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Mr. Gunz
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Immigration Bill Dead For Now
-- Gun owners unheralded in media, but played a huge role in the
defeat of bill
Gun Owners of America E-Mail Alert
8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102, Springfield, VA 22151
Phone: 703-321-8585 / FAX: 703-321-8408
http://www.gunowners.org
Friday, July 29, 2007
Well, the American public has spoken.
If you ever wondered whether your activism pays off, then look no
further than the immigration debate. The bill went down in flames
yesterday by a vote of 53-46.
And good thing too, because this bill was packing more than just
immigration stuff -- it also contained anti-gun language as well.
But what else would you expect from a Ted Kennedy bill?
In addition to denying many law-abiding gun owners their right to
find a job or buy a gun, the bill could have put every major gun shop
out of business, something which the anti-gun left has been trying to
do for years.
GOA wants to thank all of you who took action on our immigration
alerts recently. You probably don't realize how important YOUR
INVOLVEMENT was in killing this bill. Obviously, no one group can
take all the credit, because there was pressure coming from all over
America. Even so, most of the media has credited conservative talk
shows as the 800 pound gorilla -- and yes, the talk shows were
extremely important.
But remember the Baucus amendment that we asked you to lobby on? The
Senate voted on whether to table (or kill) that amendment on
Wednesday, but it failed to do so. That one amendment is being
credited by insiders as being THE BIGGEST reason the bill could not
get enough votes for cloture (that is, to end debate and vote up or
down on the bill).
Consider what Congressional Quarterly had to say about that amendment
on Wednesday: "The process [to get a Unanimous Consent agreement]
came to a halt when the chamber refused to table an amendment by Max
Baucus, D-Mont.... When the chamber voted against tabling the Baucus
amendment, the process stopped. Without a unanimous consent
agreement to adopt the amendment or move on, the next step was the
cloture vote [which failed]."
This complies with what one highly placed Senate staffer told GOA
yesterday when he said that the failed attempt to kill the Baucus
amendment was "probably the reason we killed the bill."
The Baucus amendment would have protected the jobs and gun rights of
Americans who live in states that are blocking the enforcement of the
REAL ID Act. Without the promise of a National ID in every state,
the Baucus amendment effectively became the ultimate poison pill in
this bill.
So kudos to all of you for all of your hard work!
Now, our attention reverts back to the McCarthy Brady expansion bill
(HR 2640) -- which could come up any time after the July 4th holiday.
Supporters of the McCarthy bill are hanging their hat on language
which purports to help disqualified people get their rights restored.
So GOA has built a special section on its website that gets to the
truth on this issue and informs gun owners of the dangers in HR 2640.
Please go to http://www.gunowners.org/netb.htm to learn what the
specifics of the bill are, who its main supporters are, answers to
claims made by proponents of the bill, who faces the greatest risk of
being disqualified for buying a gun, and more.
Enjoy the holidays!
****************************
4th of July Scheduling Note
Congress is out of session the entirety of next week, so there will
not be any votes scheduled. Some GOA staff members are taking
advantage of that fact to go on their annual vacations.
There will always be senior GOA staff paying attention to any
developments regarding gun rights legislation, and our main office
will be open during normal business hours except for the 4th itself.
However, we will be short-staffed. We ask that you please LIMIT
E-MAIL COMMUNICATIONS during this time frame, as you are unlikely to
receive a timely response. Should you have questions requiring quick
answers, please call 703-321-8585 during EDT business hours.
****************************
Please do not reply directly to this message, as your reply will
bounce back as undeliverable.
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-- Gun owners unheralded in media, but played a huge role in the
defeat of bill
Gun Owners of America E-Mail Alert
8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102, Springfield, VA 22151
Phone: 703-321-8585 / FAX: 703-321-8408
http://www.gunowners.org
Friday, July 29, 2007
Well, the American public has spoken.
If you ever wondered whether your activism pays off, then look no
further than the immigration debate. The bill went down in flames
yesterday by a vote of 53-46.
And good thing too, because this bill was packing more than just
immigration stuff -- it also contained anti-gun language as well.
But what else would you expect from a Ted Kennedy bill?
