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While Senator Coburn Successfully Blocks The McCarthy Bill...
Your activism has strengthened his hand!!!
Gun Owners of America E-Mail Alert
8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102, Springfield, VA 22151
Phone: 703-321-8585 / FAX: 703-321-8408
http://www.gunowners.org
Wednesday, October 3, 2007
"The American Legion, the nation's largest wartime veterans' service
organization, strongly opposes specific provisions of H.R. 2640... that
would unilaterally abrogate the rights of certain service-connected
disabled veterans to own firearms, a right guaranteed by the Second
Amendment." -- Statement by the American Legion, Sep. 27, 2007
First, there was Gun Owners of America and a myriad of state gun
rights organizations.
Then, the Military Order of the Purple Heart weighed in.
Now, we've heard from the American Legion.
The list of groups in opposition to HR 2640 -- the Veterans
Disarmament Act -- continues growing, even while Senators in our
nation's capital are continuously being BOMBARDED by thousands
upon thousands of phone calls and e-mails from grassroots gun
owners like yourself.
In fact, your efforts have IMMENSELY STRENGTHENED the hand
of Senator Tom Coburn (R-OK). In an article entitled, "Coburn's
block may change strategy for gun bill," a Capitol Hill-based
newspaper reported this morning that frustration is building over
Coburn's "hold" on the legislation.
"We've tried to negotiate," Schumer said, adding that talks with
Coburn are "'not getting that far. We might have to bring it to a
vote."
But the newspaper article in The Hill stated that taking a recorded
vote
on the Veterans Disarmament Act could "complicate its initially strong
prospects" of passage. As reported in The Hill:
"The National Rifle Association (NRA) supports the bill, which its
board member and House Energy and Commerce Committee
Chairman John Dingell (D-Mich.) helped to craft, but the Gun Owners
of America (GOA) has backed Coburn and mobilized its grassroots
against the measure....
"Coburn also has objected to what he and the GOA -- which dubbed
the bill the 'Veterans Disarmament Act' -- believe is the risk of
inadvertently placing veterans treated for mental illness into the
background-check system, thus endangering their ability to buy a gun.
"The Military Order of the Purple Heart and the American Legion both
have backed Coburn's effort.
"But GOA Executive Director Larry Pratt said his group remains
opposed to the background-check system in general, viewing it as an
infringement on the civil liberties and privacy of gun owners. 'This
would be an objection we'd have even after all these [concerns of
Coburn's] are taken care of,' Pratt said."
On a side note: The Hill mentioned that, "Sen. Mike Crapo (R-Idaho)
said he has received a high volume of contacts from constituents
alarmed about the bill's effect on gun buyers' rights."
Other sources have told GOA that Sen. Jim Bunning (R-KY) has also
gotten hit with a tremendous outpouring of opposition against the bill.
You will remember that both Senators Crapo and Bunning were two
of the senators specifically listed in our most recent alert. GOA would
like to THANK ALL OF YOU for your activism and support. You
guys are doing a great job... keep up the good work!
[Oh, by the way, here's a special note for you folks in Idaho. The
remainder of the Crapo quote in The Hill newspaper goes like this: "At
this point, I'm not holding the bill," Crapo said. "But that
doesn't mean I
won't."' Well, that's a great first step, but Crapo needs to join
up with
Coburn in putting a "hold" on the Veterans Disarmament Act. Keep up
the pressure, guys.]
ACTION:
1. The American Legion is already taking heat for its opposition to
this
bill, as the Veterans Administration is blasting them behind the
scenes.
We know that a large percentage of you are members of the American
Legion. So PLEASE GO TO YOUR LOCAL LEGION HALLS and
encourage your fellow legionnaires to get involved (and perhaps even
start receiving GOA alerts). The national office needs to see that
grassroots legionnaires are behind them so that they will continue to
stand firm in the face of the heat they're taking. If you need talking
points, see http://www.gunowners.org/netb.htm -- which is the GOA
special section on the Veterans Disarmament Act (HR 2640).
2. Continue to keep contacting your senators via the Legislative Action
Center at http://www.gunowners.org/activism.htm on the GOA site.
The Hill newspaper says the Veterans Disarmament Act may come up
as early as next week. Coburn is pushing a package of
GOA-supported amendments that, taken together, will improve federal
law -- making things better than they are now. Senators need to hear
that this bill is an abomination, and that it is IMPERATIVE that they
support ALL OF THE COBURN AMENDMENTS.
