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To pose THE question
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I want to pose THE question. Before anyone answers , PLEASE think about it first. here goes: Where is the line in the sand for you?(this is the question, others are food for thought) At what point will you pick up arms and water the tree of liberty with the blood of patriotism? Who would lead you? What specifically would the targets be? How would this revolution be funded? would laws other than gun rights be changed? Other questions ring to mind, but enough of them now.. I am curious to know who is a couch critic and who is really fed up with the country's downward spiral.
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I can't even say if I would fight any more for my neighbor or fellow man. I see little in them that I would be willing to defend.
The targets? Whomever would bring harm to the ones I love. The revolution would be funded in blood, because no doubt I wouldn't survive long. I wouldn't expect many, if any, to stand up for me. I would probably be cut down quickly and quietly.
I wasn't posing the question to get a "ban". It is a serious and legitimate question. Where else but on the internet are so many supposed to exchange ideas and thoughts? With all that has been done to the citizens of this country , SOMEONE should pose this question. If for nothing else than to show the evil of this country, where our line is. To say "push us one inch more and this will come to pain and bleeding". I am NOT advocateing drive-by's on the whitehouse or anything of that nature. More curious of the percentage of people like myself that are willing to fight, ready to fight. I have found personally that phone calls and letters only get so far. Once a bad movement (like gun control) starts, it never stops. As far as I'm concerned it started with the machine gun ban. There are too many problems created/unsolved to ignore. SO, where do you all stand?
Trust me on this one....
Do not be fooled into thinking that these anti-conspiracy statutes are about enforcing morality. They're not. They're about the Amerikwan state keeping its monopoly on power by forbidding any serious discussion of remedies. Therefore, these statutes are actually immoral. We should be allowed to discuss this topic fully and freely without fear of legal consequences.
The fact that we may not fully discuss this issue is a very interesting fact. Legally, we can only go so far in these types of discussions before the excrement heads at some federal agency start breaking into people's homes and shutting this board down.
Do not be fooled into thinking that these anti-conspiracy statutes are about enforcing morality. They're not. They're about the Amerikwan state keeping its monopoly on power by forbidding any serious discussion of remedies. Therefore, these statutes are actually immoral. We should be allowed to discuss this topic fully and freely without fear of legal consequences.
You da' MAN!!!
quote:Originally posted by Wehrwolf
The fact that we may not fully discuss this issue is a very interesting fact. Legally, we can only go so far in these types of discussions before the excrement heads at some federal agency start breaking into people's homes and shutting this board down.
Do not be fooled into thinking that these anti-conspiracy statutes are about enforcing morality. They're not. They're about the Amerikwan state keeping its monopoly on power by forbidding any serious discussion of remedies. Therefore, these statutes are actually immoral. We should be allowed to discuss this topic fully and freely without fear of legal consequences.
You da' MAN!!!
Thank you.
When you think about it, laws against "conspiracy to overthrow the U.S. government" are more crooked than a Las Vegas casino. In the latter case, even though the odds are stacked in favor of "the house", there is some chance of coming out on top. These laws, on the other hand, expressly forbid actual planning to fight the U.S. government, no matter how evil, corrupt, and decadent it becomes.
This is what may happen with our rights. Take them slowly and we may endure a vast erosion of rights without an uproar. But if you take them quickly that is a different story.
The frog theory was what I truely expected. VERY FEW actually will ever stand up and be counted if ever. The slow removal of our liberties is WHY people will not stand. Don't get me wrong, I am willing to stand , just not alone. Alone you look like a radical looney. Thomas Jefferson would be appauld at America. I am appauled. To some who would make the statement that they would stand for their family, but not their fellow men/women, rethink what you are saying.Good thing the revolutionaries didn't think like that or there would be no democacy here.They fought even though the Tories sat on their hands. I say to the doubters and the scared little pansies , are you a Tory or an American? The mere fact people will not organize on ALL aspects of our liberties (More than just the second amendment) truely shows some peoples true colors. Am I angry? You bet! Am I angry at anyone in particular here? No . I am willing to bet if anyone read enough about the Rev. war and compared today to then, you will see clearly how things are FAR, FAR worse. If it only took so little then(not little to them at that time) what will it take today? If you care about yor family, your country, and your future, DRAW A LINE. With every compromise we justify it. Would we take fire away because someone would be burned? Would we outlaw bathtubs because someone may drown? Should we silence freedom of speach because someone may be offended? How many more time shall we justify loss of liberty for the sake of percieved saftey?