In addition to denying many law-abiding gun owners their right to
find a job or buy a gun, the bill could have put every major gun shop
out of business, something which the anti-gun left has been trying to
do for years.
GOA wants to thank all of you who took action on our immigration
alerts recently. You probably don't realize how important YOUR
INVOLVEMENT was in killing this bill. Obviously, no one group can
take all the credit, because there was pressure coming from all over
America. Even so, most of the media has credited conservative talk
shows as the 800 pound gorilla -- and yes, the talk shows were
extremely important.
But remember the Baucus amendment that we asked you to lobby on? The
Senate voted on whether to table (or kill) that amendment on
Wednesday, but it failed to do so. That one amendment is being
credited by insiders as being THE BIGGEST reason the bill could not
get enough votes for cloture (that is, to end debate and vote up or
down on the bill).
Consider what Congressional Quarterly had to say about that amendment
on Wednesday: "The process [to get a Unanimous Consent agreement]
came to a halt when the chamber refused to table an amendment by Max
Baucus, D-Mont.... When the chamber voted against tabling the Baucus
amendment, the process stopped. Without a unanimous consent
agreement to adopt the amendment or move on, the next step was the
cloture vote [which failed]."
This complies with what one highly placed Senate staffer told GOA
yesterday when he said that the failed attempt to kill the Baucus
amendment was "probably the reason we killed the bill."
The Baucus amendment would have protected the jobs and gun rights of
Americans who live in states that are blocking the enforcement of the
REAL ID Act. Without the promise of a National ID in every state,
the Baucus amendment effectively became the ultimate poison pill in
this bill.
So kudos to all of you for all of your hard work!
Now, our attention reverts back to the McCarthy Brady expansion bill
(HR 2640) -- which could come up any time after the July 4th holiday.
Supporters of the McCarthy bill are hanging their hat on language
which purports to help disqualified people get their rights restored.
So GOA has built a special section on its website that gets to the
truth on this issue and informs gun owners of the dangers in HR 2640.
Please go to http://www.gunowners.org/netb.htm to learn what the
specifics of the bill are, who its main supporters are, answers to
claims made by proponents of the bill, who faces the greatest risk of
being disqualified for buying a gun, and more.
Enjoy the holidays!
****************************
4th of July Scheduling Note
Congress is out of session the entirety of next week, so there will
not be any votes scheduled. Some GOA staff members are taking
advantage of that fact to go on their annual vacations.
There will always be senior GOA staff paying attention to any
developments regarding gun rights legislation, and our main office
will be open during normal business hours except for the 4th itself.
However, we will be short-staffed. We ask that you please LIMIT
E-MAIL COMMUNICATIONS during this time frame, as you are unlikely to
receive a timely response. Should you have questions requiring quick
answers, please call 703-321-8585 during EDT business hours.
****************************
Please do not reply directly to this message, as your reply will
bounce back as undeliverable.
To subscribe to free, low-volume GOA alerts, go to
http://www.gunowners.org/ean.htm on the web. Change of e-mail
address may also be made at that location.
To unsubscribe send a message to
gunowners_list@capwiz.mailmanager.net with the word unsubscribe in
the subject line or use the url below.
Problems, questions or comments? The main GOA e-mail address
goamail@gunowners.org is at your disposal. Please do not add that
address to distribution lists sending more than ten messages per
week or lists associated with issues other than gun rights.
Comments
Careful Gunz, someone will come out swinging that you are bashing the NRA.
For Gods sake man! There was probably some important provision for restricting some segment of our society from owning, or bearing arms, hidden in this wonderful bill.
Always remember that a hard-line stance is bad, compromise is good...... So sayeth the Neville Chamberlain Wing of the NRA loving America.[:o)][:o)]
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Careful Gunz, someone will come out swinging that you are bashing the NRA.
For Gods sake man! There was probably some important provision for restricting some segment of our society from owning, or bearing arms, hidden in this wonderful bill.
