Remington powder type.

tombiasi

This is not really a reloading question but when I posted it on the experts section the moderator said it should be here.
I was looking for someone who may know the batch and/or part number for the powder Remington uses in the 410 shot shells.
I know it's not canister powder but maybe someone with connections to Remington can identify the in house number they use.
I have connections with the people who made powder for them but they need numbers to help me.
Thanks,
Tom

bpost

Hi Tom,
I am only a moderator here and in Politics, Welcome to the forums.

There is NO SAFE way to determine the powder, they are blended and thoroughly tested by the shell manufacturer before loading, they may even add in different powders to different batches to obtain a SPECIFIC burn rate. A non-canister powder is the base, like flower to bread that is used by the factory. They use powder by the ton, getting it within the load pressure window is something you can't do.

If you are trying to duplicate a factory load a chronograph will give you the velocity you seek, pattern testing the pattern result. Careful pattern and velocity testing of available canister powders will get you what you want with tested, proven save load data available in loading manuals.

tombiasi

Thank you for your response, but I don't think you understand what I am asking.
At Remington there are batch numbers and code numbers for various loads. I have connections with the people that made those batches for Remington but they need the numbers to help me. I have no connections at Remington but do have connections with the powder manufacturers.
Perhaps my question does not belong here.

Tom

jonk

I certainly don't know, but why do you want to? If you can't get it, other than knowledge for its own sake, what incentive do you have to find out?

tombiasi

Because I have some batches but don't know what they were meant for.

bpost

If you have a factory ONLY powder available it is NOT something to experiment with in a shotgun, the pressures can go from a bit low to split barrel and ruined gun-hurt shooter in a hurry.

tombiasi

That's why I'm looking for someone who knows the correct numbers.
I will not be experimenting.

bpost

Good luck Tom, hope you keep your eyes and fingers.

From what I can tell you are looking for a charge weight to load an unknown powder into shotshells for your use. If that is not correct please explain what you want to do with the powder you have....

The recommended load of Alliant powders is in the 12-13 grain range for a 1/2 ounce load.

Figuring 20 bucks a pound you will get 560 rounds at 12.5 grains per shot. That equals about 3-1/2 cents per shot.

There is absolutely no reason to EVER risk Gun, eyes, fingers life and limb over 3.5 cents in my way of thinking, and I am dirt poor!

Use the powder you have for fertilizer in your pea-patch, the plants will love you for the extra nutrition.

charliemeyer007

I'm with bpost if you only have a pound or two. But if I had a couple of 55 gallon drums I'd be shooting it. Shotgun powder is what I use in most of my handguns.

tombiasi

I have about 10 pounds each of 5 different powders made for Remington by Hercules Powder Co. They have code numbers on them I know some was for shotguns. I was looking in the expert section for someone who may have worked at Remington to tell me which is which.
I have no intention of experimenting. The person who got the powder is dead and he knew.

charliemeyer007

Tough call on 10 lbs each of 5 lots. Do you have any really experienced reloaders nearby to help you figure it out?

tombiasi

Unless I get a definite answer I'll burn it.

charliemeyer007

I would hate to see a grand of powder just go up in smoke, but thats way better the someones life or limb let alone an nice gun.

tombiasi

Amen. I burned up about 25 pounds with no labels on it.
Really hot fire. Killed the grass.

instrumentofwar

Completely off topic here, but welcome to the forums. This seems on e of the few times someone here cannot get the answer. There is a vast amount of knowledge here, not to mention some half decent guys[;)]

tombiasi

Sorry if I'm off topic, the moderator told me to put it here.
The guys are only half decent? :-)

bpost

When it comes to reloading this IS THE PLACE TO BE. 50 pounds of powder is no trifling matter. I will make this a sticky, placing it at the top of the page in the hopes you can find the information you seek.

tombiasi

Thank You.
I could be asking for proprietary information. If that is the case remove my request.

bpost

quote:Originally posted by tombiasi
Thank You.
I could be asking for proprietary information. If that is the case remove my request.



Tom, that is exactly what you are asking, those powder charges and blends and load codes are kept secret for a reason. It is also why Hercules and others make canister grade powders for reloaders.

I also agree that using extreme caution a VERY STRONG pistol, like a Ruger Blackhawk or GP100 357 mag, I would be tempted to load some with cast bullets and a charge using bullseye or Red Dot middle of the road data and test fire it while wearing a welding glove standing behind a wall to see how it shot and how it recoiled. Extreme caution might produce some useful data for pistol loads where you could use up the powder. As a matter of fact, I guarantee you that is what I would do but am not recommending that you do it!!!!

All bets are off when trying to come up with shot shell data, way to many variables to be comfortable even trying.

tombiasi

Thank you. Please remove my request. I have some other ways to find out but it may take a while. The powder won't go bad unless subjected to high heat. You may have guessed that I have some connections to Hercules Powder Co. The person who acquired the powder may have broken the law, at least HPC policy. He is dead now so I doubt he will answer a subpoena. His wife gave me the powder. She doesn't know or care about reloading. When he was alive he would give me some in 1 pound coffee cans and tell me how to configure the load. There were no numbers on the coffee can but I put my own data which means nothing to anyone else. Moderator please remove my request. I'll use Allient 410 until I get the required info or have another yard fire.

Thanks, good forum.

bpost

I will un-sticy it for you and leave it open, it will go down the list as time goes by and may at some point generate the answers you desire.

I am saddened by the loss of your friend.

tombiasi

Thank you. I have no desire to have anyone break the law or company policy. Thanks for your condolences. I really do miss him. It was nice not having to buy powder and working up factory spec reloads.