Like I said , Yeah, I am mad. Mad because I seem to feel I am the only one truely SERIOUS about what the founding Fathers fought and died for. Of coarse I could be wrong. I seem to stand alone , and I think moreso , for no other reason than, people are afraid.
And you want organizational structures ,dates, impact points, leaders..on and on and on and on.
Sure.
Let me explain, say, just one burning question you have;
Leaders;
Leaders will spring forth from the populace..full grown complete with big teeth. They will be people that survive the first contacts with the enemy...and will have counter-attacked effectivily. Other people will be drawn to them....they will NOT be those one would expect to lead the fight to restore the Constitution.
You have 5 posts, freemind;
And you want organizational structures ,dates, impact points, leaders..on and on and on and on.
Sure.
Let me explain, say, just one burning question you have;
Leaders;
Leaders will spring forth from the populace..full grown complete with big teeth. They will be people that survive the first contacts with the enemy...and will have counter-attacked effectivily. Other people will be drawn to them....they will NOT be those one would expect to lead the fight to restore the Constitution.
Yup!
When you decide to pick up your rifle and fight tyranny let us know...
Call coward where you will.
However...I challenge you. Join me in calling for a total gun ban...RIGHT NOW. Call you congresscoruption person and give permission to go door-to-door starting Monday with the police to collect guns.
You see..we have already LOST..the Constitution is ALREADY burned...and fighting to retain what little we have left is ludicrous.
The absolute last chance we have is a bold move by the Elites....that move being to grab the guns.
At that juncture..we Second Amendment supporters will either win...or we lose.
If we lose, I...and you, if your hummingbird * is half as brave as your alligator mouth is...will be dead or running.
If we win..those guns will be sold out of vending machines, as we have discussed here before.
Before you get so excited that nobody wants to play the game YOUR way...please spend some time reading the threads in this section and LEARN something.
I can see why new people don't feel welcome here . If someone isn't willing to conform to the posters will here their ideas are poo-poo'd . I SEE exactly what Fred (from shotgun news)is saying now. I didn't believe how lazy people are. Was not the fight allready started with Waco and Ruby Ridge? Leaders my behind! People didn't rally around these people when they needed America to BE America! While many were stitting home watching on their tubes in the perceived saftey of their homes the American spirit died some. While Katrina ripped though L.A. and the cops disarmed LAW ABIDING citizens. We all sat back and watched. While the border gaurds protect our borders and get thrown in prison for it, we sit back and watch. LAZY AND SCARED. Fred was absolutely RIGHT. The previously mentioned people WERE leaders. Did they lose the fight? Yes. Were they out gunned many times to one? You bet. I don't know what leader you people think will come along with the military capibility of the U.S. military, but THAT won't happen. In otherwords, if thats what people expect, burn the constitution NOW. The military and law enforcement have allready shown they WILL attack innocents when TOLD to do so. This forum isn't so PRO second amend. anymore as I see it. Most of you all have just shown me that. You will never keep your bill of rights begging for them. There is absoutely no force to keep US FREE. I will make a prediction for you all . Prove me wrong, I dare you all. I predict NO MATTER who is elected president in 2008 the perminant Clinton gun ban passes. It will happen between 2008 and 2012. Even Republicans have anti gunners running. We all lose now. Your all right, why fight? After all the government will ALLWAYS protect us. It will ALLWAYS give us more and more freedom. It will NEVER turn on us. At least I know who are the MEN and who are the MICE.
More often than not, I see Fred's posts in the SGN as a form of "get out there and shoot" and "fight the soft war, now, before it becomes the hard war."
Never once have I ever seen him write in his articles to fight the gov't hard war style.
To say call for a total ban, what a silly idea. If they did move forward VERY FEW would get serious about picking up arms. Look at L.A. They disarmed them and who put up a fight?