Always remember that a hard-line stance is bad, compromise is good...... So sayeth the Neville Chamberlain Wing of the NRA loving America.[:o)][:o)]
Oh now, come on. We peons need SCOTUS to decide WHAT the 2nd means . Everyone knows WHAT the 1st means and really does NOT need scotus to tell us. BUT when it comes to the 2nd, well we are just not that bright. SO it is OK to COMPRIMISE for now SINCE scotus has not told us yet WHAT OUR RIGHTS ARE. THEN AND ONLY THEN can we TAKE A HARD STANCE. If we take away 10,000 guns from citizens that is OK as long as it prevents one criminal from getting one right?! OR if we make it a long arduious process for law abiding citizens to obtain arms, we all know the criminals will wait a few weeks to attack, since it would not be fair to the victims if they attacked right away. Better yet, let us arm the leo's, military and guard BETTER than the citizenery, sinced we know those dumb citizens can't handle arms like THEY can. Besides they face the bad guys and we dumb citizens never do. RIGHT?
quote:Originally posted by lt496
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Careful Gunz, someone will come out swinging that you are bashing the NRA.
For Gods sake man! There was probably some important provision for restricting some segment of our society from owning, or bearing arms, hidden in this wonderful bill.
Always remember that a hard-line stance is bad, compromise is good...... So sayeth the Neville Chamberlain Wing of the NRA loving America.[:o)][:o)]
Oh now, come on. We peons need SCOTUS to decide WHAT the 2nd means . Everyone knows WHAT the 1st means and really does NOT need scotus to tell us. BUT when it comes to the 2nd, well we are just not that bright. SO it is OK to COMPRIMISE for now SINCE scotus has not told us yet WHAT OUR RIGHTS ARE. THEN AND ONLY THEN can we TAKE A HARD STANCE. If we take away 10,000 guns from citizens that is OK as long as it prevents one criminal from getting one right?! OR if we make it a long arduious process for law abiding citizens to obtain arms, we all know the criminals will wait a few weeks to attack, since it would not be fair to the victims if they attacked right away. Better yet, let us arm the leo's, military and guard BETTER than the citizenery, sinced we know those dumb citizens can't handle arms like THEY can. Besides they face the bad guys and we dumb citizens never do. RIGHT?
I think we know someone who recently said something very, very similar, don't we?[:D][:o)]
I think we know someone who recently said something very, very similar, don't we?[:D][:o)]
Two actually ... [:D]
Whom would that be?
Edit: One needs to be careful before casting stones,.......sometimes they are like boomerangs, and come back and hit one in the face![8D]
And I believe I know someone here, that wants no government involvement in anything,..........just like me, except he posted in the politics forum that the government should regulate the minimum wage, for those poor people that didn't have things go right for them in their lives, and couldn't make a living without skills of any value. I don't recall wage setting, a role of our government, nor a "right".
Whom would that be?
Edit: One needs to be careful before casting stones,.......sometimes they are like boomerangs, and come back and hit one in the face![8D]
Ok Marc, I will play ball. Before I say what i need to say, keep in mind I really don't hate you. I have logic behind what I say and take into consideration of where we are at this point.
#1 I don't believe government (Fed OR state) has the right, or any reason to set a minimum wage.
#2 It (in todays world) is not about unskilled/unvalueable/fill in the blank, it is about companies taking advantage of people. Corporate greed has overtaken America. This is painfully obvious. (Just take a look at the healthcare industry for an example) If there were NO minimum wage do you REALLY think these companies (large and small) would pay people enough to live on? Let ALONE save money for the future? How many companies give employees raises to keep up with INFLATION? Few if ANY. I truely believe a company should be allowed to turn profits,but NOT at the cost of people slaving to make THEM THEIR PROFITS. Too many compaines these days (maybe you are included maybe your not, I have no idea) think their floor people are worthless, a dime a dozen. Some really are worthless and should be terminated. That is a mangment decision. If any employee is truely a bad investment then remove them. If they prove their value then fair compensation is in order.
#3 Illegals are working for less than citizens. While they should not be here, if they got paid the same as anyone else, what would be the advantage of hiring these lazy, uneducated fools? This is another example of greed on the companies part.
