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Firearms sold from vending machines?
WoundedWolf
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Another idea from Highball? Nope, it was Mr. TR Fox that first presented this idea (albeit tongue-in-cheek) almost 2 years ago on this forum. He actually asked for a ROLL CALL on who would support selling guns out of vending machines and who would not.
I have been mulling over this concept for almost 2 years, and I think it may be the most poignant gun rights litmus test I have yet encoutered. Those that believe that firearms should be sold out of vending machines may have the purest grasp of the true intention of the Second Amendment. Yet, even I cannot go along with the idea wholeheartedly. Therefore I admit that I would support some level of infringement upon our gun rights. It is a sad realization.
Where do you stand? Do you support the sale of firearms in vending machines?
I have been mulling over this concept for almost 2 years, and I think it may be the most poignant gun rights litmus test I have yet encoutered. Those that believe that firearms should be sold out of vending machines may have the purest grasp of the true intention of the Second Amendment. Yet, even I cannot go along with the idea wholeheartedly. Therefore I admit that I would support some level of infringement upon our gun rights. It is a sad realization.
Where do you stand? Do you support the sale of firearms in vending machines?
Comments
YES
The idea being...we DEMAND 'swift and speedy punishment' from our elected corruption...and not gun laws to make it better.
On the other hand, I am all for them being kept under lock and key until sold. It is our responsibility as owners, sellers and manufacturers to make these devices difficult if not impossible to steal. A vending machine for firearms does neither of these things on its own, and is irresponsible.
But I do believe they should be able to be sold to any male over the age of 17 and possibly even females, pistols, rifles, shotguns, suppressors, SBR's, SBS's, SMG's, and Select-fire rifles should be able to be sold over the counter, no questions asked, to anyone from any state. No background checks, no Form 4473's, no tax stamps, no LEO approval.... nothing.
For that matter, add grenade launchers, grenades, 40mm ammunition, BPV'sm, and NVD, too.
I would offer one addendum...set the machine up to only release a gun upon swiping a drivers license thru the slot. This would prevent children easy access to guns...which SHOULD be the parents decision as to when to trust a child.
People..this NOT be done in todays enviroment..entirely too many idiots out there..let us face the facts.
However...in the event of catacylmisic changes..civil unrest, say...the cleansing of the criminal pool WOULD advance rapidily...and citizens could again be trusted to do the right thing...or risk swift..or sudden...justice.
Once again...one has to know where we would LIKE to go...before we can know where we are.
Breaking into a 'vending machine that sold guns would be a capital offense...first time would be the last. No problem from me over that.
I would offer one addendum...set the machine up to only release a gun upon swiping a drivers license thru the slot. This would prevent children easy access to guns...which SHOULD be the parents decision as to when to trust a child.
People..this NOT be done in todays enviroment..entirely too many idiots out there..let us face the facts.
However...in the event of catacylmisic changes..civil unrest, say...the cleansing of the criminal pool WOULD advance rapidily...and citizens could again be trusted to do the right thing...or risk swift..or sudden...justice.
Once again...one has to know where we would LIKE to go...before we can know where we are.
In red above. Hhhhmmmmmm.....kinda like completing and submitting a federal FFL form 4473, EH HIGHBALL??? Hehehehehehehe.
(Note to self: Mark day on calendar for purpose of yearly celebration. I got Highball big-time)
To sum it up, there should be no law saying you can't sell a submachine gun or Assault Rifle, grenade launcher, etc., etc., from a vending machine. But for practical reasons, I think that person to person transfers would be preferable in almost all situations.
[:D]
I think it should be legal for them to be sold in vending machines. I never thought about the insecure nature of the machines, and the high probability that guns would be stolen from the machine. It seems insecure just leaving them to be broken into like that, but then again, a lot of gun shops leave their handguns in glass display cases, and rifles and shotguns on gun racks on the wall.
To sum it up, there should be no law saying you can't sell a submachine gun or Assault Rifle, grenade launcher, etc., etc., from a vending machine. But for practical reasons, I think that person to person transfers would be preferable in almost all situations.
And to make that "preferable situation" a reality would probably require.............a gun law?
NO records...NO empty suit passing judgements on you...NO crawling on your belly to beg permission from the above mentioned empty suit.."Daddy, can I buy a gun"...