And rackops, you really think I am just taking out my backside? Think again . I am ready for the revolution. Why good does it do for me to die like Ruby ridge, waco, or the south for that matter? I am convinced what you all acuse me of being, you are all guilty of. None of you are really serious about saving anything. Nobody has been serious since the Civil war. Seems when you get down to it, it was good enough for others to shed their blood for our fortune but we won't do it for the future, let alone ourselves.
The illusion that some of you allow yourselves to believe is scary. Where is the brave americans? Besides over in the middle east, is there any bravery left here?
I am not scared to die. I know where I will be when I die. What pains can this life give us, other than what we allow to happen to us?
You look at these kooks who cause the 9/11 attacks. They weren't afraid to die for their beliefs, even if they are WRONG. The founders weren't afraid to die for the RIGHT beliefs, neither were the southerners. IF the revolutions happens, people will die. We know that. All this boils down to FEAR, which no person yet disputes.
Apparently fear is stronger than freedom, which explains why we are the only country to ever have all these freedoms, which we give away willingly. Does anyone here doubt my arguement about fear? Does anyone doubt my prediction of the gun ban? I am not perfect, nor allways right. However I am right about our God given rights.
Perhaps I have come across as abrasive/aggresive. That really isn't my intent. All I see and hear is couch potatoe critics. Some here, some everywhere. I would be nice for a change to see SOMEONE grow some hair and stand up. I am ready , are you? Long live Thomas Jefferson's ideas. Bless those who have the bravery to implement them. I pray I am not the only one in America who is REALLY ready.
I don't have those that disagree, only wish they would see the light of liberty.
When you decide to pick up your rifle, let us know.
Hello!I am new here but I liked the topic! No one, and I mean no one will know what they will do until they get that knock on the door (or someone breaks it down)wheather they will be a sheep for the rest of their lives or chance everything. That is where the line in the sand will be drawn for most. Maybe live,maybe die.Everyone seems to hope that eventually we will elect a congress that isn't overrun with idiots. I don't think I will ever live to see that day.All that I(or you) can do is hope for justice and prepare for evil.You lead yourself,you lead from the front,and you lead by example,and hope that day never comes.
Well said.
***Yawn***
When you decide to pick up your rifle, let us know.
Is that all you can say? I don't hear you saying anything other than "when you". When will you? You point me in the direction of the fight and I will be there. That is kind of a retoricle statement Rackops. There is no hard war now, like I said before, because of fear. And those that thinks the war starts when they knock on your door? They allready have! Nobody is answering the call yet. Just because the knock isn't on YOUR particular door doesn't mean it won't BE YOUR DOOR. When it is , YOU will be out gunned, out manned, out manuvered, and out witted. I am not wrong and you all know it.
I'm not the one calling everyone else on the forum "lazy and scared". Since we are all limp-wristed cowards in your eyes, I was merely inviting you to show us the error of our ways and lead by example.
As I've said before, no one knows what they will do if the time ever comes. I do predict, however, that those who do choose to fight won't simply wait on the local SWAT team to kick their door in.
That simple.
'Drastic action' means widespread draconion laws, rules, roadblocks...as the gun confiscations take efect..or insurmountable taxes leved against the populace.
Like it or not..the American people are dumbed down to the point that the last hope for freedom is a major push by the government to take away even the illusion of freedom we have today.
If a gun ban takes place...and nobody fights...WE DAMN WELL DESERVE TO BE DISARMED...only men/women with courage ought to be armed, anyway...
I, big mouth, am ready to risk a gun ban. How about YOU ??
Meanwhile, let me assure you that only the truly stupid talk openly about 'plans,preparations,targets,leaders...ect'....
OR...as the Russians say..."Let a thousand flowers grow"....
Nobody here is going to join your little 'lets take the fight to the enemy' group...not today, at any rate...
Meanwhile, let me assure you that only the truly stupid talk openly about 'plans,preparations,targets,leaders...ect'....
OR...as the Russians say..."Let a thousand flowers grow"....
Your absolutely right. The founding fathers were truly stupid. What kooks to think they deserved anything, and that silly crap about god given rights, and that little piece of toilet paper called the constitution! What goofs they were!
Come on. your smarter than that. Is freedom a light that we hide in the closet or do we display it openly?
At least my other post seems to have opened eyes or at LEAST has brought my point across.
You live with the twisted, corrupted, slimy run out seed of the Founders...and they will kill or inprison you for spouting off about 'freedom'...the kind of freedom they visulized.
