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Ed Brown; Nutcase or Patriot?
fitzx2
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http://www.seacoastonline.com/news/01202007/nhnews-ph-nh-tax.evasion.html
This is happeneing here in my home state of NH. I have been researching the IRS, the Income Tax and the IR code for a couple years now. Through that research I believe that the Browns may just be correct on this. Of course the feds are never gonna fess up to the fact they have duped us into believing that the 16th amendment changed the constitutional power to tax. In the Supremem Court case Brushaber vs Union Pacific, the court makes it clear that the 16th gave no new powers to tax, yet we've been paying a direct tax on our wages for a century, when the constitution says taxes must be apportioned by population among the states.
I for one, vote Patriot. I feel awful for the Browns. They are going to lose everything, and Ed may even lose his life. Can you say Waco?
Fitz
This is happeneing here in my home state of NH. I have been researching the IRS, the Income Tax and the IR code for a couple years now. Through that research I believe that the Browns may just be correct on this. Of course the feds are never gonna fess up to the fact they have duped us into believing that the 16th amendment changed the constitutional power to tax. In the Supremem Court case Brushaber vs Union Pacific, the court makes it clear that the 16th gave no new powers to tax, yet we've been paying a direct tax on our wages for a century, when the constitution says taxes must be apportioned by population among the states.
I for one, vote Patriot. I feel awful for the Browns. They are going to lose everything, and Ed may even lose his life. Can you say Waco?
Fitz
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the government will do nothing.....for now.
They have time on the side. Eventually the fervor will fade, and people will get tired of living around his house, with nothing happening. They will go home. THEN is when the government will act.
Before acting in Waco, they ordered all people (cameras) to be far enough away, so they couldn't see (film) what they did.
Those that are attacking him are not. That simple.
The income tax has always been a method used by the Elites to make damn sure that the promise of freedom remains firmly that...a promise.
From The Beginning; Lest We Forget... MSM Certainly Won't Remind Us!!!! Should We Immortalize Him On The Sticky??
New Hampshire couple found guilty for failing to pay income tax; husband holed up with armed supporters:
AP Story Published In: The International Herald Tribune On: January 18, 2007
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/01/18/america/NA-GEN-US-Tax-Trial.php
N.H. tax evader readies for raid: 20 Jan 07
http://www.seacoastonline.com/news/01202007/nhnews-ph-nh-tax.evasion.html
Ed Brown IRS Standoff Exclusive Video:
By; John Stoddard Klar - 29 min 26 sec - Jan 20, 2007 www.christianwords.us
Profoundly Patriotic Statement At End Is Not The End - 29 min 26 sec
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3956130595394471955
All of a sudden, Ed Brown has a lot of friends:
His anti-tax stance attracts wide support
Some ready for a shootout
Concord Monitor Online - January 22. 2007 8:00AM
"Ed Brown, my friend and mentor, for patriotic reasons, is now worth more to me, and to what I stand for, dead, than alive,"
Details here
Tax standoff reveals new tactics:
Patience replaces pressure, officials say
Concord Monitor Online - February 04. 2007 10:00AM
Since Waco, the justice department has rethought its approach to potential standoffs with extremists, and patience has replaced pressure as the primary tactic.
http://concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070204/REPOSITORY/702040352
"Theft By Deception" :
*This web site serves a non-profit effort, on the part of a growing number of Americans to educate the American people about the truth of the very limited nature of the U.S. Federal Income Tax. Every penny collected from the sale of this video is used exclusively to continue to fund the dissemination of this extremely vital information.
http://www.theft-by-deception.com/?gclid=COLvkrXYnIoCFQs8SgodODCXhg
At the core of this issue, we have two Americans who, after years of careful research have come to the conclusion that our Federal government is screwing us via an uncontitutional tax on our labor.
Knowing what we know about the BATFE, why would anyone doubt what the Brown's are saying about the IRS?
Still praying for ED,
Fitz
Unless someone makes the first move for him.
They will wait him out until everyone supporting him goes home. He will die a quiet death in prison. Not a peep.
Unless someone makes the first move for him.
If the end is peacable and bloodless and no specific threats of violence are made or documented, then the Feds may give him a lighter sentence in a minimum security prison as a gesture of good faith. I'm of the opinion that the Feds really don't want another martyr figure on their hands. But, who knows....
I love Ed Brown but this is a big problem! We would all have to stop paying our taxes for a protest to have any effect!
I hope this can be worked out in a peacefull manner. I would hate to see such a fine gentleman injured as a result of this disagreement.
quote:Originally posted by codenamepaul
They will wait him out until everyone supporting him goes home. He will die a quiet death in prison. Not a peep.
Unless someone makes the first move for him.
If the end is peacable and bloodless and no specific threats of violence are made or documented, then the Feds may give him a lighter sentence in a minimum security prison as a gesture of good faith. I want some of what you're smokin' When has the government done anything in good faith?I'm of the opinion that the Feds really don't want another martyr figure on their hands. But, who knows....
Which is exactly why they will wait him out. You may not even hear about it in the news. In fact I would almost count on that.