And if you didn't want to swipe the drivers license..drive a block to the nearest hardware or grocery store or gas station...and buy a Thompson .45...NO records...NO begging..pay your money and walk...
See. Anyone who does not want firearms being sold out of vending machine by default supports at least limited gun control.
This is not gun kontrol. This is accepting a right with all the responsibilities that comes along with it.
Breaking into a 'vending machine that sold guns would be a capital offense...first time would be the last. No problem from me over that.
I would offer one addendum...set the machine up to only release a gun upon swiping a drivers license thru the slot. This would prevent children easy access to guns...which SHOULD be the parents decision as to when to trust a child.
People..this NOT be done in todays enviroment..entirely too many idiots out there..let us face the facts.
However...in the event of catacylmisic changes..civil unrest, say...the cleansing of the criminal pool WOULD advance rapidily...and citizens could again be trusted to do the right thing...or risk swift..or sudden...justice.
Once again...one has to know where we would LIKE to go...before we can know where we are.
Highball-
You know as well as I do that I find it hard to disagree with you, but in this case, I do, to some extent, and would only like you to listen to what I have to say and see if it makes any sense....
I say "no" to the driver's license thing. It is a legislated fix to keeping guns away from kids, but I say there is nothing wrong with a child being in possession of a firearm. A child cannot, by definition, own any property, and is not responsible for their actions. A machine cannot make the determination without creating an unnecessary paper trail that the gun will go into the hands of a child. Nor can it defend itself within the boundaries of the law, simply because booby trapping is immoral and unethical, and thus can be invaded with no defense. it is our job as responsible citizens to ensure this type of property is not easily stolen.
As many, including you, have pointed out, criminals and terrorists are not discouraged by laws, and would not give a damn about a capital offense on them for raiding a vending machine. they would however be encouraged by the fact that there are batteries holding many guns in public undefended and ripe for the picking. This is not good.... I'm not in favor of arming those who are truly bad guys in a way like this.
quote:Originally posted by dsmith
I think it should be legal for them to be sold in vending machines. I never thought about the insecure nature of the machines, and the high probability that guns would be stolen from the machine. It seems insecure just leaving them to be broken into like that, but then again, a lot of gun shops leave their handguns in glass display cases, and rifles and shotguns on gun racks on the wall.
To sum it up, there should be no law saying you can't sell a submachine gun or Assault Rifle, grenade launcher, etc., etc., from a vending machine. But for practical reasons, I think that person to person transfers would be preferable in almost all situations.
And to make that "preferable situation" a reality would probably require.............a gun law?
Why would it require a gun law? i think it would be the capitalistic thing to do to sell a firearm off the shelf and pay for it in cash, rather than allowing an outside machine handle the money.
quote:Originally posted by tr fox
See. Anyone who does not want firearms being sold out of vending machine by default supports at least limited gun control.
This is not gun kontrol. This is accepting a right with all the responsibilities that comes along with it.
With totally no gun control, anyone can obtain (purchase?) a firearm anytime anyplace no questions asked nor any requirements. To avoid this situation I just described requires GUN CONTROL LAWS.
I'd be for it.
I do not believe guns are responsible for crimes. I do not believe a proliferation of guns in circulation would lead to an increase in crime.
Punish the criminals swiftly and harshly and we won't have to worry about the vending machine falling into the "wrong hands"
Punish the criminals swiftly and harshly and we won't have to worry about the vending machine falling into the "wrong hands"
I do find it funny that the liberals always use the buzz word "wrong hands" to describe anybody not affiliated with the government or their personal bodyguard. [:(!]
Why would it require a gun law? i think it would be the capitalistic thing to do to sell a firearm off the shelf and pay for it in cash, rather than allowing an outside machine handle the money.
Exactly. This is why we probably wouldn't see vending machines selling guns even if this were legal. Not only would the machine have several hundred dollars for each gun sold, it would also contain the guns themselves. One or two machines broken into would cost the dealer thousands of dollars in lost merchandise, plus the money that was used to buy the previously sold guns.
I fully understand your position.
Let me advance a thing or two. The age limit was for 'unparented' buying of guns by children..something even I am uncomfortable with. Not children having guns, mind you...merely having access without parential approval.
As for the idea...it is a great idea...without the possibility of working. As mentioned...security would be nearly impossible to maintain..and while I believe that a few public hangings would diminish the urge to thieve,ending thievery is out of the question.