#4 Paint it anyway you want, these are the times we live in. This is 2007 not 1907. If it were we , would hve no need for minimum wage. Minimum wage is simply a fix meant to be temporary until this country can be made right again. I do not belive if things were as they should be, we would need or allow this intrution. However, I can not fathom how an American can have so little compasion for his fellow man. This is the only way to help people from doing illegal things to survive. At least with the new minimum wage we offer people a way to live, and possibly give them some way to better themselves.
#5 There is no stone hitting me my friend. I however, was not the one agreeing with TR,you did. His can of garbage involving the one leg to stand on crap, does not fool me. There is a vast difference to me on gun rights and survival. I stand FIRM and UNWAIVERING that my rights are MINE and no suit will take it from me. I will not however allow greed to kill my fellow Americans because some CEO needed a new Rolls Royce.
I have NEVER hired an "illegal", nor payed someone under the table. without paying taxes and benefits,.......which BTW, benefits are a choice that I have to "offer". Your insurance, is not my responsibility, it is a benefit, and like it or not, it is not free, and is a determining factor in what ones wage is! Your health, and healthcare is not anyones responsibility, other than yours,.......not your employers, and not the Governments.
I know of NO illegals even, working for minimum wage,..........they get 10 to 12 bucks an hour around these parts, for doing unskilled work. I don't have illegals in my trade, to any degree,......it takes a hair more than digging a ditch. I am not putting down that,......any work is work, and I have done it all. I started off working for minimum wage in my trade,.........that is what it is for! It is a "training wage" for teenagers, and young adults. The ones that continue working for that, and never advance, simply have NO skills, or they have had never ending employment problems.
God man, even Burger King, is paying above minimum wage!
My main point is,..........whether YOU like it or not, we have always been, a capitalist society. Your work is worth simply, what another is willing to pay for it. Sorry to be harsh, but you are talking about Socialism, if you really believe what you are saying.
The minimum wage is not an issue that is being raised, "until the country can be straightened out",.......you sound like Lenin.
Make up your mind,........are YOU a "Constitutionalist", or not?
You sound like a hypocrite, and I would not have even brought it up again, if it was not for your misguided attack.
Sit, and think about what a Constitutionalist is, and what a Socialist is,.......you talk a combination of both!
Take Care
There is not one thing wrong with capitolism. There is something wrong with greed that purposely harms people. That is not capitolism, that is raw, nasty greed.
I also agree you should not be forced to offer benefits. I am well aware of the process, and don't agree with it either. However very few businesses would "offer" if they were not forced to. We are both aware the insurance you offer does not have to be "cheap". You can and could offer ins. that is outragiously expensive. Which by the way does happen often.
While you love to shove your good fortune in my face, for every one of you there are thousands that DO NOT make it. You feel like since you did it, no one else has an excuse.
It is not allways because people are stupid,lazy and unwilling to work. Sometimes it is because greedy companies take huge profits and pay laborers next to nothing, and IF they complain they pull up stakes and move to the next town of poor people whom have NO OTHER CHOICE. This is WHERE minimum wage comes to play. You play this off as if there is NO employment problems, as if NO COMPANY take advantage of people. Happens everyday Marc. Because YOU may not does NOT mean others DON'T.
You can question what I am. I know I am realistic. I AM A CONSTITUTIONALIST. I do not promote social programs. I do however, care about AMERICA'S survival. In order to eat, have shelter, and stay well, it takes MONEY. It takes a certain level of income to eat. Would you rather a person WORKED or COLLECTED WELFARE? I perfer each and every person to EARN it. I believe the welfare system should be eliminated.If that doesn't make sense to you, then you are clearly, the socialist. Earn it or take freebies from our pocket. I know what I support.
we have always been, a capitalist society.
Not really, Marc. It's less and less capitalistic and every day new type of anti-business anti-corporate propaganda is being hammered into people's heads. Nobody even considers thinking for themselves and being responsible for their action -- it's always some CEO's fault, or the bank robbed them or some other excuse like that, isn't it?
I don't think the Fed's should be dictating wage levels either. And I do agree that Corporate America is greedy and WILL Take Advantage At Every Opportunity to widen THEIR Profit Margin at our expense. Here is an email I sent during the immigration debate. Maybe it will shed some light on the real problem!!!
How to legally disqualify all American job applicants.
