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  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    A word that defies description. Such an illusive concept.freedom.

    A word that historically has meant what some ruler or king has SAID it means..his subjects being forced to live within that meaning.
    Here in America, that word and our people were protected with a Constitution..futher clarified with a Bill of Rights.
    Those Rights were felt to be natural Rights..given by God, perhaps.but inviolate as long as you didn't hurt anyone else exercising those Rights.
    Men bled and died, sweated and starved, and by the application of fire and sword and guns won for us those freedoms.
    My personal belief is that the Founders intended those freedoms to border anarchy..that smaller government was better then bigger..that a government big enough to give its citizens everything was big enough to take away ALL.
    That perhaps. Like knows it when he sees it. That perhaps many cannot.EVER..understand it.
    That perhaps it only springs forth from the minds of men that cannot be bought by power, money, or their positions in the community.

    I believe that many regard the last word, Bravehart, a single screamed "FREEDOM' a quaint, amusing movie his guts were ripped out..nothing a decent, educated person would get involved in, you know...

    Here on these forums we have educated, articulate members that nearly always use their talents to support ever bigger for gun for the insane taxation levels we pay.always attended by the supercilious sneer of a better addressing a lower class citizen.
    Provided, of course, that citizen believes that smaller, less intrusive government is better.

    With what appears to be the voice of `reason', the sweet siren call of government controls on every aspect of your life.from light bulbs to guns to nauseam..these `well educated' appear to be shills for the Elites.

    I believe that the Bill of Rights IS Black.and White.
    I despise the Judas Goats that persist in throwing up all shades of cover the vicious attacks on US.and our Constitution.
    I do NOT believe that the Constitution need a `Judge'.NOR a college graduate to understand the meaning of those simple words.
    I read numbly the THOUSANDS of words the `well educated' use to barter away YOUR Rights..far more then what is in the documents they find EVER MORE power for the Federal Government therein.and less for YOU..a Sovereign Citizen of the united States.

    Step back, people, and ask yourself;
    Are you comfortable with America today ? Like what you see ? Like the garbage running for office ? Just keep buying into what the erudite, slick tongued snake-oil salesmen are selling you.

    You will get much more of the you dumbly watch your country slip into the clutches of a brave New World.
  • nyforesternyforester Member Posts: 2,575 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I and many of us here agree with you 100%
    We need a leader or spokes person to get very loud....screaming what "THE PEOPLE" want ! We need rallys in every city !
    Not just on the 4th of July....but the 4th of every month !
    There is no person or persons doing just that.
    There are a few groups but it is not their passion as much as breathing oxygen.
    We are the ones that have to formulate a plan of action to protect our FREEDOM !

    It will not be very long before we all read about what "FREEDOM" was
    Abort Cuomo
  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427
    edited November -1
    Excellent post Highball, and right on the money.
  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    I have stolen this without permission of the Captain..he posted it over on Politics.

    This man is a rare to express himself eloqently..and a staunch defender of the Constitution and Bill of the Founders INTENDED them to be defended.
    I thought it would go nicely here. I had been thinking about and writing my own post above for a few hours..and discovered that the good Captain had posted a thread that perhaps more neatly then mine expressed the outrage we both feel over the attacks decent Americans suffer when defending the Constitution.

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    Posted - 12/30/2007 : 3:30:44 PM

    New "Conspiracy Theory"....

    * Obsessive and relentless denigration of Constitutional Principals and the principals of "individual liberties".

    * Belittling those who espouse such views and desires.

    * Frantic attempts to sidetrack cogent discussions of the only POTUS Candidate who espouses a constitutionally restrained government, these attempts being without reason, or merit.

    * Continual tossing out of the tired old "tinfoil hat" mantra to discount and marginalize freedom minded thought.

    * Attempting to portray such freedom minded thought and/or support for the only POTUS Candidate running who espouses a constitutionally restrained government, as "cult-like behavior".

    * Attempting to argue points of the US Constitution's Bill of Rights, particularly Amendment II, in a manner that tries to cast doubt on what is its absolutely clear and easily understandable meaning.

    Could all this be an example of "forum plants" on this and other freedom-minded forums? If so, who could be behind such activity and why?

    Neocon priests from within the government?

    CFR acolytes, or supporters?

    Some other entity, or group, or individuals tied to such entities or groups?

    For 30 and a few others, coupled with the manner and the subjects in which they insert themselves....nothing else makes sense, or does it?

    Conspiracy thought of the day..."Just because I am paranoid, doesn't mean that they aren't out to get me".

    Forgot to add....Serious underlaying message, but "tongue-in-cheek" post.

    Edited by - lt496 on 12/30/2007 4:10:24 PM
  • RockatanskyRockatansky Member Posts: 11,175
    edited November -1
    The concept of freedom is foreign to a lot of people, you can't teach it, you can't brainwash into believing in it, if they weren't raised to think for themselves, they will never understand it or believe in it and they will trump all attempts to establish a free society.
  • 45long45long Member Posts: 642 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I understand and applaud your post HighBall. And I don't like many things the government does. I can understand the frustration. But. (you know it was coming huh?)As numbers go, we still have a small Government. The problem is that as the nation grew, so did the power of that small government. And it has been we the people that have allowed it. Whether through apathy or through an attitude of "what can I get out it". Look at all the programs that gives people stuff. Few look beyond what they are getting right now to see what it might cost later. Regardless of who gets into office next, I don't see things changeing in my lifetime for the good. Just trying to reform some of the programs takes a mountain of work and conjolling. Even then the reforms are small. Just enough to make folks think they have acomplished something. In 50 years, while the country may still exist, it won't be regonizable to anyone alive today. And revelution is not an option. Not when your talking about a country the size and scope of this one. At least not in my lifetime. And probably not in yours either.
  • jpwolfjpwolf Member Posts: 9,164
    edited November -1
    Interesting thoughts Highball, just today I was thinking, if our reps won't represent us, we might as well have anarchy. They don't obey the rule of law, the rule of the Constitution, why should we?
  • 45long45long Member Posts: 642 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    You first JP. I promise we will be right behind you. *LOL*
  • Wagon WheelWagon Wheel Member Posts: 633 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    45long:quote:You first JP. I promise we will be right behind you. *LOL*In the beginning of a change, the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot. - Mark Twain

  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    THANK, you, Sir...I read this awhile ago...and to prevent something ugly popping out, I hve been thinking about it.

    DONE !!
    I could NEVER have responded as fittingly as you just did with that one quote.
    THANKS !!![:D][:D][:D]
  • rgergergerge Member Posts: 183 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Wagon wheel, you da man. I live in the cradle of the American revolution, if you let them treat you like crap; they will! It's human nature, if stand up for your self, they will stop. We have to get people in country to put down their video games, tv's, suv's and take a good look around. I for one don't want to live in Amsterdam, but that's just we are going to get if we don't hand out some serious messages as a people. I fear that the younger population could care less, they will when the s--- hits the fan. An it's coming, I live in the peoples republic of maSSachusetts, you can't even find a good gunsmith. They have made everything SO difficult, covered in red tape and regulation. I've live in Texas and florida and let me tell you individul rights are like night and day, Massachusetts is as close as I wonna get to a police state, come visit some time, thats what this country will be like in 10 years if we let them!!

    Love my country, fear my government!!
  • jpwolfjpwolf Member Posts: 9,164
    edited November -1
    The founders intended that the govt. be in constant fear of the populace, and therefore, towing the line.
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