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slumlord44slumlord44 Member Posts: 3,702 ✭✭✭
Curious as to opinions from members of this forum on the Gun Owners of Americia?

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  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by slumlord44
    Curious as to opinions from members of this forum on the Gun Owners of Americia?


    30+ years of "No Compromise".

    www.gunowners.org

    Contrary to what some say, GOA is active and aggressive in opposing gun-control.

    My money is far better spent as a Life-Member of GOA, rather than the wasted money I spent as a Life-Member of NRA.

    I never have to worry what position the GOA will be taking on any pending legislation, that is a given....

    As far as the NRA goes.....compromise, facilitation, outright support,, lies, deceit and the actual drafting of anti-gun legislation....that is what my money bought me with NRA.

    My opinion.
  • Old IronsightsOld Ironsights Member Posts: 93 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I am a no-longer-dues paying Life member of the NRA.

    I am a DUES paying member of GOA & JPFO. When I can afford a Life Membership I'm gonna get it, then go to Front Sight.

    The only reason I don't send back my NRA Life card is it's a requirement at my Club and I get to vote against the Vichy & his minions.
  • pickenuppickenup Member Posts: 22,845 ✭✭✭✭
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    H. L. Richardson was a board member of the NRA for 10 years. He had a problem with the policies of the NRA? When he found he could NOT change it from within, he left and started the Gun Owners Of America in 1975.

    GOA is now, the second largest gun rights activist organization in the country. Which is also known by MOST as......
    "The only no-compromise gun lobby in Washington."

    What they were up to last year.....

    http://www.gunowners.org/a121307.htm
  • wsfiredudewsfiredude Member Posts: 7,769 ✭✭✭
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    GOA and JPFO are doing more to protect your RTKBA than the NRA ever will.

    I was a life member of the NRA. I bought their propaganda; hook, line, and sinker. Then, I was educated by some of the members of this forum. I did the research. Not only is the NRA failing to adequately fight for your RTKBA, they have supported many of the restrictions on the books, and continue to support more restrictions. After learning of this, and reading it with my own eyes, I sent the NRA a rather venomous letter, and turned in my card. "But why would you do that? You've already paid for your life membership, and you are getting the magazine. What good did it do to give up your membership?"

    Simple. I absolutely refuse to align myself with any organization that supports more legislation restricting RTKBA. I do not care to receive their magazine (propaganda) either. Wayne Iscariot and his henchmen are always making references to pivotal points in our early history, and comparing what they are doing with events such as Concord Bridge, and the "shot heard round the world." Well, patriots they ain't[:(!], and how dare they even make mention of themselves, and the brave men that started this nation in the same sentence.[:(!]
    The NRA has sold gun owners out. period. The top priority of the slimebags running the NRA is not RTKBA as it should be; it is money. They beg for it constantly. When I turned in my membership card, they even had the audacity to "make me a special deal", and offered me an Endowment membership if I sent them $100. Evidently, they believed my letter was ambiguous (I thought it was pretty straightforward). Just so they would have absolutely no doubt where I stood, I told the representative I spoke with that Benedict Lapierre could take the Endowment membership, turn it sideways, and insert it firmly in his traitorous a[:(!][:(!]. The conversation came to an abrupt halt and ended.

    Listen, GOA and JPFO do not have nearly the budget of the NRA, yet they are doing 100x more to protect the RTKBA. Not only are they fighting pending legislation, but they are also fighting for the repeal of the restrictions already on the books. Want to make your dollar count? Send it to GOA of JPFO.
  • Hunter MagHunter Mag Member Posts: 6,612 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    GOA been around for 30 years?
  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    I spoke to Larry Pratt 10 or 12 years ago concerning gun control. He said that there was little to be gained anymore, politically...that there was a train running wild down the track, and they were going to have their way, one way or the other.

    Of course, only those that see CCWs' for what they are can understand that statement.


    Who Is GOA?
    Gun Owners of America (GOA) is a non-profit lobbying organization formed in 1975 to preserve and defend the Second Amendment rights of gun owners. GOA sees firearms ownership as a freedom issue.

    GOA was founded in 1975 by Sen. H.L. (Bill) Richardson (now retired). Richardson continues to serve as the Chairman of Gun Owners of America, bringing his many years of political experience to the leadership of GOA. Richardson is also an avid hunter and outdoorsman.

    The GOA Board of Directors brings over 100 years of combined knowledge and experience on guns, legislation and politics. GOA's Board is not satisfied with the "status quo." Americans have lost some of our precious gun rights and WE WANT THEM BACK! This is why GOA is considered the "no compromise" gun lobby.
  • triple223taptriple223tap Member Posts: 385 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    "No compromise"? Say....isn't that the Klan's slogan?
  • prsmithprsmith Member Posts: 31 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by triple223tap
    "No compromise"? Say....isn't that the Klan's slogan?


    Why does it not surprise me that you would know something like that?

    Anyway, what's your point? Is there some law against having the same slogan?
  • Old IronsightsOld Ironsights Member Posts: 93 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by prsmith
    quote:Originally posted by triple223tap
    "No compromise"? Say....isn't that the Klan's slogan?


