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Perhaps a step in the right direction?

RobatHrlyRobatHrly Member Posts: 478 ✭✭✭
I know this seems like common knowledge for us, and it's the way it should be, but it least it seems to be pro gun.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h110-73

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  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    Yes, this all seems 'reasonable'..on the surface.

    Notice all the verbiage,tho...

    How about a revolutionary idea.

    How about a short sentence, enacted into law..."The Second Amendment means EXACTLY what it says..and any official abridging it will go directly to jail"...
  • RobatHrlyRobatHrly Member Posts: 478 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I'd vote for you Highball[:)]
  • WoundedWolfWoundedWolf Member Posts: 1,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I did some plumbing this past weekend. Sweated some new copper pipe to replace some leaky spots in some old plumbing. I could have half-assed it and just repaired a leaky spot here and there, but there was nothing wrong with the design, it just needed some new material.

    Sometimes there is nothing wrong with the original design, you just need to replace the old parts with new parts. Why go to the extra effort of continually creating a convoluted workaround when you can just invest the time and patience to do it right from scratch, just as it was intended the first time.
  • RobatHrlyRobatHrly Member Posts: 478 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    This one may be interesting, they don't have a description on it yet

    H.R. 1096: To restore the second amendment rights of all Americans
    http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-1096
  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    That one looks to be Ron Paul...one of a short handful of Americans left in Congress.
    It will, of course, go nowhere in the cesspool of Washington.
  • pickenuppickenup Member Posts: 22,846 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by RobatHrly
    This one may be interesting, they don't have a description on it yet

    H.R. 1096: To restore the second amendment rights of all Americans
    http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-1096


    If anyone sees when the "text" is available on this one.
    Please let the rest of us know.
  • Wagon WheelWagon Wheel Member Posts: 633 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    H.R.1096 Text is not available yet. It takes awhile before it gets posted. I would venture to say it is very similar to his last bill H.R.1703 that died in committee.

    You can review it below:

    109th U.S. Congress (2005-2006)
    H.R. 1703: Second Amendment Protection Act of 2005
    Introduced (By Rep. Ronald Paul [R-TX]) 4/19/2005--Introduced. (no cosponsors)
    Official Title: To restore the second amendment rights of all Americans.

    Second Amendment Protection Act of 2005 - Repeals the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act and the Federal Firearms License Reform Act of 1993. Restores and revives any provisions they amended as if such Acts had not been enacted. Repeals provisions of the Internal Revenue Code and the Federal criminal code distinguishing firearms used or suitable for sporting purposes from the such firearms generally.

    ALL ACTIONS:
    4/19/2005: Referred to the Committee on the Judiciary, and in addition to the Committee on Ways and Means, for a period to be subsequently determined by the Speaker, in each case for consideration of such provisions as fall within the jurisdiction of the committee concerned
    4/19/2005: Referred to House Judiciary
    4/19/2005: Referred to House Ways and Means
    7/1/2005: Referred to the Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism, and Homeland Security.
    Last Action:
    Jul 1, 2005: House Judiciary: Referred to the Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism, and Homeland Security.

    Final Status: Introduced
    This bill was proposed in a previous session of Congress. Sessions of Congress last two years, and at the end of each session all proposed bills and resolutions that haven't passed are cleared from the books. This bill never became law.

    Full Text: Text of Legislation
    http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h109-1703
  • gunphreakgunphreak Member Posts: 1,791 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Highball
    Yes, this all seems 'reasonable'..on the surface.

    Notice all the verbiage,tho...

    How about a revolutionary idea.

    How about a short sentence, enacted into law..."The Second Amendment means EXACTLY what it says..and any official abridging it will go directly to jail"...


    How about "The Second Amendment means EXACTLY what it says...and any official abridging it is to be shot on sight for waging a private war against the populace."?
  • RobatHrlyRobatHrly Member Posts: 478 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    At the request of pickenup, here is the decription of Ron Paul's bill:

    http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h110-1096
  • pickenuppickenup Member Posts: 22,846 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thanks RobatHrly. [:D]

    Now THAT is what I'm talking about.
    Albeit small, it's a step in the RIGHT direction.
    This is the kind of legislation that the NRA, GOA, JPFO and ALL the pro-gun groups should be getting behind. I'll bet, any takers?

    Lets take some of our rights BACK.

    Too bad it will probably never make it out of committee. [V]

    RON PAUL for President.
  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    A thousand or so people bounced Zumbo out the door.