Pre-written letter
Dear Senator:
Did you know that the American Legion and the Military Order of the
Purple Heart both oppose the Veterans Disarmament Act, sponsored
by Carolyn McCarthy in the House (HR 2640) and shepherded by
Chuck Schumer in the Senate?
Last week, the American Legion stated that it "strongly opposes
specific provisions of H.R. 2640... that would unilaterally abrogate
the
rights of certain service-connected disabled veterans to own firearms,
a right guaranteed by the Second Amendment."
Senator Tom Coburn wants to offer a series of amendments to this
obnoxious bill. I hope that you will stand with Senator Coburn and
defend the constitutionally protected rights of all Americans. And by
"stand with," I mean supporting ALL of Coburn's amendments -- not
just one or two.
Sincerely,
****************************
Support The Second Amendment Every Time You Call Long Distance
Many major phone companies donate to anti-gun politicians and
organizations. Thankfully, not all of them. FreedomFirstTelecomm is a
solid and dependable long distance company. Now, they have agreed
to donate an incredible 20% of your monthly long distance bill to GOA!
What's more, they offer a great and competitive deal for the consumer.
Features include a low 3.9 cents per minute interstate rate, six-second
billing, no term contracts to sign, no monthly fees, no minimum usage
requirements, and no hidden charges or gimmicks.
Please consider stopping by http://www.gunowners.org/ffld.htm to
check out the offer and sign up today.
****************************
Please do not reply directly to this message, as your reply will
bounce back as undeliverable.
To subscribe to free, low-volume GOA alerts, go to
http://www.gunowners.org/ean.htm on the web. Change of e-mail
address may also be made at that location.
To unsubscribe send a message to
gunowners_list@capwiz.mailmanager.net with the word unsubscribe in
the subject line or use the url below.
Problems, questions or comments? The main GOA e-mail address
goamail@gunowners.org is at your disposal. Please do not add that
address to distribution lists sending more than ten messages per
week or lists associated with issues other than gun rights.
---
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Your activism has strengthened his hand!!!
Gun Owners of America E-Mail Alert
8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102, Springfield, VA 22151
Phone: 703-321-8585 / FAX: 703-321-8408
http://www.gunowners.org
Wednesday, October 3, 2007
"The American Legion, the nation's largest wartime veterans' service
organization, strongly opposes specific provisions of H.R. 2640... that
would unilaterally abrogate the rights of certain service-connected
disabled veterans to own firearms, a right guaranteed by the Second
Amendment." -- Statement by the American Legion, Sep. 27, 2007
First, there was Gun Owners of America and a myriad of state gun
rights organizations.
Then, the Military Order of the Purple Heart weighed in.
Now, we've heard from the American Legion.
The list of groups in opposition to HR 2640 -- the Veterans
Disarmament Act -- continues growing, even while Senators in our
nation's capital are continuously being BOMBARDED by thousands
upon thousands of phone calls and e-mails from grassroots gun
owners like yourself.
In fact, your efforts have IMMENSELY STRENGTHENED the hand
of Senator Tom Coburn (R-OK). In an article entitled, "Coburn's
block may change strategy for gun bill," a Capitol Hill-based
newspaper reported this morning that frustration is building over
Coburn's "hold" on the legislation.
"We've tried to negotiate," Schumer said, adding that talks with
Coburn are "'not getting that far. We might have to bring it to a
vote."
But the newspaper article in The Hill stated that taking a recorded
vote
on the Veterans Disarmament Act could "complicate its initially strong
prospects" of passage. As reported in The Hill:
"The National Rifle Association (NRA) supports the bill, which its
board member and House Energy and Commerce Committee
Chairman John Dingell (D-Mich.) helped to craft, but the Gun Owners
of America (GOA) has backed Coburn and mobilized its grassroots
against the measure....
"Coburn also has objected to what he and the GOA -- which dubbed
the bill the 'Veterans Disarmament Act' -- believe is the risk of
inadvertently placing veterans treated for mental illness into the
background-check system, thus endangering their ability to buy a gun.
"The Military Order of the Purple Heart and the American Legion both
have backed Coburn's effort.
"But GOA Executive Director Larry Pratt said his group remains
opposed to the background-check system in general, viewing it as an
infringement on the civil liberties and privacy of gun owners. 'This
would be an objection we'd have even after all these [concerns of
Coburn's] are taken care of,' Pratt said."
On a side note: The Hill mentioned that, "Sen. Mike Crapo (R-Idaho)
said he has received a high volume of contacts from constituents
alarmed about the bill's effect on gun buyers' rights."
