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frousseau
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I'm curious to see what everyone thinks should happen with guns and laws. Obveously guns are and will remain to be a large part of our history. However with guns in the hands of wrong people, etc, what should be done? Personally the guns with the fingerprint crap, no way. Its a very hard topic though, I am just curious to see what people think.
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S.K.
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S.K.
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Im sure this may be in the wrong forum , if so im sorry.
In the US I understand that to own a Gun you require a Gun license. US passport holders and Green cards can get gun licenses.
Does anyone know if temporary workers/students etc on a permit can get a gun permit ?
Thanks
Can anyone tell me which state(s) is it legal to buy a gun from a private party without registration?
Regards -
Your Response should be, MUST BE!; "YOU CAN HAVE MY GUN WHEN YOU TAKE IT FROM MY COLD DEAD FINGERS"!
As for the politics, I agree that our nation has faced an onslaught from anti-gun politicians for the better part of 100 years now. However, what is even more disturbing is the power base behind these politicians. Someone (many people) are in fact putting these politicians into power and indeed AGREE with their policies. Even if the voting public was able to boot every anti-gun politician, we would still be faced with the threat of a large portion of the population that truly believes in the anti-gun cause and also believes that it is their right to IMPOSE that belief upon all the rest of us.
I think that is a scarier threat than the blowhard politicians. I hope there is still hope for our culture, though I grow more doubtful with each passing day.
-Wolf
Will people remain apathetic, rollover and play dead, as they have in the past? Or will they BE the squeaky wheel, make LOTS of noise, demand to be heard. Only time will tell.
Highballs scenario, of giving them enough rope to hang themselves, may be closer than some think. [;)]
WoundedWolf You have hit the nail on the head, some people do not get it, It is JOHN & JANE AMERICAN that is behind this push as much as the anyone, we are out numbered. The majority of americans supports gun bans. Even some gun people will support a ban for <censored> stlye weapons. Also we have LEO that has always push for gun control, alot of people forgets about that. JMHO
Guess again, buddy. The majority of this country DOES NOT support gun bans. Some of those Democrats that were elected did so on a gun rights platform. Had they shown opposition to gun rights, they would have surely been defeated.
Don't fear the anti, fear your fellow gun owners
Don't hate and fear the stridently anti-gun..thank your lucky stars that they identify themselves. They represent absolutely no threat at all.
No...gun control is brought to us on the wings of gun owners....people believing that nearly everybody but themselves are unfit to own a gun.
They represent a force that quietly, sneakily..stabs US...and the Constitution...in the back, every time they agree with the anti-gunners...weakening our position...America..and the Constitution.
People...there is ABSOLUTELY NO PLACE in the Constitution giving the goverment power to control firearms.....and everyone that agrees with " Project Exile" is contributing to the destruction of America...that and many, many more federal laws concerning guns...background checks...on and on and on.
I see hope. A select few willing to post here...and the tens of tens more unwilling to be put in the goverment computer as 'suspects'...in the "Oh So Free" country of ours.
Perverted, twisted out of recognition by those in power...aided and abeted by gun-owners that agree with gun laws.
One thing I don't like are the so called *hunters* who support gun laws. They shout about their "right" to own hunting rifles, but oppose the people who own handguns, or semi-auto AW look-alikes, or even full autos. We should all be in the same boat here.
"Two men are walking through the woods one day, when along come a bear. The men run and the bear chases after them. First guy looks at the second guy and says, "How are we going to outrun this bear?". The second guy turns to the first guy and says, "I'm not trying to outrun the bear. I'm trying to outrun you."
This prestty much sums it up. What these idiots fail to realize is that as soon as the antis are finished abolishing rifles and handguns with a defense purpose, they will go after the hunting arms. By that time, there will be no one left to speak up for them.
Folks 'round here have hit the nail on head....
Don't fear the anti, fear your fellow gun owners
Interestingly, I have urged fellow gun owners to try and find a way to work together to protect our rights, I have received more anger and hate right here on the GB.com forum and from supposely fellow gun owners than I have ever received from the anti-gun crowd.
Even if all my good intentions have been worthless, I still can say I have received more anger and hate from my fellow gun owners than from any anti-gunner. Sadly, maybe many people who like guns just cannot control their emotions and are quick and eager to slam even a brother gun owner. And that is just how I try to view my fellow gun owners; as brothers (or at least cousins) gun owners. I try to support their thoughts and ideas, I try to not get angry too quickly at them, I try to understand what they are trying to express, I try to not argue with the, etc.
Yet still I have experienced hate and anger from my "brothers".
[}:)]
And He said to them, "But now, whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and whoever has no sword is to sell his coat and buy one.
"Hate" is for little minds...those unable to function anywhere except in the emotions.
The fact is...every gun owner that supports 'reasonable' (says whom) gun control laws makes the enemy 10 times stronger then a left-leaning socialist ever could.