I believe that in the next few years, there may well be a crack develop that COULD lead to America rediscovering her roots.
You can help...or you can rot in jail or underground...because you could not contain your tongue.
Your choice.
Young friend.....
You live with the twisted, corrupted, slimy run out seed of the Founders...and they will kill or inprison you for spouting off about 'freedom'...the kind of freedom they visulized.
I believe that in the next few years, there may well be a crack develop that COULD lead to America rediscovering her roots.
You can help...or you can rot in jail or underground...because you could not contain your tongue.
Your choice.
#1 I am not that young. Being in your mid thirties may be youngto some, not me.
#2 I can't agrue any different "You live with the twisted, corrupted, slimy run out seed of the Founders". I admit that much.
#3"and they will kill or inprison you for spouting off about 'freedom'" .... O.K., maybe they would like to.
#4"I believe that in the next few years, there may well be a crack develop that COULD lead to America rediscovering her roots." Uh huh, I bet. Remember the 20,000 cuts ordeal? Liberals are not that dumb and bold as to take everything at once. IF there is a "club" I am missing out on, point me in the right direction.
#5 "You can help...or you can rot in jail or underground...because you could not contain your tongue." Why should I contain my tounge? Being silent and NOT pointing out my pointof view does NOT inspire any debate.
I don't claim to be worldly on what goes on behind other peoples closed doors but if there is some "club" that shares my views and is making moves or plans to what you elude to, point me in the right direction. If you are simply blowing smoke , don't tell me to silence my first amendment rights. Don't tell me to sit back and allow the country to destruct over a minority of radical socialists.
I can appreciate the topic of debate, but for some of us to answer will require us to reveal too much. A poker player doesn't play with his hand face up, now does he???
I am currently taking up some classes and already applied for a green card in Canada.
No country is worth dying for. Why? Because patriotism is a two way street: I love my country and it loves me back. The way it is now, is a sadomasochism. I sure as hell can't make a difference, since I have to fight: illegal immigrants, corporations, affirmative action, bad medical system, bad education system, oppressive gun laws and domestic surveilance program. The USSR was lost in 1990, I left.
The USA will be lost at atound 2010-2015. I came to USA with $200 to my name. If leaving today for canada, I will leave with $150000 to my name and still make money out of the 3 properties that I own in USA.
The message was sent to us loud and clear at Ruby Ridge and Waco.
Those who spoke against the government got demonized and then killed.
Very similar to how USSR and Nazi Germany worked. (They had a total "anti subversive elements" law and "gun control" laws too, but they had some good ideas as well.)
My education will be done in about 2 years. Then, I am outta here.
I don't have a homeland anymore, since USSR doesn't even exist anymore. As far as I am concern: my country is fallen, the rest of the world may burn in hell. I will go to any country, learn any language and live as a tax paying, law obiding citizen. However, do not expect more out of me until the country shows to me that it is worthy of my sacrifice.
I see my self as a man whos family house got burned down and he is renting. He will pay his rent bill on time, he will respect the demands of the landlord, but it is a rental home, not his TRUE home.
I am insterested in the welfare of the country in which I am living at the moment, simply because I live there. The same way that when I rented an appartment I wanted it to be clean, since I have to live in it. I may like an appartment I rent. I may not. It will never be home.
Metaphoricly speaking, The way it is, the appartment I am living it just got rats, roaches, the water is bad, the toilet doesn't work, the roof is leaking, the walls are cracking, the floor is weakening. The garbage isn't taken out regularly. My landlord doesn't want to fix it. Screw him. I will save up and move to a new appartment.
I have never receiver a dime in unemployment. I have never received a dime of social assistance. However, this country wants to treat me as a potential criminal with the Domestic Spy program, deny me a constitutional rights to have whatever gun I want and then dare to deny my children affordable education and easily accessible medicine?
Screw that. I am staying here until I get more experience and knowledge in my field, then I am off to Canada, and I do not give a damn about what happens here anymore. I give up.
The people are complacent sheep, many of them are ignorant too. Most of them are constantly scared, scared even of theigh neighbours. How come in USSR a man can hug and kiss his nephew and nobody thinks anything about "child abuse". People here are fragging insane and constantly scared of everything...