Other sources have told GOA that Sen. Jim Bunning (R-KY) has also
gotten hit with a tremendous outpouring of opposition against the bill.
You will remember that both Senators Crapo and Bunning were two
of the senators specifically listed in our most recent alert. GOA would
like to THANK ALL OF YOU for your activism and support. You
guys are doing a great job... keep up the good work!
[Oh, by the way, here's a special note for you folks in Idaho. The
remainder of the Crapo quote in The Hill newspaper goes like this: "At
this point, I'm not holding the bill," Crapo said. "But that
doesn't mean I
won't."' Well, that's a great first step, but Crapo needs to join
up with
Coburn in putting a "hold" on the Veterans Disarmament Act. Keep up
the pressure, guys.]
ACTION:
1. The American Legion is already taking heat for its opposition to
this
bill, as the Veterans Administration is blasting them behind the
scenes.
We know that a large percentage of you are members of the American
Legion. So PLEASE GO TO YOUR LOCAL LEGION HALLS and
encourage your fellow legionnaires to get involved (and perhaps even
start receiving GOA alerts). The national office needs to see that
grassroots legionnaires are behind them so that they will continue to
stand firm in the face of the heat they're taking. If you need talking
points, see http://www.gunowners.org/netb.htm -- which is the GOA
special section on the Veterans Disarmament Act (HR 2640).
2. Continue to keep contacting your senators via the Legislative Action
Center at http://www.gunowners.org/activism.htm on the GOA site.
The Hill newspaper says the Veterans Disarmament Act may come up
as early as next week. Coburn is pushing a package of
GOA-supported amendments that, taken together, will improve federal
law -- making things better than they are now. Senators need to hear
that this bill is an abomination, and that it is IMPERATIVE that they
support ALL OF THE COBURN AMENDMENTS.
Pre-written letter
Dear Senator:
Did you know that the American Legion and the Military Order of the
Purple Heart both oppose the Veterans Disarmament Act, sponsored
by Carolyn McCarthy in the House (HR 2640) and shepherded by
Chuck Schumer in the Senate?
Last week, the American Legion stated that it "strongly opposes
specific provisions of H.R. 2640... that would unilaterally abrogate
the
rights of certain service-connected disabled veterans to own firearms,
a right guaranteed by the Second Amendment."
Senator Tom Coburn wants to offer a series of amendments to this
obnoxious bill. I hope that you will stand with Senator Coburn and
defend the constitutionally protected rights of all Americans. And by
"stand with," I mean supporting ALL of Coburn's amendments -- not
just one or two.
Sincerely,
****************************
Support The Second Amendment Every Time You Call Long Distance
Many major phone companies donate to anti-gun politicians and
organizations. Thankfully, not all of them. FreedomFirstTelecomm is a
solid and dependable long distance company. Now, they have agreed
to donate an incredible 20% of your monthly long distance bill to GOA!
What's more, they offer a great and competitive deal for the consumer.
Features include a low 3.9 cents per minute interstate rate, six-second
billing, no term contracts to sign, no monthly fees, no minimum usage
requirements, and no hidden charges or gimmicks.
Please consider stopping by http://www.gunowners.org/ffld.htm to
check out the offer and sign up today.
****************************
Please do not reply directly to this message, as your reply will
bounce back as undeliverable.
To subscribe to free, low-volume GOA alerts, go to
http://www.gunowners.org/ean.htm on the web. Change of e-mail
address may also be made at that location.
To unsubscribe send a message to
gunowners_list@capwiz.mailmanager.net with the word unsubscribe in
the subject line or use the url below.
Problems, questions or comments? The main GOA e-mail address
goamail@gunowners.org is at your disposal. Please do not add that
address to distribution lists sending more than ten messages per
week or lists associated with issues other than gun rights.
---
If you no longer wish to receive e-mail from us, please visit
http://capwiz.com/gunowners/lmx/u/?jobid=91043216&queueid=1455182751.
Comments
Like I said before, the NRA does some good but I believe they do more harm than good. They have been instrumental in compromising the 2nd Amendment away.