As a purely Second Amendment idea, it merely is something decent men kick around as they explore the boundaries of 'that which ought to be'...versus the Socialist/Fascist version of 'what can we take away next'....
quote:I do find it funny that the liberals always use the buzz word "wrong hands" to describe anybody not affiliated with the government or their personal bodyguard Now there is a quotation I wish I had thought of....[:D]
quote:Originally posted by gunphreak
quote:Originally posted by tr fox
See. Anyone who does not want firearms being sold out of vending machine by default supports at least limited gun control.
This is not gun kontrol. This is accepting a right with all the responsibilities that comes along with it.
With totally no gun control, anyone can obtain (purchase?) a firearm anytime anyplace no questions asked nor any requirements. To avoid this situation I just described requires GUN CONTROL LAWS.
I don't thionk that it does at all. I can't think of a single person who deals in firearms that would think this is a good idea. They are not willing to invest thousands of dollars on merchandise so it can be stolen from a machine when nobody's looking. A law isn't required for gun dealers to know this is stupid....
quote:Originally posted by HighVolumeOfFire
Punish the criminals swiftly and harshly and we won't have to worry about the vending machine falling into the "wrong hands"
I do find it funny that the liberals always use the buzz word "wrong hands" to describe anybody not affiliated with the government or their personal bodyguard. [:(!]
I like it, smithy!!!
Like this one: "Why is it that Rosie O'Donnell is the biggest mouthpiece for gun kontrol, and we should listen to her, despite the fact that she utilizes armed guards for her protection, AND has a history of mental illness.. Unfathomable!!!"
Of course there is the Swiss and Israeli model... You are now 18, get on the bus for your mandatory 2 years of military service and when you are done you get to take your rifle home with you.
[8D]
quote:How about this? You are now 18, and you are now an adult. Here is your voter registration card. You are now enrolled in Selective Service. And here is your gun. Read the book of instructions, and the law on use of the vote, and the gun. Call us if you have questions. Congratulations.
Of course there is the Swiss and Israeli model... You are now 18, get on the bus for your mandatory 2 years of military service and when you are done you get to take your rifle home with you.
[8D]
I'd do it!!! You might see a lot less of the people being unruly, and hold a more disciplined approach to life, this way.
People..this NOT be done in todays enviroment..entirely too many idiots out there..let us face the facts.
Anybody that has the right to be walking the streets that's of age should be allowed to be able to protect themselves. Otherwise they should be in prison. Who has the right to determine who's an idiot or not? If he's free he's obviously not done anything bad enough to be locked up for. So who determines that he's not fit to be able to protect himself. Just because someone can't get a gun out of a vending machine is anyone stupid enough to think he can't get one some where else. If he's a criminal, given the chance, he's gonna steal the whole damn vending machine anyway.
Smitty
It may get ugly.
http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=238983
I re-posted this topic in General Discussion for pure entertainment value.
It may get ugly.
http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=238983
I just got on and haven't been to the general discussion forum yet. Now I'm kinda afraid to go there because I can imagine what kind of bababooeystorm is going on about selling firearms out of a vending machine. I myself was afraid to post that topic over there so I respect WoundedWolf for having the guts to do so. After a few drinks, I will wander on over there and see what's going on.
How many for, against.
We shall see.
5 users said that selling guns from vending machines should be ILLEGAL.
7 users said that selling guns from vending machines should be LEGAL.
10 users gave an ambiguous answer that did not address the question or clearly state their opinion.
Here is my tally. There were 22 individual users that responded to the thread (excluding TR).
5 users said that selling guns from vending machines should be ILLEGAL.
7 users said that selling guns from vending machines should be LEGAL.
10 users gave an ambiguous answer that did not address the question or clearly state their opinion.
About what I would expect.
The ones I counted as ambiguous included Spider7115 posting the vending machine photo, Captplaid saying the quality of the guns would be "cheap", Thunderbolt saying it would be "rough on the finish", etc.
If they didn't give a clear opinion on the issue then I counted it as ambiguous.
But I do believe they should be able to be sold to any male over the age of 17 and possibly even females
And POSSIBLY even females? Gee, how very generous of you, to POSSIBLY extend the Bill of Rights to the other 51% of Americans who probably need it the most. [:(!]
This is the kind of s**t I can't stand, it makes gun owners look like knuckle-dragging ignorant cavemen.