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NICS and Cho's purchases

WehrwolfWehrwolf Member Posts: 38 ✭✭
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_Control_Act

"Anyone who has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to a mental institution."

Apparently, Cho was picked up by the police because of allegations that he contemplated suicide. The police took him to some sort of specialists, who questioned him, and after he denied being suicidal, they released him.

So I assume that whatever it is that happened to Cho, it does not qualify as him having been "committed to a mental institution", or else, the NICS system simply does not contain such data (due to privacy laws maybe?), and it's an "honor system" of sorts (just as it obviously is an honor system for "Anyone who is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance.")

Anyway, this clause disturbs me, because it appears to lack due process, unless committment occurs only after some hearing in front of a judge. Things such as this can be used as political weapons against dissidents ("that guy must be crazy because he does not have normal political views, so let's commit him against his will so that he can never buy guns").

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  • WoundedWolfWoundedWolf Member Posts: 1,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I think it just proves that these arbitrary "feel good" provisions provide no real security when put into practice. The only way I can envision that this whole situation could have been prevented involves the shooter lying in a pool of his own blood outside his dormatory with about 30 students aiming warm guns at his freshly riddled corpse.
  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    Well, gosh...another reason to demand the immediate ending of ALL federal gun control laws....and most all state laws.

    As WW so wisely stated...the way to END this bulls*** is for armed citizens to KILL these animals....
  • WehrwolfWehrwolf Member Posts: 38 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by WoundedWolf
    I think it just proves that these arbitrary "feel good" provisions provide no real security when put into practice. The only way I can envision that this whole situation could have been prevented involves the shooter lying in a pool of his own blood outside his dormatory with about 30 students aiming warm guns at his freshly riddled corpse.


    So do you think that

    1) the NICS system does contain mental institution committment records, and that whatever happened with Cho (e.g., his temporary detainment and mental assessment) is not counted as "committment to a mental institution", or

    2) the NICS system does not contain these records, and it's an honor system with regard to the mental institution question that one answers on the FFL form?

    I agree that the students should be allowed to be armed. I'm just curious about how the federal background check system works.
  • nyforesternyforester Member Posts: 2,575 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by WoundedWolf
    I think it just proves that these arbitrary "feel good" provisions provide no real security when put into practice. The only way I can envision that this whole situation could have been prevented involves the shooter lying in a pool of his own blood outside his dormatory with about 30 students aiming warm guns at his freshly riddled corpse.


    I like that !


    Wehrwolf
    It goes beyond that even.......
    Today, society does not want to "be racist", "hurt feelings", "profile", "deny civil rights"..........Well look where that got us. People knew this guy was crazy, some people did something about, but for the most part it fell on deaf ears.

    And the fact he was not a citizen but was allowed to purchase handguns, and I, born in this country, being a US citizen, speaking fluent ENGLISH and I can't even own an AR-15 style rifle with a colapsable stock seems insane to me. That really pisses me off !
    Abort Cuomo
  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    Nyforest...get to believe that perhaps the Elites worry more about armed American citizens...then barbarians flooding the borders from all directions...??
    What do you suppose THAT is about..???
  • nyforesternyforester Member Posts: 2,575 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I would suspect that our government is more afraid of "the people" than a few "non people" because we outnumber and outgun them !
    Abort Cuomo
  • gunphreakgunphreak Member Posts: 1,791 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Wehrwolf
    quote:Originally posted by WoundedWolf
    I think it just proves that these arbitrary "feel good" provisions provide no real security when put into practice. The only way I can envision that this whole situation could have been prevented involves the shooter lying in a pool of his own blood outside his dormatory with about 30 students aiming warm guns at his freshly riddled corpse.


    So do you think that

    1) the NICS system does contain mental institution committment records, and that whatever happened with Cho (e.g., his temporary detainment and mental assessment) is not counted as "committment to a mental institution", or

    2) the NICS system does not contain these records, and it's an honor system with regard to the mental institution question that one answers on the FFL form?

    I agree that the students should be allowed to be armed. I'm just curious about how the federal background check system works.


    1. It would contain them if the subject met the criteria. Apparently, Cho did not meet that prereq.

    2. It's my understanding that the courts who adjudicate people into mental facilities makes the same impact as being sent to jail. Becomes part of the record.

    The system is a joke. It is meant to screen out people on the basis that they are all guilty until proven innocent, and it's a crock of Bravo Sierra.
  • WoundedWolfWoundedWolf Member Posts: 1,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Wehrwolf...

    I think #1 is probably the case in this particular scenario. I heard on the news earlier that he wasn't actually "committed" to a mental facility so, as you noted, it was probably not counted.

    However, I would not be at all surprised if #2 is also the case.
  • pickenuppickenup Member Posts: 22,844 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Considering the questionable mental state of this murderer, it would not surprise me to see more action on H.R. 297 coming soon. The "NICS Improvement Act of 2007" This is a bill that Mrs. McCarthy (surprise) has introduced for the last three years. So far, it has not come out of committee. (as it shouldn't)

    Basically it's a bill that requires states to "make available" records of people that have been adjudicated mentally defective, or have been committed to a mental institution, in a more timely manner than presently. It covers other records as well. It penalizes the states, by withholding federal funding, if they are not in compliance.

    This bill didn't go anywhere for the last 2 years, but considering the present situation, I can see this one getting pushed. They will push ANY kind of gun law, using ANY excuse for it.
  • gunphreakgunphreak Member Posts: 1,791 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    You're probably right pickenup, and I'm sure the NRA will be right behind them on it, too.
  • dsmithdsmith Member Posts: 902 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Liberals never learn. This guy was a suicidal nut case that planned to die in the attack. No amount of laws could stop somebody like that. Just armed citizens looking out for themselves.
  • Wagon WheelWagon Wheel Member Posts: 633 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    It didn't take long did it?

    Virginia Governor Closes Gun Loophole:

    http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/nat-gen/2007/apr/30/043006216.html
  • Wagon WheelWagon Wheel Member Posts: 633 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    We need more politicians that think like Gov. Perry.

    Perry: Allow concealed handguns everywhere | Chron.com - Houston Chronicle

    The governor responded less clearly when asked whether Texas should submit mental health information on some individuals to a national database used for background checks.

    http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/4763469.html
  • Marc1301Marc1301 Member Posts: 31,897 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The reason for the different reactions from the "Gov", is because,.......they don't want to offend their future voting base! We are becoming "expendable", and yes they fear us much more than the illegals, as "big brother" plans on taking care of their every need, and they realize, that the majority of them could care less about what we do.
    As long as their fat, happy, a**es, are taken care of from our tax dollars, it is a "non-issue" to them. They will go on, eating at fast food restaurants, and collecting their checks,........but they WILL vote for the people that allowed them to RAPE this country,........and WE won't! That is the difference in a nutshell.[}:)]
    "Beam me up Scotty, there's no intelligent life down here." - William Shatner
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