    Why does it not surprise me that you would know something like that?

    Anyway, what's your point? Is there some law against having the same slogan?

    How to spot a Troll/Liberal:

    Look for the absurd and inflamatory Profile.

    In Discussions/Threads:

    Trolls' #1 tactic: silence the opposition by shouting and yelling
    Trolls' #2 tactic: character assassination by name calling, insult and innuendo (see "Psychological Projection"*)
    Trolls' #3 tactic: draw attention to the issue by grandstanding while offering no solutions

    Most Trolls cannot "argue" without the above or falling deeply into one or more of the Logical Fallacies.

    Too bad really.

    (* "Projection is the opposite defence mechanism to identification. We project our own unpleasant feelings onto someone else and blame them for having thoughts that we really have." That's why froth-at-the-mouth emotional liberals don't want other people to have guns - because they project their hatred & lust for power/violent desires on everyone around them... so they become frightened of everyone else too - especially if they may be armed.)
  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Old Ironsights
    quote:Originally posted by prsmith
    quote:Originally posted by triple223tap
    "No compromise"? Say....isn't that the Klan's slogan?


    Why does it not surprise me that you would know something like that?

    Anyway, what's your point? Is there some law against having the same slogan?

    How to spot a Troll/Liberal:

    Look for the absurd and inflamatory Profile.

    In Discussions/Threads:

    Trolls' #1 tactic: silence the opposition by shouting and yelling
    Trolls' #2 tactic: character assassination by name calling, insult and innuendo (see "Psychological Projection"*)
    Trolls' #3 tactic: draw attention to the issue by grandstanding while offering no solutions

    Most Trolls cannot "argue" without the above or falling deeply into one or more of the Logical Fallacies.

    Too bad really.

    (* "Projection is the opposite defence mechanism to identification. We project our own unpleasant feelings onto someone else and blame them for having thoughts that we really have." That's why froth-at-the-mouth emotional liberals don't want other people to have guns - because they project their hatred & lust for power/violent desires on everyone around them... so they become frightened of everyone else too - especially if they may be armed.)




    An excellent diagnosis Dr. Ironsights.

    Spot-on analysis.[:D]

    Now just wait for a short time and see the stubby little anti-constitution monkey come howling out of his cage.....

    Of course, he may well lay low for a bit and lick his wounds from the analytical beating you just gave him....[:o)][}:)][;)]
  • Old IronsightsOld Ironsights Member Posts: 93 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by lt496...
    Now just wait for a short time and see the stubby little anti-constitution monkey come howling out of his cage.....

    Of course, he may well lay low for a bit and lick his wounds from the analytical beating you just gave him....[:o)][}:)][;)]

    No, he's busy over in Politics patting himself on the back for cleverly insinuating that I approve of child molestation because I want the women and children in the Texas fiasco released and the men rounded up and charged as appropriate.

    But that wouldn't give the Government Uber Alles types the ability to try out their "detain, process and use for involuntary medical testing" techniques on inocent women & kids. [}:)]

    Ah well. Some day he/his kids will be on the "getting rounded up" end of things and will be screaming about how it is all BushCo's fault for establishing the precedent in Texas. [xx(]
  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Old Ironsights
    quote:Originally posted by lt496...
    Now just wait for a short time and see the stubby little anti-constitution monkey come howling out of his cage.....

    Of course, he may well lay low for a bit and lick his wounds from the analytical beating you just gave him....[:o)][}:)][;)]

    No, he's busy over in Politics patting himself on the back for cleverly insinuating that I approve of child molestation because I want the women and children in the Texas fiasco released and the men rounded up and charged as appropriate.

    But that wouldn't give the Government Uber Alles types the ability to try out their "detain, process and use for involuntary medical testing" techniques on inocent women & kids. [}:)]

    Ah well. Some day he/his kids will be on the "getting rounded up" end of things and will be screaming about how it is all BushCo's fault for establishing the precedent in Texas. [xx(]


    Yep....isn't fed-loving, liberal, delusional thinking a wonderful thing?

    What goes around, comes around. A lesson that invariably is learned by most everyone at some point.
  • WoundedWolfWoundedWolf Member Posts: 1,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    GOA is a good group. I was a member until about 6 months ago. However I have chosen not to renew my membership with any gun rights groups as I now believe my income is best served elsewhere.

    If you feel that GOA still represents your beliefs and interests then more power to you. I have moved to a position where I feel these groups (regardless how good their intentions may be) no longer have the ability to return our nation to a true state of Liberty. I believe other means will be required to accomplish this.

    -WoundedWolf
  • gunphreakgunphreak Member Posts: 1,791 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by triple223tap
    "No compromise"? Say....isn't that the Klan's slogan?


    The Klan's motto is "White Power!!"

    You know, the opposite of the NAACP's motto "Black Power!!".