    Do you suppose that same thousand could be rallied to bombard politicians to support this bill ?
    How about a millon..ten million ?
    Anybody OUT there.. do you suppose ?
  • dsmithdsmith Member Posts: 902 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Highball
    A thousand or so people bounced Zumbo out the door.

    Do you suppose that same thousand could be rallied to bombard politicians to support this bill ?
    How about a millon..ten million ?
    Anybody OUT there.. do you suppose ?




    Anything's possible. However, I think the Zumbo issue was more related to removing the antis from our ranks, more than any particular issue.
  • Wagon WheelWagon Wheel Member Posts: 633 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Highball: anything is possable. The man put the gun to his head,the 1000 ensured he didn't miss but yhe Big Money Hunting Industry pulled the trigger.
    _____________________________

    I read an article concerng this in the Washington Post and e-mailed the author my response. Tell me if you agree withmy comments.

    RE:Gun remark makes outdoorsman an outcast
    Criticism of hunters who use assault rifles puts writer's career in jeopardy
    Updated: 12:22 a.m. ET Feb 24, 2007

    Mr. Hardin:

    I read your article:
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17307316/

    I noticed how many times "Assault Weapons", "Military Style" and simply "Semi-Automatic" are used in this article. The term "Terrorist Weapon" is still tossed about freely. What you fail to mention is that these are labels attached by the uninformed, left wing "ANTI GUN LIBERALS". Feel free to include yourself in this group.

    You, as well, completely missed OR IGNORED the cause of this action. It's not the GUN, "STUPID"; it's the "RIGHT" to have the gun. By calling it a Terrorist Weapon and calling for it to be banned, Zumbo sold out to the Liberal Left Wing Socialist's and Anti Gun Groups, which are constantly chipping away at our 2nd Amendment. That was the shot heard round the world. He committed professional suicide. In the eyes of the gun owners, it needed to be swift and painless. He pled guilty, and unlike the judicial system, justice was swift.

    And the Pat Wray comment that; " The NRA has trained members to attack their perceived enemies without mercy", is ludicrous. The NRA did NOT precipitate this attack. Irate defenders of the 2nd Amendment launched this action. Very effectively I might add.

    The NRA, like Zumbo, feeds off of the "Hunting" Industry. Second Amendment rights come "Second" to hunting, which unless your state has an Amendment, isn't Guaranteed anywhere. (My state has such an Amendment.) What they and the Government ignore is, the Constitution DOES Guarantee the right to keep and bear arms without stipulation based on "Color", make, and model or caliber or magazine capacity. If you want to be a successful journalist, I suggest you do some research before submitting such dribble. God knows this all started on the what, the 16th. You come out with this on the 24th. Didn't you have enough time to research the subject properly or have you sided with the Anti's, against the 2nd Amendment Rights To Keep and Bear Arms? On the surface, I'd say you're an anti.

    The Hunting Industry Fed and Clothed Both Zumbo (well it did, and probably will in his "Retirement" years), as well as the NRA Lobbyists. Us 2nd Amendment Advocates, as you stated, can't compete (financially) with them, thereby we the take a back seat and accept lose after lose of "OUR Rights", to preserve their commercialism and Greed. I feel that trend coming to an end.

    Let's get honest: Although all of these were contributing factors:
    1). His Ignorant statements aren't what brought him down.
    2). Irate 2nd Amendment supporters didn't bring him down. After all, the powers to be aren't "Funded" by us. "WE'RE the PO'Folks w/"Assaualt Weapons" and no `MONEY" to "CONTRBUTE" to the "LOBBYIST".

    Corporate acknowledgement is what sealed the deal. THEY brought him down. The "BIG MONEY GUYS". He became a corporate liability and in order to save face, and their business, they cut him loose. They witnessed the firestorm, saw the financial repercussions and after 40 years, bye-bye Zumbo. CALL US COLD BLOODED? I'll never look at another OUTDOOR Life magazine and I have already purchased my last Remington firearm and Remington brand ammo as well. Anyone associated with him, past or present, makes my boycott list.

    Activism, a lesson learned from the anti's, applied here, will be used in the future to countermand these oppressive gun control advocates. The secret; hit the source of their financing. George Soros and moveon.org are giants, but David did it. Why can't we?

    OBTW: Flying a flag doesn't make you a 'Patriot", especially 24/7 365. As any "Veteran" knows, there are specific "Rules" governing display. Another brain fart, or just a "Show". Just another ill-conceived attempt at being Patriotic. (Not un-like his NRA membership) SMOKE and Mirrors Friend!!