Stop supporting gun control, if you wish to become 'brothers'.
"Hate" is for little minds...those unable to function anywhere except in the emotions.
The fact is...every gun owner that supports 'reasonable' (says whom) gun control laws makes the enemy 10 times stronger then a left-leaning socialist ever could.
I will say it again. If and when our country goes up in flames, after the fire is over, you may dislike what you are left with even more than you dislike what you have now. And to make your situation even worse, you may be left with a very undesirable situation and have, unlike now with democracy, voting, two or more political parties, the right to leave this country, etc, ABSOUTELY NO WAY TO CHANGE OR IMPROVE YOUR SITUATION.
If a particular goal positively, absoutely has to be achieved (i.e. a freer America) then a smart person will put as many plans as he can into action in a desperate attempt to achive his goal and to do everything possible to avoid failure.
A smart person will try to use more than one way to reach a particular goal. If you and I were smart we would try to find a way to make productive use of both of our opposing positions.
In the case of Highball, it might be more productive for him to join the NRA, or some other national gun rights organization, work long and hard and become a powerful, high ranking leader of that organization, and then nudge that organization to become one whose members are actively willing to physically go to war with any corrupt American government.
Think about that all you gun "brothers."
Stridently against gun laws, he won a position of power in the NRA...was movig the organization into a real power against gun laws.
The compromisers broke him...drummed him out of power.
The things Fox talks about were barely possible 40 years ago. Had Knox gotten the support he needed from "Second Amendment Gun Owners"...perhaps the country would look different today.
He didn't. Gun owners supprt gun control...because the alternative " Seems" so much more terrible.
Tell that to the Founders, please. They bailed off into the unknown without even a dim trail to follow....WE have the Constitution...for all with eyes to see.. a brain to care with...and a heart stout enough
to stop fearing with.
After 40 years of study..I believe that this scnerio is the last, and ONLY chance to regain the Constitution and Bill or Rights...so warped, twisted and perverted by those in power as to be meaningless today.
That MUST happen through NO ACTS OF VIOLENCE BY AMERICANS...let me say at the top of my lungs. To commit such will absolutely doom us to defeat from the start.
Our Founders left us several boxes to retain liberty...the ballot box, the jury box...and the cartridge box.
The ballot is a travesty to honest men.
The Jury box is so perverted as to be a joke. "Jury of your peers, indeed"...Jury nullification means nothing to a spinless slug, afraid of his shadow...
Do we actually ask ourselves "Who among us shall be the first to fall?" You see any hands go up? And the anti-gunners seize each person's self-interests as the golden and often silent opportunity to divide the masses even further. 50 states plus one district make that task even easier.
FWIW, I'll listen to what every man has to say but only for a little while. I espouse absolutely NOTHING illegal or contrary to the laws of this great Nation nor will I ever entertain or listen to any such talk. But, if there is NO GAMEPLAN, NO LOBBYING STRATEGY, NO REAL UNITY among gun owners and enthusiasts, then all of our rhetoric and griping is as cheap and as plentiful as stale vinegar.
And before anyone takes any offense whatsoever at my comments, please stop a bit and truly reflect upon them. There is NO malice whatsoever in my comments. We are all in this together.
I stand squarely upon the Second Amendment. Where do you guys stand ?
Any time you want to cross over to the Constitution...feel free to do so.
I have watched "unity' bring us 20,000 gun laws.
Today...I call the shots as I see them.
quote: espouse absolutely NOTHING illegal or contrary to the laws of this great Nation nor will I ever entertain or listen to any such talk. But, if there is NO GAMEPLAN, NO
"All laws which are repugnant to the Constitution are null and void" Marbury vs. Madison, 5 US (2 CRANCH) 137,174,176,(1803)
"No one is bound to obey an unconstitutional law and no courts are bound to enforce it"
16 Am Jur 2d, Sec 177
Late 2d, Sec 256
The jist of what I speak about is...OBEY ALL LAWS.
Until they ban firearms and come for them.
It looks to me like it is going to pass. What is wrong with a consitutional amendment in all 50 states to drop out of the U.N., sell the building to Donald Trump, and let the U.N. gunfobic's [no not gunphobics] I'm a red neck and I like "gunfobic". spelling.
Regardless of gun laws the U.N. is a paper tiger, It's a financial Tsunami of red ink for our treasury. We could feed a lot of homeless, make America safer with the money we spend subsidizing that worthless group of parasites.
I just read my Safari Times paper copy page 18 that states "Arms Trade treaty Alive Again", the U N appeared to kill efforts to develope a global treaty restricting trade in small arms. The 2006 biennial meeting to preview progress on the Program, including on holding a meeting in 2008, and "I am sure it will be after election day"
It looks to me like it is going to pass. What is wrong with a consitutional amendment in all 50 states to drop out of the U.N., sell the building to Donald Trump, and let the U.N. gunfobic's [no not gunphobics] I'm a red neck and I like "gunfobic". spelling.