Browns thumb their noses at you - A Concord Monitor Article
Click here for details
quote:Originally posted by Slow_Hand
quote:Originally posted by codenamepaul
They will wait him out until everyone supporting him goes home. He will die a quiet death in prison. Not a peep.
Unless someone makes the first move for him.
If the end is peacable and bloodless and no specific threats of violence are made or documented, then the Feds may give him a lighter sentence in a minimum security prison as a gesture of good faith. I want some of what you're smokin' When has the government done anything in good faith?I'm of the opinion that the Feds really don't want another martyr figure on their hands. But, who knows....
Which is exactly why they will wait him out. You may not even hear about it in the news. In fact I would almost count on that.
Working on 15 years without a puff of any kind - no cigarettes, cigars or pipes[;)].
FWIW, I do not see the government as being solely and wholly black-hearted, malicious and ambivalent to the people it serves. There's probably more than a handful of decent FBI and ATF agents who really and truly don't want to take him by a show of force or wound or kill him in a shootout.
I'm hoping that Ed and his wife will be able to work out something without bloodshed and with their dignity intact.
FWIW, I'm not one of those folks you see in the street munching on a tube steak and yelling "Jump! Jump! Jump! to some poor SOB standing out on a window ledege 15 stories up.
Tax evaders sentenced, remain in home By PHILIP ELLIOTT, Associated Press Writer
Tue Apr 24, 5:44 PM ET
A couple convicted of tax evasion for concealing $1.9 million in income was sentenced to prison Tuesday, but they refused to attend the hearing and have vowed not to leave their fortress-like mansion.
Ed and Elaine Brown insist tax laws do not exist and have holed up in their hilltop home in Plainfield, which has a watchtower, concrete walls and the ability to run on wind and solar power. Ed Brown, 64, said he has stockpiled food and supplies.
"The world belongs to the creator. It doesn't belong to man," he said Tuesday. "It doesn't belong to the United States government."
The Browns were convicted in January of scheming to hide $1.9 million of income between 1996 and 2003. They were also convicted of using $215,890 in postal money orders to pay for their residence and for Elaine Brown's dental practice. The money orders were broken into increments just below the tax-reporting threshold.
U.S. District Judge Steven McAuliffe sentenced them each to 5 1/4 years in prison. They skipped the sentencing hearings, and in a telephone interview, Ed Brown said they will not surrender to federal authorities.
Assistant U.S. Attorney Bill Morse said the former exterminator and his dentist wife have acted as though they are above the law.
U.S. marshals have been ordered to arrest the couple but said they are not planning to storm the home, blockade the roads or cut off supplies.
"We're not going to engage in that kind of game with them," U.S. Marshal Stephen Monier said. But, he added, "law enforcement is not going away and neither are the warrants."
In telephone interviews, Ed Brown said the couple will stay in their home despite convictions and warrants.
"I could care less what he does," Brown said of McAuliffe. "I can't talk to a fiction. You're a fiction, too."
The Browns based their defense on a theory that no law exists requiring tax payments.
Elaine Brown, 66, said Monday that she doesn't recognize the government, and that its officials are "a fiction in my life."
Outside the courthouse, about a dozen Brown supporters protested the proceedings. Waving "Don't Tread on Me" flags and holding signs, they said the entire process was a sham.
"We might as well be in Soviet Russia or Nazi Germany," said Dennis Mounce of Manchester.
The Browns stopped attending the court proceedings halfway through their trial. Elaine Brown returned at the end to be convicted. Ed Brown remained on the 110-acre retreat.
After the verdict, Elaine Brown was released to her son in Worcester, Mass., and promised the judge she would have no contact with her husband. But she violated her bond agreement and returned to the couple's home.
taxation stuff is just another sign of decline.
Thanks for the update.
Thanks for the up-date. I looked on Monday and didn't find anything. I wonder what the Gov'ment men will do now??
I hope this matter is resolved peaceably and without Ed feeling that he has to do something that gets him and/or his Mrs. hurt or possibly worse.
Right now, they're both looking at finite jail time for non-violent, money-related offenses. And, whether they're ultimately right or wrong, they have already been convicted, so the law is not on their side. A very tough, if not impossible, mountain for them to climb.
They tried to fight a good fight for a loftier ideal and they've made a statement but I believe it's now time to toss in the towel, get on with things and salvage the rest of their lives. They seem like decent people - not delusional martyrs.
Know when to hold 'em...know when to fold 'em.
The lack of media coverage tells me that most of America is either unaware of Ed and his wife or that very few indeed actually care.
No malice here, just my opinion.
What if everybody held so strong to their convictions?
Patriot.
What if everybody held so strong to their convictions?
if everybody held so strong to their convictions then communism would be possible.
i heard recently an interesting point -- every person deep inside tends to lean towards communism, everything else is just a bunch of conditionally acquired views and positions.
Sounds like something a Communist would say (not a personal attack on you, sneaky, just my opinion on the statement).
My assessment would be that what we start with deep inside, before acquiring any views or positions, is probably very close to what we see in nature. You just don't see a lot of Communism in nature, except maybe ants, bees, termites, and such. But even those communities are heirarchical.