The govermnent consists of two parties: Idiot party and Villain Party. No matter which one gets in power we get screwed. Two wolves and a sheep voting who is for dinner.
Those who talk about "taking a stand" are just that - hot air balloons. Nobody is going to put their * in front of a bunch of armored and armed to the teeth "defenders of the people" known as NKVD.. no, that ain't right, wrong country...Gestapo... oh sorry... I meant SS... oh, damn, another Freudean slip. I mean FBI, Police DEA, you know. your normal brave, female bartender beating jackbooted, fat thugs, drunk on their own power and importance. I understand that they have to compensate somehow that they could not get a real job and cut it in the university or even in the military, but those guys go overboard.
You can't make a strong building if you have offal for building material...
THAT was an interesting rant. What was cut out might be more interesting still.
While a tourist sometimes may have keen observations of a foreign culture..they may also fall down when it comes to judging the heart of a people...ALL the people.
Just because what gets all the attention is garbage...does NOT mean that ALL the people are garbage.
Tigers belief that everybody will lick the feet of the masters is indeed a ploy that I urge EVERYBODY to send to Washington...and in the final analysis ,if that is what we the final defenders of the Constitution DO...then we deserve exactly what we get.
Get thee on up to your Socialist Utopia...and leave the final defense of liberty and freedom to men....
I just believe that nobody is going to oppose them. People will quietly grumble in their kitchens, and do nothing. Pretty much like so called "dissidents" did in USSR.
When do people rebel? When you have nothing else to loose.
If you still have NASCAR, American Idol, WWE, Hip Hop music, Baseball and Apple pie, and are making the ends meet, you have much to loose. it is much easier to sit before an idiot tube and grumble. It is definitely much safer, and you know that you have mortgages to pay, so you will keep your mouth shut, besides, WWE is on again.
You can write to your elective official until you are blue in the hand. It will accomplish NOTHING. Why? Because you do not have millions of dollars to donate. Because for each and every one of you who calls, there are 100s who do not, since American Idol is on, since the politicians work at exactly the same time you do, and you are too busy working.
In case you didn't notice, when USSR was collapsing, it collapsed by itself. Few people actually fought for or against its collapse. Why? Because the life was really not that bad. Becasue they had few things to loose, and because the food and alchohol prices were dropped and they were showing good movies on TV when tanks have shot at the Russian Parlament building.
People want Bread and Entertainment. They are a cattle, a herd, and a dumb herd at that. It is like that in USSR, in China, in Germany and in USA too. AS long as the peons are provided with bread and entertainment, the government can do ANYTHING.
Each government is a tool of oppression first and foremost. Especially in large countries. Whenever someone speaks against it, the media (which is owned by 3 megacorps) starts demonising the protestor, or even says nothing of it. While armed to the teeth SWAT teams gun down or incinirate the protestor.
Do I sympathise with a racist freak whos family got shot up in Ruby Ridge? No, I do not. He was a racist freak and so were his family. However, it sets a PRECIDENT.
When Davidians got burned (much like witches by Inquisition), the
media was telling horror stories about child pornography and weapon stockpiling. Which turned out to be a lie. Do I sympathise with Branch Davidians? Well, no, I do not care about religious lunatics. But it sets yet ANOTHER PRECIDENT.
You see, the government went after Black Panthers, we said nothing, the government went after White Supermacists, we said nothing.
The government went after a religious sect, we said nothing.
Do you get a general idea? You were SILENT when Branch Davidians got burned. Same as you were silent when McCarthy was doing his witchhunts. You do NOTHING to protect your gun rights. Those who do are either ignored or smeared by the media.
Most of us do NOTHING to protect the country form the inflood of illegals, out of fear of being labeled the racist. Those who do, are labeled as racist and ignored.
When the government installed the Domestic Spying program and Patriot act, effectively taking a HUGE step toward becoming a police state, most of the "we the sheeple of the USA" actually SUPPORTED it.
I happened to come to NYC few years back. I have had several interesting images. Brooklin. The windows of the first two floors on all buildings are barred. The slogan above the building states "Land of the Free." Another image. Statium, football game, stadium surrounded by guys in black armed with m16 and SMGs. The slogan states "Celebrate Freedom."
