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Showed my cousins the Ak today
Mr. Gunz
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They loved it but one of the first things they said were "Does your dad need a permit for that?"[V]
I said "no" and told them how its just like every other gun...I'm just amazed that these people hunting all their life and doing some trap on the side asked such a question...What just because it looks military like and scary we shouldnt have it or need a permit for it[:(]
What has this world came to?
All in all though I think the local gun store is going to have another buyer getting either an AK or an AR, I bump fired 20 rounds (it immpressed[:D])
I said "no" and told them how its just like every other gun...I'm just amazed that these people hunting all their life and doing some trap on the side asked such a question...What just because it looks military like and scary we shouldnt have it or need a permit for it[:(]
What has this world came to?
All in all though I think the local gun store is going to have another buyer getting either an AK or an AR, I bump fired 20 rounds (it immpressed[:D])
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Amazingly it is usually from the same folks that say things like, "It is just too easy to get a gun in this country." or "I'm not worried about gun rights, after all, anyone can just go to a gun show and by whatever they want."
I don't understand how people can believe there is some sort of mythical gun permitting system for purchasing rather mundane firearms, yet also believe we need more gun control because supposedly any teenager can walk into a gun show and buy a machine gun (in their minds).
I think it shows that most of the sheeple actually WOULD go along with a national gun registration/permitting system, such as exists in New York City.
I usually give a flip reply like "i'm a secret agent and if I discussed it with you, I'd have to kill you."
I usually get a wide eyed look and they get the hell away.
Don't like people that don't like guns!
People have been conditioned to ask permission for anything now, and I wouldn't get tired repeating that obtaining US citizenship is just way too easy for immigrants from countries with such customs and according to some stats, they now comprise over 1/3 of population of the US. You should talk to some Russian immigrants -- they truly believe that there's too much freedom and things should be actually controlled just like they are over there. Scary part is that they vote.
Do you have a permit for that?
"No, I don't need one."
Do you have it registered with the authorities?
"Not necessary in this state."
Are you licensed to own rifles of that type?
"From what law book are you reading from, sir?? In this state, the only thing required to own a rifle of this type is a driver's license showing you are 18 years of age or older, and not under disability for several disqualifying things, of which I am none of. No license required."
...Later on, during the interrogation, I mean cross-examination....
Do you have a licesnse to buy and sell firearms?
"I'm not in the business of buying and selling firearms; I only purchase firearms for myself."
...and of course, my favorites, with responses...
Why do you feel it is necessary to carry a gun?
"Because that's what free men do. Those who value their lives, and that of their family will do as I do. Those who would rather rely on the cops, and their cell phones are free to do that, but statistically speaking people equipped with guns are more likely to survive the encounter than those with cell phones. That's why."
You sound paranoid. Maybe that's it....
"If you are a psychologist, then you might want to consider putting a real lawyer in your place so the defendant has a chance of winning today???"
>nearly a minute of silence while Mr. Honigford is recomposing himself for some more of my onslaught<
I wish Illinois had concealed carry! We'll never get it with all these Democrats here!
Even if you get rid of dems, it would take years to repel or change laws.
quote:Originally posted by gunphreak
I heard that one in court, when I went for custody of my daughter...
Do you have a permit for that?
"No, I don't need one."
gunphreak, was that a DA? Is he really stupid? What sane lawyer would even attempt to ask such questions unless he/she really didn't give a hoot about his/her career...
Besides the fact that person with such view should be deported at best.
I hope everything worked out favorably for you.
Same thing with my wife. She's grown up hunting and had no clue about "assault" rifles. When we first started shooting together I explained my hobby. I use an SKS for hunting. She didn't realize that is one of the "scary" rifles that we should be afraid of. I explained how rifle furniture does about as much to a rifle as either cloth or leather interior does to an automobile. Just user preference. After about 10 minutes, she came to realize that there is no difference in the rifles, as they all have the same mechanical purpose regardless of accoutrements.
She now enjoys firing my G3 and AR. Recently purchased her an FN 5.7 chock full of hi-caps and a .50 cal for myself. She's looking forward to shooting the .50 as soon as I can scope it out.
I wish Illinois had concealed carry! We'll never get it with all these Democrats here!
Concealed carry laws are nothing more than registration of people who exercise a right already given them, which turns it from a right, into a privelege.
quote:Originally posted by gunphreak
I heard that one in court, when I went for custody of my daughter...
Do you have a permit for that?
"No, I don't need one."
gunphreak, was that a DA? Is he really stupid? What sane lawyer would even attempt to ask such questions unless he/she really didn't give a hoot about his/her career...
DA's don't hear child custody cases. This was my daughter's mother's lawyer that I beat into a pool of goo.
Besides the fact that person with such view should be deported at best.
Actually, he was fishing for a chance to make me look like a bloodthirsty idiot handwringing criminal that has no right to be around a child.