    The one thing I got from Cultural Diversity class in college: Both groups are wrong. Anyone who cannot make the distinctions between the two needs their brainpan flushed. That includes butt nugget, know-nothing trolls.
  • frousseaufrousseau Member Posts: 33 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I believe Wounded Wolf is right, but, also, I believe membership in both NRA and GOA gives one INFORMATION. To win Wars, one must have all the information available about his enemy and it just isn't possible that one Organization will find and present ALL the information you need to fight. The worst end to all this, are the ones that will fold and give up their guns and Freedom like the Aussies and the Brits. We know Hillary and Obama are Anti-Gun... why are we not out in the streets telling everyone, we know we'll become a Socialist Country if either of them becomes President, So we write letters like this and remain too smug about our Freedom and will end up fighting for it. Like the man said; "Freedom isn't FREE" !
  • Don McManusDon McManus Member Posts: 23,138 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    frousseau:

    The GOA provides excellent information, research, briefs, etc. Membership gives one unfettered access to that information and those reports, but more importantly it funds the research and the development of the reports.

    WW may be correct in that the GOA does not have the ability to change the course of the nation. The information it disseminates educates people as to what their place in our society should be, and will serve to increase the numbers that hold these basic beliefs. For me, becoming a life member was a good investment from that standpoint alone.

    There may be no discernible effect in my lifetime, but absent the GOA or groups like it, it is safe to say that the desired effect will never happen at all.
    Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.

    Brad Steele
  • frousseaufrousseau Member Posts: 33 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I didn't say GOA didn't give you all the information available to them, what I was saying is its better to have all information available from all sources than to rely upon only one Source. I remember when the CIA, The FBI and NSA and all the other so-called security agencies were not working with each other and vital information was lost through ignorance. Today they are supposed to be working with the others but jealously still lurks in the hallowed halls of Government, and some data slips through the cracks. The more information you have the better equipped you are to fight a situation that arises. BY saying I don't like the NRA and don't trust them you are applying ignorance to information gathering. I think they have a lot of information and do stupid things out of jealousy like many others in and around Government, but to discount all their information is denying your self of information even if it is small bit.
  • Don McManusDon McManus Member Posts: 23,138 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    frousseau:

    Interesting response, but I don't quite get the jealousy comment. Choosing not to support the NRA because they, at times, choose to support government oversight of what should be a right has nothing to do with jealousy. It is simply a difference in philosophy as to what is truly at the heart of the 2nd Amendment.

    The NRA is strongly pro-hunting and pro-shooting sports, but fudges the basic principle of resistance to tyranny. My guess is that this is done because the NRA is a political entity that must play nice in D.C. if they are to continue to walk the halls of the Capitol.

    I believe their philosophy to be flawed and believe it to be detrimental to the long-term protection of our fundamental right to resist the further encroachment of government into our daily lives.

    Sometimes I also question if their choice for 'Handgun of the Year' is influenced by the amount of add space purchased by Springfield Armory (for example), just as many question the actions of politicians when their campaign coffers are boosted by an NRA check.
    Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.

    Brad Steele
  • frousseaufrousseau Member Posts: 33 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    The Jealousy Word wasn't a blast at any one but the Politicians in Washington and the Corrupt people we have making Laws. The Jealousy between Departments of the Government are part of what is dragging us down, just the Jealousy between members of the State Department are helping to kill our troops in Iraq and Afganistan. I don't agree with the NRA on all counts either, because I believe any one who enters my home faces me and my gun, any one who trys to take my guns, faces me and my guns. I, too, am intolerant of fools and the NRA has done some foolish things and allowed stupid articles to be printed in the Rifleman, selecting a pistol or rifle of the year is always a personal thing. I was Chief Armorer on the test Project of the AR15/M16, NOBODY, not the Army or the Marines wanted it, only the Air Force. So an Ignorant Secretary of Defense felt there should only be one weapons system in the Armed Forces, we are stuck with a rifle that is less than it should be, there is again a Senate Investigation on this rifle by a Senator who is also a Doctor and has some interesting comments and points to make. I think he is right in what he says about the rifle and the Cartridge but there are many who will disagree. I destroyed several AR15's during the test Series, with tests to determine how effective it was during a Beach Landing, a battle in a Monsoon, or fighting in the Desert, Gene Stoner called me a Sadist, but I was looking for a Combat Rifle. A lot of people don't know but people were Courts Martialed for saying a common Advertising slogan of the time; "Its Swell, Made by Matel"!
  • WoundedWolfWoundedWolf Member Posts: 1,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    frosseau, I would like to get your opinions about your involvment in the M-16 program. Instead of hijacking this thread, could I post a new topic in General Discussion and ask you a few questions?

    -WoundedWolf
  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by WoundedWolf
    frosseau, I would like to get your opinions about your involvment in the M-16 program. Instead of hijacking this thread, could I post a new topic in General Discussion and ask you a few questions?

    -WoundedWolf


    I am also interested in details of this project and your personal experiences along with some information and insight into others involved with the project.
  • swiftswift Member Posts: 43 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    GOA all the way! I've had many conversations with the executive director of GOA, Larry Pratt, he's a class act.
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