The cat is out of the bag. I have been wondering, WHY? Now it's all clear. You gotta watch this video. It puts this immigration reform bill and it's real agenda in perspective!! An Alliance between Big Business and the MSM with the support of most Democrats and some Republicans in the Senate!!
How to legally disqualify all American job applicants so your company can hire someone from overseas that will need a green card. Why does this not surprise me?
Clearly ads can be and have been created so tailor-made to fit an individual for whom an entry permit is required that nobody else can fill the position being offered. I ran into a couple of these myself when I was job hunting and was told to back off.
http://www.antimullah.com/
First off Freemind, one thing undoubtedly, that is helping to hold you back, is your attitude. You seem to have a "chip on your shoulder", about anyone that has possibly done better than you. I have no idea where you come up with this "shoving my success" in your face? I have never done any such thing!!
First off, MAYBE compared to your situation, mine MAY be better. Compared to others, MY situation is worse. The difference is, I don't get upset, that there are millions of folks out there, making a lot more money than me,.......that is the way it is!
What I DO have,..........where the heck do you think it came from?
I didn't get it from Uncle Sam, I didn't inherit it,........and it didn't fall out of the sky, into my hands!
My past family were largely coal miners, and general laborers,.....only 1 family member of mine got a college degree, and it sure as heck wasn't me. I started working at a roof truss plant when I was 16, after HS was over every day, on the night shift with even prison work release inmates. I went through several jobs before going to Tech school for my current trade. Worked for a few different companies, starting out at minimum wage, and digging trenches for linesets, and doing ductwork in 130 degree attics. I moved to my present location, to get away from the craziness of S. Florida, and went to work for a company up here. After becoming dissatisfied with the wages to be made,........I decided to start studying for the state contractors exam. I passed and started my own business in 1991, the end of the year. Couldn't even pay myself more than 5 bucks an hour for about 5 to 6 months, as I started with no capital. Now after almost 16 years of working often times 60 or more hours a week, I have reached a certain point. I have a fairly nice life now,........but am FAR from being wealthy in todays sense. I once worked 56 hours straight with no sleep, to get the work done.
My point in this is,.......what happens in ones life, is a direct result of what we CHOOSE to do with it. I was willing to do whatever it took, to get myself to where I wanted to be, with the abilities, and education that I had,.......HS only. Also, I was careful to not impregnate females, and didn't get married at 20, and start pumping out kids that I COULD NOT have afforded.
I don't believe in welfare either, but don't have a problem seeing people that are handicapped through no fault of their own, being taken care of. What are we going to do with them,......take them out and shoot them? The system the way it exists now though, is a sham, and I think you know that.
Once again the point,..........I kept working harder, and trying to become better, so that I could demand a higher wage, and more benefits. When I felt that I had gone as far as I could that way, I went another direction, to make the income that "I" wanted,......I didn't go to a boss, and start telling him that I wasn't happy with what I was making, and it was unfair,...........the Government should force you to pay me more, and you should have to give me better insurance for free!! I simply did the only other thing I could do, and it was far from EASY!
I will repeat,......your labor, whatever it is, is only worth, what another is willing to pay for it!! The Government should NOT be telling anyone what they HAVE to pay someone, or what benefits they MUST give someone. Who the heck do you think pays for my health insurance BTW?
Do I feel bad for those that don't seem to be able to force themselves to do better, and realize it is up to them to do it, not some corporations responsibility? Not really, unless they have some type of disability, because ones life is a cumulative result of all the decisions, and CHOICES, that one has made throughout it. If someone makes too many wrong choices, life most often does not turn out too well for them. It has always been that way, and the only way to change that is Socialism, or Communism. We have seen how well that works!
If you aren't making enough money, find a better job,.......move if you have to. Go to school at night, and expand your skills, or train for something totally different, or start your own business, and work twice as hard as you do now, but you can control your own destiny. You will either succeed, or you will fail,......but it will be because of you, and nobody else.
But once again, a minimum wage and wage setting of any form, is not a role of the government, nor is it a "right".
