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R700 varmit vs. Tactical??
fl23in
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ok so i am looking to buy a new R700 sps just not sure what one to buy.
1. SPS varmit 26" heavy barrel
2. SPS tactical 20" barrel
the only main diff i can find is the barrel length, and about .5lb diff in weight. either will be a .308win.
can some plz advise any main reason why one or the other. will one hold a better out of the moa than the other? accuracy is my only goal
the barrel length does not matter long or short to me. it will only be a paper puncher to 600yrds with handloading. After good use either will be fully trued, aftermarket match barrel, so on.
thanks
1. SPS varmit 26" heavy barrel
2. SPS tactical 20" barrel
the only main diff i can find is the barrel length, and about .5lb diff in weight. either will be a .308win.
can some plz advise any main reason why one or the other. will one hold a better out of the moa than the other? accuracy is my only goal
the barrel length does not matter long or short to me. it will only be a paper puncher to 600yrds with handloading. After good use either will be fully trued, aftermarket match barrel, so on.
thanks
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I would get the tighter twist as you can shoot lighter bullets with it. There are some drawbacks but none to worry about unless you try taking long shots with light bullets.
With a 1-9" twist you should be able to stabilize 75 HP and A-max bullets and Sierra/Nosler 77 gr. bullets.
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^OOPS!^ I was thinking .223 obviously.[:0]
The difference between the two is how far do you want to shoot? If like long range get the longer barrel. You can reload to get more velocity out of it. The shorter barrel is pretty much for manueverability, while getting close to the same velocity in standard match ammunition.
on loads i wil prob look in the range of 150 smk,168 smk,175 smk
varmit
http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/centerfire/model-700/model-700-sps-varmint.aspx
tactical
http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/centerfire/model-700/model-700-sps-tactical.aspx
i will prob end up with the longer varmit
With the 1-12" twist you're optimized at 168-175 gr. However, Lapua makes this little gem called the 155 Scenar. Very slippery, stays supersonic as long as the 175's at equal velocity and, best of all, remains pretty stable through the transonic range. One of the guys I shot with out in Nevada (keep in mind it's 4000 ft. elevation) can't keep his rounds supersonic out to one mile in the winter, but can in the summer. Video of them shows them falling all over the place in about 20 degrees. In summertime they were hitting right at the target.
very true but if i was trying for 1k+ i would step to the 338L. yea i use the lupua bullets in my sako .308 LOVES them.
I wouldn't jump up to the .338 unless you wanted to go 2k+. Anything between 1k and 2k is best handled by a 7mm magnum. I've shot my 7mm-08 very accurately to one mile at altitude. It certainly won't reach that far accurately down at sea level but it's definitely a 1k+ gun at sea level.
The only real difference between these two rifles is the stocks. The barrel lengths are of little consequence when tasked for your needs and the actions are the same. The stocks however, are both garbage and will not be conducive to the accuracy that you seek. Remington stocks have been cheapened continuously for years and these are the worst yet.
The varmint is nothing but an injection molded shell which will warp and twist with temperature changes. It lacks any form of rigidity. The so-called 'tactical' is nearly as bad. The forearm is not rigid and the pillar bedding is a joke. It's just another Hogue POS.
I suggest re-evaluating your choices and look for a slightly used, but much better platform for your shooting. You might even be better off finding a barreled action, then locating a stock suited to the type of target shooting you want to do. Sometimes this is nearly the same price as buying something new but the goodies have been done already so you have a better rifle from the start.
Good Luck with your choices.
Best.
I wasn't trying to be contention. I was simply trying to help by adding information that might not have considered.
Let's read this once again:
quote:ok so i am looking to buy a new R700 sps just not sure what one to buy.
1. SPS varmit 26" heavy barrel
2. SPS tactical 20" barrel
the only main diff i can find is the barrel length, and about .5lb diff in weight. either will be a .308win.
can some plz advise any main reason why one or the other. will one hold a better out of the moa than the other? accuracy is my only goal
the barrel length does not matter long or short to me. it will only be a paper puncher to 600yrds with handloading. After good use either will be fully trued, aftermarket match barrel, so on.
thanks
Your statement is that the only difference is the barrel length, no mention of stocks.
Then:
quote:I am very aware of the stocks being JUNK. I will be dropping either one into a B&C medalist varmit/tac FOR NOW. then move up to a AI.
Again no statement to the effect about knowing the lack of quality or any suggestion that you planned to upgrade. We try real hard not to read minds or read into what you write. The more information you supply us, the better the responses.
I think that the Bell and Carlson #1100 stock is a much better choice for the barreled actions you are asking about than either of those supplied with the original models. However, there is the suggestion to look at the Remington LTR model which features the HS Precision stock with the bedding block. The price works out to be just about the same.
Before spending nearly $1,000.00 (or more) on an AI stock, I suggest trying one to see how the fit is with your hands. Many of us bought these stocks on the hype when they first appeared here in America and then promptly sold them off when the fit was found to be awful. Some folks really like them but trying one first is a good bet.
If you do find that the AI is little less than you anticipated, you can take a look at Tom Manner's MCS T5 or T5A stock made with carbon fiber and the best fit I found with a thumbhole.
Tom also makes the same model with the bedding block combined with the drop box magazine feature:
This is the model I use for competitions because I can take several barreled actions with me and switch them in just a couple of minutes without a barrel vise.
If you are still considering blueprinting the M700 action and adding Pacific Tool and Gauge bolt along with the custom barrel, I suggest looking at one of the better 'custom' action currently available on the market. By the time you add in all the extras on top of the blueprinting, you can have a custom action with a good barrel right from the start.
Best.
with 42 grs. of IMR 8208. It would not shoot the same everytime.
Had the gunsmith take the barrel off and found out the chamber was not round and no crown.
Lots of good info to consider, BUT I'm not sure I would put a lot of money in a project that is centered aroun a SPS Bbl. It might be great, but mabey not. To be specific about your guestion of Bbl. lenght
With every thing being equal, the shorter Bbl. will usually be the more accurate, do to the reduced movement of the Bbl due to Bbl. harmonics during firing. The shorter Bbl., is effectively "stiffer", than the longer one, by some amount. That stiffness tends to ensure that the Bbl. will be in the same place when the bullet exits the muzzle, from shot to shot. Remember this stm't. is "when every thing being equal" HAWKSHAW