    The BOTTOM LINE:

    What the author, and Zumbo, failed to realize is that this was NOT about "ASSAULT WEAPONS", as defined by the MSM and the Anti 2nd Amendment a support group. It had nothing to do with hunting with "Black - Military Style- or Terrorist Style Weapons". The real story IS: Outdoors Entrepreneur Disrespects "2nd Amendment Rights and U.S. Military, Calls Them TERRORIST". Not to mention Veterans. MEN and Women who have been killed/maimed so Zumbo could experience the Freedom offer by The Constitution of this GREAT NATION, without having to contribute of himself. And then his call for/support of a weapons ban, in total contradiction of the 2nd Amendment, did him.
    A little food for thought:

    I think the ALL Federal Gun Control laws should be REVOKED. There are only about 20,000 on the books so far. Their intent, only to restrict the honest citizens rights and collect more revenue. None of these laws affect the criminal element. That's why they are called criminals, they ignore the law. Instead of legislation to prosecute the criminals, our astute leadership goes after the law abiding with further restrictive laws that actually create a larger problem. The Federal Government has proven they have no clue. Get out of the business of gun control.

    The "States" should be allowed to establish requirements for the safety of their citizens. After all, local governments are more "in touch" and the local police forces are the ones task with immediate enforcement. If the GBI does a thorough background check on me, says I can Legally Own Firearms, I am not a threat to society, what right has the Federal Government got in restricting what I buy? Let the "BLUE" states put their citizens lives at risk, but don't force those restrictions on my neighbors or me.

    I own, let's just say, more than one, of these "Terrorist" style "Assault Weapons". Mine must all be defective. My neighbors aren't running scared or calling the Law on me. The darned things haven't broken out and "assaulted" anyone nor have they committed any crimes on their own or with assistance. Should I send them back for repair or is this the normal behavior of a gun?

    "Law Abiding Citizens" with Guns ARE NOT THE PROBLEM. Guns ARE NOT THE PROBLEM.

    Constant attacks on our 2nd Amendment Right and disarming law abiding citizens and thereby subjecting them to predation by the criminal element of our society, IS the problem.

    Failure to uphold the criminal code IS, (Ask Bill to define IS. Maybe that's not such a good idea.) the problem.

    A fact the Liberals don't want you and I to know, the criminal element will pass on someone they know or merely believe capable of self-defense. Areas, without restrictive gun laws, have lower crime rates.
    __________________________

    I had another paragraph in there about Uncle Ted but cut it out so as not to give him any ammo.
  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    That, Wagon wheel, is a pretty good string of words. Don't believe I could have said it better myself.

    I have one suggestion...or whatever you wish to call it. Your tag line...
    quote:If you do happen to live in a democratic country, you still probably don't know much about democracy. That's because most of the people who live in such societies take democracy for granted: The last thing a fish is likely to think about is water.
    This here ain't 'sposed to be a Democracy...the best defination being.."Two coyotes and a rabbit deciding whats for dinner"...

    Rather a Republic..where we elect decent men to go make Constitutional laws for us....then go home to their REAL jobs after a few years...
    "Decent men" and the present politicians I realize is sort of an oxymoron...
  • Wagon WheelWagon Wheel Member Posts: 633 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Highball:

    Thank you. Took me some time to hunt and peck that string. Worth the effort in my opinion.

    IRT:
    quote:
    If you do happen to live in a democratic country, you still probably don't know much about democracy. That's because most of the people who live in such societies take democracy for granted: The last thing a fish is likely to think about is water.

    I found this quote while reading:

    INTERNATIONAL SEMINAR ON LIBERAL DEMOCRACY:
    Democracy, Freedom and the Rule of Law
    Atlas Economic Research Foundation,
    5/16 May, 2006

    http://www.defenddemocracy.org/publications/publications_show.htm?doc_id=373222

    I liked it, posted it.

    quote:
    Rather a Republic..where we elect decent men to go make Constitutional laws for us....then go home to their REAL jobs after a few years...
    "Decent men" and the present politicians I realize is sort of an oxymoron...


    Democracy literally meams; "rule by the people".

    Republic is generally applied to a state where the government's political power depends solely on the consent, however nominal, of the people governed.

    In reality, we no longer have either. We took it for granted and it has almost completely escaped our grasp.
  • pickenuppickenup Member Posts: 22,846 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Wagon Wheel
    In reality, we no longer have either.
    SAD [V]
    But true.
  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    My understanding...I have been told, anyway...that up until about 1928 the War College taught officers that Democracy was an evil institution...that it amounted to mob rule.

    Hitler proved that by telling a lie often enough, loud enough, most people can be convinced of ANYTHING...

    And witness America today.
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