Good Luck
EDIT: Illegal aliens shouldn't even come into play in this scenario, because they simply should not be here, and I AM in favor of fining out of business, those people that hire them. Throw the damn owners of the companies in jail!
EDIT2: You brought up the "healthcare" field,......I don't know about where you are, but here everybody and their brother, are taking the courses to be on or the other type of nurse, as the demand for them is very high, as is the pay and benefit packages.
And even though I hate illegals, and want to see them gone, I don't know that I would call them lazy,........uneducated, yes, but they will do anything, and will work for 12 hours out in the sun, and not complain. I know a guy that owns a fence company, that does not hire them, but he can't keep anybody, white, or black, even though he is paying over 12 bucks an hour, because the work is too HARD, and hot. Most of his competition uses illegals, and don't have that problem. A good part of America has become very lazy,......that is a fact.
I don't think the Fed's should be dictating wage levels either. And I do agree that Corporate America is greedy and WILL Take Advantage At Every Opportunity to widen THEIR Profit Margin at our expense.
Hold on a second there. I am and about 14 thousand more, 10 of which live in the US, are eBay employees that are taking advantage of its customers to widen their profit margin. Well, you know what, that is how I make money. The wider the profit margin of eBay the more money I make. There's no such thing as "at our expense" at truly capitalistic society, and even now -- nobody is stopping anyone, but people themselves, from joining the corporate America or investing into it.
Edit: grammar.
I only did that to protect myself, and I pay more in taxes because of it,........but I must still be evil, because I have the "tag".
Bill Gates better watch out,.......I'm right on his heels on the Forbe's list![:D]
One of you E-Bayers made me spend some money last night too,...Thanks!
First time I have ever used "Fleabay"[;)]
Sneaky,.......I agree. I guess I am "evil" because technically I am a corporation![:0]
well, according to communist indoctrination anyone with a bit of money and brain is evil, didn't you know?
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I only did that to protect myself, and I pay more in taxes because of it,........but I must still be evil, because I have the "tag".
Bill Gates better watch out,.......I'm right on his heels on the Forbe's list![:D]
Oh, don't even start me on taxes and all little whiny bit-hes that live off of mine. Can you imagine how bad it hurts to give half of your profits off of a stock sale when you risk your own money? I have a proposal -- why don't we have a new law, if I have to share my profits with the government in case I make money on stock sales (capital gain tax) why don't they split the losses with me when I lose?
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One of you E-Bayers made me spend some money last night too,...Thanks!
First time I have ever used "Fleabay"[;)]
I think you might be confusing me with people selling things on eBay site - those are customers of mine. I work for eBay Inc and maintain part of its systems. So I don't think the statement "one of you eBayers" is correct. [:D]
Well, welcome to eBay. It ain't half as bad as people like to paint it.
Found a pair of Oakley original Blades never used last night on old e-bay. Yes I made sure they were not counterfeit! Cost me out the wazoo though, as some dude that must be into golf, kept overbidding me at the end. I gave him the finger in the end though, and feel like I got one somewhere else![:0]
Well they're doing you a "favor" by letting you write off your losses, up to the whopping amount of 3K a year! Of course you can carry over for the rest of your life too,........but you already know that don't ya![:D]
Yeah, great. Whopping $3k I would sometimes owe them according to them in a single sale. Well, there're three solutions to it: fight'em, cheat'em or join'em.
quote:
Found a pair of Oakley original Blades never used last night on old e-bay. Yes I made sure they were not counterfeit! Cost me out the wazoo though, as some dude that must be into golf, kept overbidding me at the end. I gave him the finger in the end though, and feel like I got one somewhere else![:0]
Nice. Yeah, eBay is great that way but you must remember not to get carried away with winning something and overpaying. Also, when you're looking for something there and not sure what a fair price would be on that item, you can search through completed listings and see at least what other people paid for it, sometimes it helps not to drop extra dollars on whatever that is you'd be looking for [:)]
Take a chill pill. You miss the point. Capitalism and the free market are what make us great. You and Anyone Else making a living buying or selling on eBay have every right to make as much profit as you can. But, in a free market the consumer has some control over that. There are means for the consumer to protect himself or herself from being taken advantage of by simply not buying, or purchasing from another seller. And they have a pretty effective feedback system to warn others of the unscrupulous dealers.