I am not trying to urge you to do anything. Simply because I GAVE UP ON USA, its system, and, largely its people. It is not the fault of the people, you guys are the same as people everywhere: you have bills to pay, you have SOMETHING to loose. SOmething MATERIAL: your house, for example. Your job. The difference is that media controls you, corporations control government. Furthermore, you, folks are divided in so many ways that I can't even count: racial, political, economical. A Democrat will scream that Patriot Act is an infringement on civil rights, and he will be RIGHT.
A Conservative will scream that "assault gun ban" is an infringement on his rights. And he will be right. Yet, they fight each other.
A rich man will complain about all the poor whom he has to support. The poor people complain about the rich bastriches who keep getting richer. White folks are largely scared of blacks. Black folks, largely, HATE WHITE PEOPLE, seeing them a weak, insincere and cold, and former oppressors.
This country will fall apart, unless the people unite behind a TRUE leader. Yet, I can see no such man.
I felt compelled to reply to this from my cell phone. tiger, excellent posts. I dont agree with all you say, but you are passionate and articulate. I hope in the next 2 years you will find something in this country worth defending. I think you are already more of an American than you know.
To be honest, so do I. For once, I would like to have a place that I would be able to call home. Strange thing, that when I came to USA, back in 1991, I liked it HELL OF A LOT MORE then I do now. Less PC crap, people are.. friendlier, less scared, even in Chicago.
I already went through immigration once. It ain't easy. Wouldn't want to do so again, but if, things continue on the track they are...
I might as well go somewhere else. I am very dissapointed in what this country had turned into since 1991. I hope the trend will reverse itself.
freemind-
I can appreciate the topic of debate, but for some of us to answer will require us to reveal too much. A poker player doesn't play with his hand face up, now does he???
And a poker player doesn't play the game himself does he? I like to play poker. Know where I can get a table with other players? Unless you can produce a nice poker club, please stop eluding to something if there is nothing to it. I like to be in the company of other poker players and so far, I am not seeing a table. I have looked for a long time for players, who who like to play poker as the rules intended, however upon further reading of their rules, they differ.
So for the last time, is their a poker game ? I would like to sit at the table and play too. I have had enough of fake poker games, I want a real poker game.
I can't agree with all you say either. However I think we all are frustrated( or down right furious) at condition of our country. Don't think we are all so satisfied as we will take no action. While it is true there is enormous room for improvement in the USA, it will only come about with ORGANIZED action. True, some will never get away from the tube in the name of country, however, others are willing. You are ABSOLUTELY right about needing a leader to step forward. If debate continues, someone will. A leader is called to position by need, not because he thinks he is a leader. The "need" is there, just enough people must speak up.
Do I sympathise with a racist freak whos family got shot up in Ruby Ridge? No, I do not. He was a racist freak and so were his family.
I see that your Communist indoctrination worked very well on you, as "anti-racism" is one of the core tenets of Communism. So, you think that politically-incorrect people, and their children, have no right to life? [:(!]
For the record, I am a "racist" according to the dictionary definition because I see the objective reality of average racial differences in physical, emotional, and intellectual traits, rather than deny them in some B.S. Orwellian fashion.
Now, as far as racism goes. I DO aknowledge the differences. Since I spent all my life in either Science or IT industry, and, having come to america I lived in a block where I was the only white-boy there, I can say few things. Number one: white men, can't jump. Number two: in science field and IT field, unproportional majority are asians, eastern europeans and jews (very few WASPS, proportionally, especially in science). As far as blacks go, lets discuss that issue.
1) For 200+ years, and even more, there was an artificial selection of blacks in USA, not for their smarts, but for their physical abilities. This simply can NOT go by without making an impact.
2) Personally, I find black folks, MUCH more pleasant to deal with then some white folks. Especially in a working place. Lets put it this way: every snitch in a working place that I have known was WASP. Not white, but WASP. Black folks, are much more emotional, more open about their attitudes and just less scared of everything then white folks. I can tell you one thing, during my first years in USA, I have met many times with "go back home", and it was always from Whites. Frankly, black people have more self respect. Their whole "street culture" much like in Russia is based on street Respect.