For the record, I won the child custody case in full measure. The problem is, like a dumb lawyer that he is, he objected to the case outcome on the basis that he didn't like the outcome (as if any loser ever does), and his client has not paid for the transcript to rehear the case. On the 24th, I am going before the court to have his objections dismissed on the basis that, 1 year ater, nothing has proceded, and carrying on like this is pointless, since my child wants to be with me.
quote:Originally posted by thesneakyrussian
quote:Originally posted by gunphreak
I heard that one in court, when I went for custody of my daughter...
Do you have a permit for that?
"No, I don't need one."
gunphreak, was that a DA? Is he really stupid? What sane lawyer would even attempt to ask such questions unless he/she really didn't give a hoot about his/her career...
DA's don't hear child custody cases. This was my daughter's mother's lawyer that I beat into a pool of goo.
ooooh, I am slooooooow, didn't catch first who was talking to whom.
And good for you. Really.
quote:Originally posted by gunphreak
quote:Originally posted by thesneakyrussian
quote:Originally posted by gunphreak
I heard that one in court, when I went for custody of my daughter...
Do you have a permit for that?
"No, I don't need one."
Thanks!!
My attorney said she was not expecting the defense to be an interrogator like he was, but she believed he was on a fishing trip, and came back empty-handed, which is why he didn't call me back to the stand for more.... because he never got the upper hand on me once while my 70 minute interrogation.
To top it off.... toward the end of his questioning, he asked me if I was hiding something? I responded, "what, your fishing trip ended up with you catching a cold??? I know what is expected of me as a father, and that is what I do, including fight to the death for my daughter, and you can take that to the bank."
"Is this custody case something you are doing for your best interest?"
Personally, Mr. I don't give a damn about my best interests, here. I am only concerned of my responsibilities to my child; something your client does not.
gunphreak, was that a DA? Is he really stupid? What sane lawyer would even attempt to ask such questions unless he/she really didn't give a hoot about his/her career...
DA's don't hear child custody cases. This was my daughter's mother's lawyer that I beat into a pool of goo.
ooooh, I am slooooooow, didn't catch first who was talking to whom.
And good for you. Really.
No no, I got it the second time. Geez, am I bad communicating some things or what [:D]
If ya would just quit typing in Russian, maybe folks could understand ya![:D]
I must've asked that while having some of this:
http://www.aberlour.com/abunadh/
Quiet a degreaser, I might say, I only had couple of fingers, but I still taste it 'till now. That was $80 well spent [:(!]
Hard liquor made me crazy mean.
All I drink now is beer, and an occasional glass of Cabernet with a nice "cool rare" filet!
80 bucks,.....sheesh![xx(]
quote:Originally posted by thesneakyrussian
quote:Originally posted by gunphreak
quote:Originally posted by thesneakyrussian
quote:Originally posted by gunphreak
I heard that one in court, when I went for custody of my daughter...
Do you have a permit for that?
"No, I don't need one."
Thanks!!
My attorney said she was not expecting the defense to be an interrogator like he was, but she believed he was on a fishing trip, and came back empty-handed, which is why he didn't call me back to the stand for more.... because he never got the upper hand on me once while my 70 minute interrogation.
To top it off.... toward the end of his questioning, he asked me if I was hiding something? I responded, "what, your fishing trip ended up with you catching a cold??? I know what is expected of me as a father, and that is what I do, including fight to the death for my daughter, and you can take that to the bank."
"Is this custody case something you are doing for your best interest?"
Personally, Mr. I don't give a damn about my best interests, here. I am only concerned of my responsibilities to my child; something your client does not.
gunphreak, was that a DA? Is he really stupid? What sane lawyer would even attempt to ask such questions unless he/she really didn't give a hoot about his/her career...
DA's don't hear child custody cases. This was my daughter's mother's lawyer that I beat into a pool of goo.
ooooh, I am slooooooow, didn't catch first who was talking to whom.
And good for you. Really.
I don't know what just happened here, but my response didn't show up....
Anyway, here it is....
Thanks. I fought an uphill battle, thanks mostly to the part of my daughter's mom and her good for jack $#!t husband making stuff up about me and my wife, which, thanks to a very intuitive magistrate, saw through the BS.
I actually got everything I wanted in court, in direct contradiction to a Guardian ad Litem (it makes me sick to think that witch actually was a representative of my child... seriously!!) report. She fell for their bullcrap, but the magistrate didn't for a second....
Concealed carry laws are nothing more than registration of people who exercise a right already given them, which turns it from a right, into a privelege.
I work for the phone company, and am still waiting on my ccw permit, and am researching pistols for my eventual purchase. I got a repair call for a cop, and was asking him about which pistols he uses, carries, and why he prefers them. He was young, probably mid twenties, and was very helpful and informative in answering my questions. During the course of the conversation, he started giving me hints on law regarding ccw, and things they get complaints about, like visible weapons. He told me to remember, it is a privelege. I responded , telling him i didn't intend to start a consitutional debate, but the fact is that it is a right, not a privelege. This guy took an oath to uphold the constitution, but apprently doesn't know what it says.
Welcome to the forum.
Now...on the contrary;
When you bend the knee to the King and get a CCW...you have renounced your Rights...and accepted 'Privilege' in its place.