The point of the previous post was to bring to light the obvious underhanded, backdoor, secretive manipulation of current laws to implement unfair hiring practices and those whom are supporting such practices. If you watched that clip, then even in a truly capitalist society there can and will be an "at our expense" argument. The only winners will be those whose agenda is complete removal of the American middle-class. The purely profit driven, open border, NAU supporting, socialism promoting wing of Big Business, MSM and Congress.
thesneakyrussian:
Take a chill pill. You miss the point. Capitalism and the free market are what make us great. You and Anyone Else making a living buying or selling on eBay have every right to make as much profit as you can. But, in a free market the consumer has some control over that. There are means for the consumer to protect himself or herself from being taken advantage of by simply not buying, or purchasing from another seller. And they have a pretty effective feedback system to warn others of the unscrupulous dealers.
I know I probably should have stopped reading right after "take a chill pill". Anyhow, I do not sell on eBay, never sold a thing (yet). I simply work AT eBay Inc. So, what was that last paragraph about? [:D]
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The point of the previous post was to bring to light the obvious underhanded, backdoor, secretive manipulation of current laws to implement unfair hiring practices and those whom are supporting such practices. If you watched that clip, then even in a truly capitalist society there can and will be an "at our expense" argument. The only winners will be those whose agenda is complete removal of the American middle-class. The purely profit driven, open border, NAU supporting, socialism promoting wing of Big Business, MSM and Congress.
WW, I wasn't making a comment on the whole post, only on an analogy you made which sounded very much like all of the lefties sound. I have no arguments or disagreements on the rest. So, who needs a chill pill? [:D]
quote:I know I probably should have stopped reading right after "take a chill pill". Anyhow, I do not sell on eBay, never sold a thing (yet). I simply work AT eBay Inc. So, what was that last paragraph about?
It sounded as if you had taken my post as a personal assault on you. It was not!! And as far as unscrupulous dealers, there are people that tend to misrepresent items, over charge on shipping etc.. etc.. etc.. The feedback system helps potential buyers identify potential problems with potential purchases before, vise after the fact.
quote:WW, I wasn't making a comment on the whole post, only on an analogy you made which sounded very much like all of the lefties sound. I have no arguments or disagreements on the rest. So, who needs a chill pill?
I find it quite offensive that you would confuse me with a lefty!!! So, now I will take my chill pill.
thesneakyrussian:
quote:I know I probably should have stopped reading right after "take a chill pill". Anyhow, I do not sell on eBay, never sold a thing (yet). I simply work AT eBay Inc. So, what was that last paragraph about?
It sounded as if you had taken my post as a personal assault on you.
It was not!!
Not at all. Are you familiar with Godwin's Law? "chill pill" sort of comment usually falls under the same kind of rule in an online discussion. [:D] And in no way I'd take it as a personal offense of any sort [:)]
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And as far as unscrupulous dealers, there are people that tend to misrepresent items, over charge on shipping etc.. etc.. etc.. The feedback system helps potential buyers identify potential problems with potential purchases before, vise after the fact.
Yes, which only means that you should be picky in your choice of who to do business with. Also a benefit of free open market, well, now I am stating the obvious.
quote:WW, I wasn't making a comment on the whole post, only on an analogy you made which sounded very much like all of the lefties sound. I have no arguments or disagreements on the rest. So, who needs a chill pill?
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I find it quite offensive that you would confuse me with a lefty!!! So, now I will take my chill pill.
Hehehe [:D] Well, I don't see you as a lefty or righty, just a reasonable person, however, even reasonable people sometimes make very unreasonable assessments [:D]. The thing is that lately all I hear from everyone and everything is how bad corporate America is and all people do is rip off the working class and most people blindly believe that. Well, I am working class (I work for my buck therefore I am working class), and the only way I'd take it that someone is ripping me of is by me dealing with "them". "They" don't make me buy an overpriced item, "they" don't make me take out mortgage I can't afford, "they" don't make me work for minimum wage -- it's all the choices I make on my own, or am I completely out of line here by suggesting that each individual is solely responsible for his own paths in life?