The truth is that all species, even humans, crave leadership and direction. They seek opportunity and resources. That is why I am not married to a supermodel, nor am I married to a crack-fatlady. In true Communism, you may get assigned a supermodel or you may get assigned a crack-fatlady, it is a roll of the dice because everyone's potential is supposedly equal. That is about as unnatural as it gets.
There are still tons of citizens in this country that would never even think of such a system,.........including myself, and posssibly your belief of that desire abiding in everyone, comes from the background you were raised under. Not a shot at you,........just an observation.
quote:every person deep inside tends to lean towards communism, everything else is just a bunch of conditionally acquired views and positions.
Sounds like something a Communist would say (not a personal attack on you, sneaky, just my opinion on the statement).
quiet possibly. i am still looking into the meaning of it.
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My assessment would be that what we start with deep inside, before acquiring any views or positions, is probably very close to what we see in nature. You just don't see a lot of Communism in nature, except maybe ants, bees, termites, and such. But even those communities are heirarchical.
The truth is that all species, even humans, crave leadership and direction. They seek opportunity and resources. That is why I am not married to a supermodel, nor am I married to a crack-fatlady. In true Communism, you may get assigned a supermodel or you may get assigned a crack-fatlady, it is a roll of the dice because everyone's potential is supposedly equal. That is about as unnatural as it gets.
agreed. i wouldn't say _all_, but majority definitely. though it may be _all_ since even leaders of men turn to religion or other sources for council.
Sneaky,.........you might be correct that your statement is "starting" to develop in many peoples minds. That would be due to the welfare mentality, and the desire to have the all knowing government to take care of our every need, and want. Look at the mindset that has spread in recent years,.........I should not be able to be fired,even if I don't do my job,........I deserve free healthcare,..........my medications should be free,............I shouldn't have to pay back a loan if it means I have to go to work, or get a second job,...........I should have everything that a wealthier person has because it isn't fair to me, even though the wealthier person usually gets that way by working harder, etc.,etc.!
There are still tons of citizens in this country that would never even think of such a system,.........
absolutely correct.
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including myself, and posssibly your belief of that desire abiding in everyone, comes from the background you were raised under. Not a shot at you,........just an observation.
i don't think it's got anything to do with my background, only what i am seeing here (not GB, but around me) and seeing it now. besides, it wasn't my comment, so don't shoot the messenger [;)]
it's does look that it's very easy to * that people lean towards free things, again, when someone gets a tax refund they attribute it as "free government money" without realizing that it's their own money, or public schools are being paid by government without realizing it's their tax dollars that are paying for it, and so on. and without this simple realization, people start to think that government is somewhat of a God and so on and then we have Soviet Republic all of a sudden. anyways, i am rambling, there're a lot more variables here and i simply don't have time right now to get them all in a couple of sentences.
Oh I certainly realize many are that way,...........I on the other hand, never wonder where the money is coming from, and don't even know what a tax refund looks like, but I do know what a check TO the IRS looks like![;)]
Oh I certainly realize many are that way,...........I on the other hand, never wonder where the money is coming from, and don't even know what a tax refund looks like, but I do know what a check TO the IRS looks like![;)]
well, not to be confrontational or anything, but we're not talking about you personally but rather about the populous en mass [:)]
I can't speak for the entire country but the liberal areas which apparently have a huge influence on outcomes of elections are in pretty bad shape (mentally that is). NO disaster is the perfect example of it. though, i might be wrong, and maybe when SHTF it (the liberal population) will naturally sort itself out of human gene pool.
Sounds like this is about to come to a head!!!!!
Friday, Jun. 8, 2007
Ed Brown says feds have no jurisdiction in New Hampshire.
Click here for details
If you go back and study Alexander Hamilton (you know, one of those "Founding Father's) and his dissertations and explanations of what constitutes a direct vs. an indirect tax, the question should be over, but it never is for the tinfoil hat crowd. The 16th is legal - not desirable - but legal.
The just too cute for primetime attack that anyone who does not agree with an off the wall concept that is just dead wrong must by definition be a "sheeple", a traitor, or a communist is pure BS.
Guess what folks: wrong is wrong, no matter how much we would like it to be different.
Hamilton described it, it was ruled legal in the 1860's, and it is legal now.
I remember kids who used to say that "if it's my opinion, it's right because I believe it". I always told them that they had the right to believe that solid objects could pass through their bodies without harming them, but don't stand in front of a "semi" to prove it.
I'm just not so damn stupid that I don't know when a law I don't happen to like still may be legal.
First, Highball is NOT my HERO. I do respect him AND his opinion, even when I don't agree. That's what makes the world go `round. The 1st amendment, which was properly ratified, grants him, and you, as demonstrated above, the Right to express an opinion. Like it or not!! Love him or hate him, at least he stands up for what he believes, and he IS consistent. A rare thing in a world that makes decisions and flops around based upon skewed public opinion polls. The same Right utilized by the Government and MSM to disseminate outright lies and half truths to support their agenda!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!