Regardless of gun laws the U.N. is a paper tiger, It's a financial Tsunami of red ink for our treasury. We could feed a lot of homeless, make America safer with the money we spend subsidizing that worthless group of parasites.
The only thing "united" about the United Nations is the fact that a whole bunch of countries/governments who hate us have their own club for them to meet and try and figure out ways to meddle in America's affairs and just generally cause us trouble.
And all the above is being done on our soil and we Americans pay for the single largest share of the expenses. And so not only do we get little or nothing for our money, but we get kicked around by the asshats at the UN.
PLEASE remember that the politicians YOU PUT INTO OFFICE are directly responsible for EVERY TREATY, DOLLAR, AND FORGIVEN BROKEN LAW by these Star Wars Bar scene freaks that suckle contentedly off your money.....
Therefore...YOU are directly responsible for those freaks...EVERY TIME YOU VOTE.
Began to understand why my position is..STOP VOTING..???
quote:Originally posted by Highball
Stop supporting gun control, if you wish to become 'brothers'.
"Hate" is for little minds...those unable to function anywhere except in the emotions.
The fact is...every gun owner that supports 'reasonable' (says whom) gun control laws makes the enemy 10 times stronger then a left-leaning socialist ever could.
I will say it again. If and when our country goes up in flames, after the fire is over, you may dislike what you are left with even more than you dislike what you have now. And to make your situation even worse, you may be left with a very undesirable situation and have, unlike now with democracy, voting, two or more political parties, the right to leave this country, etc, ABSOUTELY NO WAY TO CHANGE OR IMPROVE YOUR SITUATION.I disagree, the country will be left in disarray. Those willing to impose their idea of freedom in areas over which they may influence will build a following and do so. Those with other ideas of freedom will either fight for their areas or move to those where the sentiment is the same. Eventually, you have two areas of polar opposite ideologies either living separately in peace or at war with one another. A central government will have grown too weak and disorganized to do anything about it. As for me, I will influence my little piece of geography, spread the word and (if possible) make it grow
If a particular goal positively, absoutely has to be achieved (i.e. a freer America) then a smart person will put as many plans as he can into action in a desperate attempt to achive his goal and to do everything possible to avoid failure.
A smart person will try to use more than one way to reach a particular goal. If you and I were smart we would try to find a way to make productive use of both of our opposing positions.
In the case of Highball, it might be more productive for him to join the NRA, or some other national gun rights organization, work long and hard and become a powerful, high ranking leader of that organization, and then nudge that organization to become one whose members are actively willing to physically go to war with any corrupt American government.
Think about that all you gun "brothers."
That is an outstanding strategy
quote:Originally posted by tr fox
quote:Originally posted by Highball
Stop supporting gun control, if you wish to become 'brothers'.
"Hate" is for little minds...those unable to function anywhere except in the emotions.
The fact is...every gun owner that supports 'reasonable' (says whom) gun control laws makes the enemy 10 times stronger then a left-leaning socialist ever could.
I will say it again. If and when our country goes up in flames, after the fire is over, you may dislike what you are left with even more than you dislike what you have now. And to make your situation even worse, you may be left with a very undesirable situation and have, unlike now with democracy, voting, two or more political parties, the right to leave this country, etc, ABSOUTELY NO WAY TO CHANGE OR IMPROVE YOUR SITUATION.I disagree, the country will be left in disarray. Those willing to impose their idea of freedom in areas over which they may influence will build a following and do so. Those with other ideas of freedom will either fight for their areas or move to those where the sentiment is the same. Eventually, you have two areas of polar opposite ideologies either living separately in peace or at war with one another. A central government will have grown too weak and disorganized to do anything about it. As for me, I will influence my little piece of geography, spread the word and (if possible) make it grow
If a particular goal positively, absoutely has to be achieved (i.e. a freer America) then a smart person will put as many plans as he can into action in a desperate attempt to achive his goal and to do everything possible to avoid failure.
A smart person will try to use more than one way to reach a particular goal. If you and I were smart we would try to find a way to make productive use of both of our opposing positions.
In the case of Highball, it might be more productive for him to join the NRA, or some other national gun rights organization, work long and hard and become a powerful, high ranking leader of that organization, and then nudge that organization to become one whose members are actively willing to physically go to war with any corrupt American government.
Think about that all you gun "brothers."
That is an outstanding strategy
An outstanding strategy only if you will be willing to live with what will be left of America and with the idea you better, unlike now, like what is left of America becase there will be no methods available of going back except for more armed warfare.
If that armed warfare indeed is unavoidable, then as some here suggest lets get to it and get it over with. Just like having no choice to save your life but to have open heart surgery. However, with the future of our country and with the possibility of me some day facing open heart surgery, I would prefer to avoid both. And I am willing to work now in ways that may help me avoid both civil war and open heart surgery. This seems the only truly sensible course of action on the two subjects.