You also have agreed with the Socialists/Fascists running the system that ONLY people accepted by the government are fit to own/carry a gun...
You MAY go ahead and do it.The theory being 'staying alive' trumps rights..but doing so happily, gleefully, and with much excitement reveals an abysmal lack of knowledge of our history of freedom.and exactly what the Second Amendment means.
That is why I puke, every time I hear the NRA crowing about another CCW state.
Thanks for the welcome
. quote: He told me to remember, it is a privelege. I responded , telling him i didn't intend to start a consitutional debate, but the fact is that it is a right, not a privelege.
Welcome to the forum.
Now...on the contrary;
When you bend the knee to the King and get a CCW...you have renounced your Rights...and accepted 'Privilege' in its place.
You also have agreed with the Socialists/Fascists running the system that ONLY people accepted by the government are fit to own/carry a gun...
You MAY go ahead and do it.The theory being 'staying alive' trumps rights..but doing so happily, gleefully, and with much excitement reveals an abysmal lack of knowledge of our history of freedom.and exactly what the Second Amendment means.
That is why I puke, every time I hear the NRA crowing about another CCW state.
Highball!!! It's about damned time you come out of the woodwork. Where the hell have you been??? Never mind. Good to have you back!!!
What state are you in?
I'm not aware of any that require a CCW to purchase a handgun.
P.S.
Welcome to the forum.
Kinda nice, with no back-biters chewing away like termites...
Don't get many in this forum from there.
I'm adding it to the list of states that I don't even want to visit.
A clear case of UNCONSTITUTIONAL laws backing the LAW ABIDING citizen into a corner. FORCING them to relinquish their RIGHT to firearms, and turning it into a government controlled REVOCABLE privilege. Extorting taxes from the citizens, calling it a "fee" for their CCW. Does anyone else see something wrong with this picture?
Good luck getting your handgun.
I agree, it is pretty bad. I was asking a dealer about private sales to avoid going on what i call the confiscation list lol. He informed me that there is no legal way to purchase a handgun and stay off the list, so i have to deal with that, since i don't want to get caught with an "illegal" handgun.
To buy a handgun you had to acquire a handgun purchasing permit which required a test. Then about 3 years later they redefined the requirements for that permit, voided all of the ones they had issued, and required everyone to reapply (with a new fee, of course) for the new and improved handgun purchase permit.
CCW is next to impossible to get in California, unless you live in one of the rural counties and are friendly with the sheriff's department. Then in 2004 they started the "drop test" requirement. Only handguns that were certified by a California DOJ "drop test" could be sold in the state. The "drop test" was done at the manufacturer's expense, of course, and cost several thousand dollars for each model of handgun. Obviously only the large manufacturers who knew they would move several thousand units were the only ones that could afford this requirement. Back in 2002 they started the trigger lock requirement, adding an additional $25 to every handgun purchase for a stupid trigger lock. You could get around that one if you signed an affidavit that you had a gun safe, DOJ certified of course.
Of course there is also the BATFE and California DOJ paperwork, 10-day waiting period, etc.
When I moved to Nevada and bought my first gun here, I walked into the dealer, picked it out, filled out the Form 4473, waited about 15 minutes for the telephone insta-check, then walked out of the store with my new handgun. As an ex-Californian, I was a little taken aback at how simple and easy it actually was. I know a lot of you disagree with the 4473 and insta-check, but it is lightyears from the bureacracy that many live under in very liberal states, like LKB3rd in CT. And now that I have my CCW, I don't even do the insta-check, which saves me $25.
Speaking of Connecticut, I can't help but think of that poor doctor a couple weeks ago who suffered the home invasion from two repeat felons, who raped and killed his wife and daughters (one was 11 years old), set them on fire (while they were still alive) and beat him to an inch of his life. What a wonderful example of a highly controlled society, where gun laws only prohibit the law-abiding from defending themselves, thereby empowering the criminals.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/07/25/national/main3095614.shtml
We don't hear too much about home invasions here in Nevada.
quote:Originally posted by mango tango
I wish Illinois had concealed carry! We'll never get it with all these Democrats here!
Illinois does have concealed carry. Sadly, though, it's not weapons carried by responsible people like you and me.
quote:Originally posted by mango tango
I wish Illinois had concealed carry! We'll never get it with all these Democrats here!
That isn't true at all. Illinois is so assbackward, they don't even trust their Gestapo when they are off-duty.
side note: I just received a call a half hour ago, and my permit is ready to be picked up at any time
quote:Originally posted by WoundedWolf
Speaking of Connecticut, I can't help but think of that poor doctor a couple weeks ago who suffered the home invasion from two repeat felons, who raped and killed his wife and daughters (one was 11 years old), set them on fire (while they were still alive) and beat him to an inch of his life. What a wonderful example of a highly controlled society, where gun laws only prohibit the law-abiding from defending themselves, thereby empowering the criminals.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/07/25/national/main3095614.shtml
We don't hear too much about home invasions here in Nevada.