

    2. One reason why you never hear about slaughters in police stations is because virtually everyone in the station is armed. Removing this same condition in schools is a good way to have kids get killed.

    Otherwise, good stuff.

    quote:Full Right to Open Carry and Concealed Carry License

    I support the full intent of the Second Amendment, that the right to keep and bear arms shall not, under any circumstances, be infringed. If we are to stay free we need to elect representatives that will draft a bill stating that the Second Amendment shall not under any circumstances be infringed, that all federal, state, and local laws in violation of the Second Amendment are null and void, that all persons charged or convicted of possession or sales of firearms are to be pardoned, and that all prosecution of simple possession, sales, or concealment of firearms, absent of clear criminal intent, shall cease immediately.
    I advocate as an option a national version of the Concealed Carry Weapons License on a "SHALL ISSUE" basis as well as legislation mandating reciprocal recognition of out of state and international gun licenses. A nationwide CCW would allow a resident of a gun controlled locality to bypass difficult and often racist local permit laws. Moreover, I would allow individuals to carry weapons inside their vehicles as a protection against carjacking and kidnapping.


    Half of this actually contradicts the principle of the rest of the content, here. No one should have to be licensed by the state to carry in any way, shape or form. I know this is not the way it was supposed to work, but as such, I understand the POV here.

    quote:Rescind Oppressive Laws

    I advocate the repeal of any ban or waiting period on law-abiding citizens possessing firearms: such law is bad policy which accomplishes nothing and is unconstitutional. I also oppose registration of handguns on several grounds: it is a tremendous government expense which does nothing to avert crime, and it is a first step toward confiscation. Moreover, registration is a violation of the Fourth Amendment right to privacy and the right against unreasonable searches and seizures. I also oppose laws taxing ammunition or firearms, laws banning police trades, and support national and state laws making such restrictions and requirements for citizen registries invalid as infringements upon the Bill of Rights. Such requirements are not necessary to track weapons used in crime: most weapons have heavy private traceability because of the day-to-day recordkeeping of gun sellers.

    Good show, sir. A POV that represents more than "because its unconstitutional", and goes further into detail as to why.

    quote:Civil Disobedience Against Unconstitutional Gun Laws

    I call for civil disobedience against unconstitutional gun laws. We will no longer follow these unconstitutional laws. Unless those of us who can stand up to them in civil disobedience and say, "no more", we will never be able to protect ourselves, our families, and our country against these tyrants.
    The Constitution is the supreme law of the land. The Constitution says our right to keep and bear arms is to be unabridged. No law contrary to this is a valid law, and we are under no obligation to follow it. We should act like it.


    I'll drink to that!!!

    quote:Prohibit Nuisance Lawsuits

    I support national and state legislation to prevent entities from suing firearms manufacturers when their defenseless products are criminally misused or used in accidental shootings. There is a bevy of these suits being planned by cities: cities who should be addressing not the gun manufacturers, but their own police incompetence and misconduct, and their own climate of violence in which gun incidents are likely to occur.
    Weapons Bans
    My interpretation of the Second Amendment is that the law enforcement authorities and the military are not entitled to bear weapons banned of the general public. It applies to all weapons, as far as I am concerned.
    The founders clearly felt that private citizens needed access to and ownership of heavy military weaponry and I can hardly disagree with them. The power of Congress to grant letters of Marquee and Reprisal reflects this fact.
    You can never prevent tyrants from having weapons. The only check against that is that EVERYONE has access to them. Besides, retired military personnel can never have their brains sapped of the knowledge of war when they become private citizens again. So there are always going to be civilians with military knowledge.
    Prohibition in weaponry is the primary thing which creates and strengthens the black market. Having more laws against which guns and how many honest people can own actually creates the need, the desire, and therefore, enhances the solid black market in weapons. The criminal element is in this way EMPOWERED, not diminished, through gun control: it is the honest citizen who is diminished. The best way to eliminate the black market in weapons is to make it unnecessary, through full freedom to trade in arms.


    Little do these retard judges realize, every time these cases are even seen, it makes a mockery of justice, and well as the judge... in his own court room, no less.

    Dee dee dee.

    quote:Gun Laws are Racist

    If every Negro in the Old South had a few firearms, the Ku Klux Klan would NEVER have been able to accomplish many of the treacheries they did. Dare I say, that slavery itself could not have existed had not the Negro been legally deprived of their firearm rights. And nothing has changed, as laws in cities with large black populations, like New York, Washington, and Pasadena, have firearms regulations so severe, yet do little but "determine what color you are" so that you can be discriminated against by law enforcement.
    It is the bigots and wackos out there, whom unless they violate a criminal law you will never be able to quantify, that top the list of reasons why everyone else should be armed.


    "Negro" is nothing more than an insertable term, which distinctifies the goal of gun kontrol; "To render defenseless and exterminate a specific group of people."

    quote:Gun Control: Legacy of Blood

    Gun control didn't make the 6,000,000 Jews who were marched into the Nazi gas chambers safer, and it didn't make the 20,000,000 Russians exterminated by Stalin safer. Gun control didn't save the millions of Chinese killed by Mao Tse Tung or the millions of Cambodians massacred by Pol Pot, either.
    Gun control also didn't protect the 16,914 Americans murdered in 1998, or the 18,208 murdered in 1997.
    Gun control simply created millions of disarmed, defenseless victims.


    An addition to "Gun kontrol is racist", I see.

    quote:Gun Control's Proven Record of Effectiveness In Mass Murder

    In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, approximately 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. In 1928, the Weimar Republic of Germany established gun control. From 1939 to 1945, 13 million Jews, gypsies, homosexuals, the mentally ill, and others, who were unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
    In 1935, China established gun control. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents were unable to defend themselves and were rounded up and exterminated. In 1964, Guatemala established gun control. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
    In 1970, Uganda established gun control. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. In 1956, Cambodia established gun control. From 1975 to 1977, one million
    "educated" people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
    That places total victims who lost their lives because of gun control at approximately 150 million in the last century. Since we should learn from the mistakes of history, the next time someone talks in favor of gun control, find out which group of citizens they wish to have exterminated.

    Damn!! This guy is being thorough.

    I give this post the gunphreak seal of approval!!![8D]
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    HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    Somehow, I missed the 'shall issue' business.....not only no, but Hell no, on this one...!!!!
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    HazMatAceHazMatAce Member Posts: 12 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thank you. That was a very good "essay" on gun rights. I agree with you totaly and completly on the gun control laws. When the shooting at Columbine High School occurred people were saying "We need more gun control laws". It just so happens that those boys broke eighteen gun control laws when they went in there. How were 3 more supposed to stop them? Thank you
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    gunphreakgunphreak Member Posts: 1,791 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The only two correct views on gun kontrol....

    1. The reason crimes involving firearms go down is because there is sufficient firearms in the hands of those who will not commit crimes with or without firearms.

    2. The reason crimes involving firearms go up is because there is insufficient firearms in the hands of those who will not commit crimes with or without firearms.

    Conclusion. When there is not much crime, the people are well armed to combat evil. When there is a rash of crimes, the only rightful justifiable position is that firearms are needed to fight them off.
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    HazMatAceHazMatAce Member Posts: 12 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Quote by gunphreak
    Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.

    Thats right. My mom is founder and chairman of the Bill of Rights Committee and we have an BOR banquet every year.
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    HazMatAceHazMatAce Member Posts: 12 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Qoute by gunphreak

    1. The reason crimes involving firearms go down is because there is sufficient firearms in the hands of those who will not commit crimes with or without firearms.

    I agree. "If guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns".
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