While it was black people who took me sorta under their wing, and showed me what this country is all about. While they did call me "blue eyed brother", and "he is white, but he is a good guy", I knew very well that I will never complitely fit among them, different culture and mentality. Not worse, but different.
At my current job, there is a black dude, and he is much more pleasant to be around, with a ready joke and friendliness mixed with a traditional "ghetto tude", then any of the "cold fish" work drones that are out there. I agree with the fact that there are genetical, emotional and physical differences (white men can't jump). However I also submit to you that the same damn differences exist among whites of different backgrounds: most of the strongmen contests are won my either eastern europeans or scandinavians. Another example: italians and spanish have very different mentality then WASPS and Scandinavians. Heck, Irish have different mentality and culture from Brits.
Every German I met was a neatness and order freak, very smart too.
Every Italian or Irish I met was a very much, friendly, open, hot tempered and intense person. Very artistic too.
Most Russians and Poles I met ae VERY educated, love music, and can drink an elephant under the table.
There are differences among white people too. Asians in general have IQ 10 points higher then whites. I know that, and I know that I am white. 1 kilo of pine and 1 kilo of birch is 1 kilo of wood. We are different, but that doesn't makes us better or worse then others.
For every black welfare recepient, I will show you a white one, and/or trailor park trash.
Different, doesn't mean WORSE.
Tiger,
I can't agree with all you say either. However I think we all are frustrated( or down right furious) at condition of our country. Don't think we are all so satisfied as we will take no action. While it is true there is enormous room for improvement in the USA, it will only come about with ORGANIZED action. True, some will never get away from the tube in the name of country, however, others are willing. You are ABSOLUTELY right about needing a leader to step forward. If debate continues, someone will. A leader is called to position by need, not because he thinks he is a leader. The "need" is there, just enough people must speak up.
1) To speak up is to make yourself open to be labeled. You can be labeled as: gun nut, antisocial freak, outdated thinker. This is not that bad, considering that some who are pro gun rights are openly racist (just read this board), you will get labeled as: racist, fascist, nazi. This can give you hell of a lot of problems.
Frankly, you can easily be fired. Considering that many of the employers run background checks on people they hire, they can find information about your political views... and not hire you, if they find you "too extreme as to pose a danger to a comfortable workplace".
2) The country is divided among several lines: economic, racial, political. I, for example, will NEVER follow a leader who refuses to strictly regulate big businesses. I will NEVER follow a leader who has a racist outlook, no matter be it a racist or reverse racist.
I will NEVER follow a leader who puts a religion in the head of the table. Why? Because I am Russian ORTHODOX, not WASP, not Catholic, sure as hell I am no Baptist or 7th Day Adventist (both of those churches were codemned by Orthodox Sinod as heretic).
I would much rather have an atheist running the show, then a muslim or someone of a different sect of Christianity then mine. Frankly, in Russia, Orthodox church is getting a lot of power, and it leads to nothing but corruption of the church. In fact, quite a few Russians are converting to: Paganism, Buddhism, Taoism, Odinism, Islam, because of their disgust with the politics of the Church.
I would have no problem following a Black or Asian leader. Most people on this board, however, may have that problem.
I would follow no leader who will not give me and my family free medicine and free education. All I am saying is: bring the jobs back from Mexico, and spend the money not on F-35 and F-22 fighters, not on Seawolf submarines, not on ICBMS, but on free education and medicine and tax break for people whith annual income of less then 100000 per year (adjusted yearly for the inflation).
We all have bunch of differences in opinion, and we will never be united. In order for us to be united, we need to be as uniformal and cartriges in a magazine. You can't put 7.62x39, 7.62x51, 7.62x54 in the same magazine and expect rifle to work. We simply will NOT be able to agree on many issues.
I would follow no leader who will not give me and my family free medicine and free education.
I can see what kind of a leader you want. You want one that feeds you and takes away your worries. You don't want choices, you want gifts. You want someone to point the finger at if you don't like something, taking the blame away from yourself. I , on the other hand, want freedom of choice, to be responsible for myself and my decisions, and to NOT have someone telling what to do and how I may do it. I also don't need a government to tell me what "privilages" they feel like allowing me when I know what rights the good Lord gave me. Socialism just doesn't work. It fails and leaves a people with little hope. Socialism doesn't "level the playing field", it enslaves the people, to be the governments sheep.