Let me make this clear.... The damn NRA wanted this to happen. The GOA did not. Thus the GOA has enough support to make things happen. To continue to support the NRA is an afront to all that the second stands for. You folks who argue for the NRA should feel ashamed. Not enough support eh???????? Take your damn membership and stick it where the sun don't freakin shine!!!!!!!!!!!!! Cause you ARE SUPPORTING THE DAMN PROBLEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quite being a loudmouth fool. I am a paying member of the NRA,GOA and SAF (if you even know what the SAF is). In other words, even if I am wrong on one of those organizations, I am willing to pay my dues and other effort to at least TRY and save our gun rights. Tell us exactly what you have done over the last 30 years to help? Other than post ignorant comments that is.
Larry Scott | October 02, 2007
There is no such thing as the "Veterans Disarmament Act." There is no pending legislation that would take firearms away from veterans. There is no pending legislation that would prevent a person with post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), veteran or not, from purchasing a firearm or ammo.
But, there is a huge campaign of misinformation and scare tactics being forwarded by a small gun owners group who view themselves to be in competition with the National Rifle Association (NRA).
Let's use some common sense instead of nonsense. If veterans were to lose the right to own firearms, you'd have a lot of unemployed cops. If those who have PTSD were to lose that right, there'd be even more unemployed cops and other first responders, as well. The arguments about a "Veterans Disarmament Act" are, quite simply, ridiculous and illogical.
The piece of legislation is question is H.R. 2640, the NICS Improvement Amendments Act of 2007. H.R. 2640 was carefully-crafted by the NRA and Members of Congress to protect the rights of gun owners, especially those who may have mental health issues such as PTSD.
Alert: Tell your public officials how you feel about this legislation.
The NICS is the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, the database that contains the names of those not allowed to buy firearms and ammo. There are nine specific groups of persons who are included in the database.
Included is anyone "has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution." "Any mental institution" would, obviously, include a VA hospital mental ward. And, the government's definition of a "mental defective" is: "A determination by a court, board, commission, or other lawful authority that a person, as a result of marked subnormal intelligence, or mental illness, incompetency, condition, or disease: (1) Is a danger to himself or to others; or (2) Lacks the mental capacity to contract or manage his own affairs. The term shall include a finding of insanity by a court in a criminal case."
The confusion over H.R. 2640 and veterans, especially veterans with PTSD, began in 2000 when the VA gave the names of between 83,000 and 89,000 veterans to the NICS database. The names were of veterans who had been committed to VA psychiatric wards or who had been adjudicated as a "mental defective." This was required of all government agencies.
Some thought that any veteran with a mental health issue ended up on the NICS list. That is an absurd assumption. If a veteran tries to quit smoking and goes to VA smoking cessation classes, they are in a mental health program because nicotine is considered an addictive substance. The same applies for those seeking treatment for alcohol or drug abuse. And, we know, these veterans did not end up in the NICS database.
Neither current law nor H.R. 2640 would put any person, including veterans, who have sought psychiatric treatment or voluntarily checked themselves into a psychiatric unit on the NICS list. This includes those with PTSD, those seeking treatment for alcohol or drug abuse and those who have voluntarily sought help and been admitted for observation, sometimes termed a "voluntary commitment."
So, why all the noise about H.R. 2640? Some feel the small gun owners group is just looking for members. Others feel they have some kind of beef with the NRA. Whatever the reason, the misinformation and scare tactics should be considered for exactly what they are.
The NRA, in the wake of the Virginia Tech shootings that killed over 30 students, realized that current firearms legislation had some real problems. People who should be in the NICS database, like the Virginia Tech shooter, were left out. And, just as important, the NRA knew that some people who shouldn't be in the database had been included and there was no way for them to get their names of the NICS list. Also, some believe there is wiggle-room in the current regulations that can allow government agencies to "interpret" them incorrectly. The NRA set out to solve those problems, and they did.
The NRA fully supports H.R. 2640. According to the NRA: "Some pro-gun groups have claimed that H.R. 2640 would `prohibit' thousands of people from owning guns. This is not true.In fact, H.R. 2640 would allow some people now unfairly prohibited from owning guns to have their rights restored, and to have their names removed from the instant check system."
H.R. 2640 would require states to provide quarterly information to the NICS database. This information would have to include those who no longer fall into one of the nine categories of "no buy" persons. There would be penalties for states that do not comply. And, the protections, especially for those with mental health issues, assure that a "medical finding of disability" would not put someone in the NICS database. That would include veterans with a diagnosis of PTSD. Here are the protections as stated in H.R. 2640:
(1) IN GENERAL- No department or agency of the Federal Government may provide to the Attorney General any record of an adjudication or determination related to the mental health of a person, or any commitment of a person to a mental institution if--
(A) the adjudication, determination, or commitment, respectively, has been set aside or expunged, or the person has otherwise been fully released or discharged from all mandatory treatment, supervision, or monitoring;
(B) the person has been found by a court, board, commission, or other lawful authority to no longer suffer from the mental health condition that was the basis of the adjudication, determination, or commitment, respectively, or has otherwise been found to be rehabilitated through any procedure available under law; or
(C) the adjudication, determination, or commitment, respectively, is based solely on a medical finding of disability, without a finding that the person is a danger to himself or to others or that the person lacks the mental capacity to manage his own affairs.
Please note again that a person cannot be put on the NICS list solely for a "medical finding of disability," and that would include PTSD.
Also, H.R. 2640 will provide a means for a person to take their name off the NICS list if they should not be on it, something they cannot do at this time. That provision reads:
(A) PROGRAM FOR RELIEF FROM DISABILITIES- Each department or agency of the United States that makes any adjudication or determination related to the mental health of a person or imposes any commitment to a mental institution, as described in subsection (d)(4) and (g)(4) of section 922 of title 18, United States Code, shall establish a program that permits such a person to apply for relief from the disabilities imposed by such subsections. Relief and judicial review shall be available according to the standards prescribed in section 925(c) of title 18, United States Code.
The bottom line for veterans concerned about H.R. 2640 is to just use some common sense. Read the legislation. You may not agree with it. But, if you're a veteran or you have been diagnosed with PTSD, don't worry, they aren't coming for your firearms. The NRA put it correctly when they said, "H.R. 2640 is NOT gun control legislation." It IS...
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Quite being a loudmouth fool. I am a paying member of the NRA,GOA and SAF (if you even know what the SAF is). In other words, even if I am wrong on one of those organizations, I am willing to pay my dues and other effort to at least TRY and save our gun rights. Tell us exactly what you have done over the last 30 years to help? Other than post ignorant comments that is.
Which is why you command respect from my corner, and I have never met you. Although I think what many of us here have tried to do and failed, is show you and millions of you that you are supporting compromise. I for one do not support compromise! right is right and wrong is wrong, any man with the sense God gave all men KNOWS THIS.
We are all fighting the same fight! some know more than others.
Gun Bill Not Anti-Veteran
Larry Scott | October 02, 2007
There is no such thing as the "Veterans Disarmament Act." There is no pending legislation that would take firearms away from veterans. There is no pending legislation that would prevent a person with post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), veteran or not, from purchasing a firearm or ammo.
But, there is a huge campaign of misinformation and scare tactics being forwarded by a small gun owners group who view themselves to be in competition with the National Rifle Association (NRA).
Let's use some common sense instead of nonsense. If veterans were to lose the right to own firearms, you'd have a lot of unemployed cops. If those who have PTSD were to lose that right, there'd be even more unemployed cops and other first responders, as well. The arguments about a "Veterans Disarmament Act" are, quite simply, ridiculous and illogical.
The piece of legislation is question is H.R. 2640, the NICS Improvement Amendments Act of 2007. H.R. 2640 was carefully-crafted by the NRA and Members of Congress to protect the rights of gun owners, especially those who may have mental health issues such as PTSD.
Alert: Tell your public officials how you feel about this legislation.
The NICS is the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, the database that contains the names of those not allowed to buy firearms and ammo. There are nine specific groups of persons who are included in the database.
Included is anyone "has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution." "Any mental institution" would, obviously, include a VA hospital mental ward. And, the government's definition of a "mental defective" is: "A determination by a court, board, commission, or other lawful authority that a person, as a result of marked subnormal intelligence, or mental illness, incompetency, condition, or disease: (1) Is a danger to himself or to others; or (2) Lacks the mental capacity to contract or manage his own affairs. The term shall include a finding of insanity by a court in a criminal case."
The confusion over H.R. 2640 and veterans, especially veterans with PTSD, began in 2000 when the VA gave the names of between 83,000 and 89,000 veterans to the NICS database. The names were of veterans who had been committed to VA psychiatric wards or who had been adjudicated as a "mental defective." This was required of all government agencies.
Some thought that any veteran with a mental health issue ended up on the NICS list. That is an absurd assumption. If a veteran tries to quit smoking and goes to VA smoking cessation classes, they are in a mental health program because nicotine is considered an addictive substance. The same applies for those seeking treatment for alcohol or drug abuse. And, we know, these veterans did not end up in the NICS database.
Neither current law nor H.R. 2640 would put any person, including veterans, who have sought psychiatric treatment or voluntarily checked themselves into a psychiatric unit on the NICS list. This includes those with PTSD, those seeking treatment for alcohol or drug abuse and those who have voluntarily sought help and been admitted for observation, sometimes termed a "voluntary commitment."
So, why all the noise about H.R. 2640? Some feel the small gun owners group is just looking for members. Others feel they have some kind of beef with the NRA. Whatever the reason, the misinformation and scare tactics should be considered for exactly what they are.
The NRA, in the wake of the Virginia Tech shootings that killed over 30 students, realized that current firearms legislation had some real problems. People who should be in the NICS database, like the Virginia Tech shooter, were left out. And, just as important, the NRA knew that some people who shouldn't be in the database had been included and there was no way for them to get their names of the NICS list. Also, some believe there is wiggle-room in the current regulations that can allow government agencies to "interpret" them incorrectly. The NRA set out to solve those problems, and they did.
The NRA fully supports H.R. 2640. According to the NRA: "Some pro-gun groups have claimed that H.R. 2640 would `prohibit' thousands of people from owning guns. This is not true.In fact, H.R. 2640 would allow some people now unfairly prohibited from owning guns to have their rights restored, and to have their names removed from the instant check system."
H.R. 2640 would require states to provide quarterly information to the NICS database. This information would have to include those who no longer fall into one of the nine categories of "no buy" persons. There would be penalties for states that do not comply. And, the protections, especially for those with mental health issues, assure that a "medical finding of disability" would not put someone in the NICS database. That would include veterans with a diagnosis of PTSD. Here are the protections as stated in H.R. 2640:
(1) IN GENERAL- No department or agency of the Federal Government may provide to the Attorney General any record of an adjudication or determination related to the mental health of a person, or any commitment of a person to a mental institution if--
(A) the adjudication, determination, or commitment, respectively, has been set aside or expunged, or the person has otherwise been fully released or discharged from all mandatory treatment, supervision, or monitoring;
(B) the person has been found by a court, board, commission, or other lawful authority to no longer suffer from the mental health condition that was the basis of the adjudication, determination, or commitment, respectively, or has otherwise been found to be rehabilitated through any procedure available under law; or
(C) the adjudication, determination, or commitment, respectively, is based solely on a medical finding of disability, without a finding that the person is a danger to himself or to others or that the person lacks the mental capacity to manage his own affairs.
Please note again that a person cannot be put on the NICS list solely for a "medical finding of disability," and that would include PTSD.
Also, H.R. 2640 will provide a means for a person to take their name off the NICS list if they should not be on it, something they cannot do at this time. That provision reads:
(A) PROGRAM FOR RELIEF FROM DISABILITIES- Each department or agency of the United States that makes any adjudication or determination related to the mental health of a person or imposes any commitment to a mental institution, as described in subsection (d)(4) and (g)(4) of section 922 of title 18, United States Code, shall establish a program that permits such a person to apply for relief from the disabilities imposed by such subsections. Relief and judicial review shall be available according to the standards prescribed in section 925(c) of title 18, United States Code.
The bottom line for veterans concerned about H.R. 2640 is to just use some common sense. Read the legislation. You may not agree with it. But, if you're a veteran or you have been diagnosed with PTSD, don't worry, they aren't coming for your firearms. The NRA put it correctly when they said, "H.R. 2640 is NOT gun control legislation." It IS...
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What a bunch of crap!
quote:Originally posted by tr fox
Quite being a loudmouth fool. I am a paying member of the NRA,GOA and SAF (if you even know what the SAF is). In other words, even if I am wrong on one of those organizations, I am willing to pay my dues and other effort to at least TRY and save our gun rights. Tell us exactly what you have done over the last 30 years to help? Other than post ignorant comments that is.
Which is why you command respect from my corner, and I have never met you. Although I think what many of us here have tried to do and failed, is show you and millions of you that you are supporting compromise. I for one do not support compromise! right is right and wrong is wrong, any man with the sense God gave all men KNOWS THIS.
We are all fighting the same fight! some know more than others.
Thank you. This whole pro/anti NRA thing is actually very, very complex. Even though it may appear simple to take a stand on this issue and know for sure if you are standing on the right side, it is not that simple. Your stand may very well be the correct one and probably time will tell. If I am wrong I will be happy to admit it.
But none of us should jump out of a "defective" lifeboat and swim for shore until we know for absoutely sure our lifeboat IS fully defective and there IS a shore to swim to.