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190gr lead 40s&w

varianvarian Member Posts: 2,257 ✭✭✭✭
edited December 2016 in Perry Shooter Competition Shooting and Reloading Forum
i cant seem to find any load data for 190 gr lead bullets for the 40 s&w. would like to use 231 powderif possible. anyone have a starting load for this combo. just range loads.
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  • charliemeyer007charliemeyer007 Member Posts: 6,572 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    My Lyman book only has two 175 gr. cast bullets. Same loads with 231
    4" barrel universal receiver

    Starting 4.3 gr W231
    401043 ..................... 410638

    863 fps 15,400 cup.... 706 fps 16,000 cup

    MAX 5.8 gr W231
    977 fps 22,500 cup .... 970 fps 22,700 cup
    .

    The 190 gr Jacketed bullet starts with 4.2 gr of W231 540 fps 16,800 cup.
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  • varianvarian Member Posts: 2,257 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    does jacketed bullet data transfer to lead bullets in some way. i have read to reduce by 10% to start but am not sure of this. have found plenty of 190gr jacketed bullet data.
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  • charliemeyer007charliemeyer007 Member Posts: 6,572 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    You have like 8% more bullet weight in the 190 vs. the 175. I would start the cast 190 gr with 4.2 gr and work up; if I couldn't find proper data.

    I generally run my cast bullets in pistols at the upper end.
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  • noyljnoylj Member Posts: 172 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    You can ALWAYS use data for the next heavier bullet. You should find LOTS of data for 200gn bullets.
    Next, is the bullet supposed to be 190gn?
    Here is some data for the H&G #324 which casts a 190gn bullet:
    Bullet Weight Powder Weight Velocity Note P.F.
    H&G 324 190 AA5 5.6 880 167
    H&G 324 190 AA5 5.9 900 171
    H&G 324 190 AA7 7.2 870 165
    H&G 324 190 AA7 7.6 910 173
    H&G 324 190 AA7 8 950 181
    H&G 324 190 AA7 8.4 990 188
    H&G 324 190 HS6 5.6 800 152
    H&G 324 190 HS6 5.9 850 162
    H&G 324 190 HS6 6.3 890 169
    H&G 324 190 HS6 6.8 960 182
    H&G 324 190 HS7 5.6 750 143
    H&G 324 190 HS7 6.4 850 162
    H&G 324 190 HS7 6.7 890 169
    H&G 324 190 WSF 4.6 870 165
    H&G 324 190 WSF 4.9 930 177
    H&G 324 190 WSF 5.5 1010 192
    H&G 324 190 WSL 3.4 770 146
    H&G 324 190 WSL 3.8 860 163
    H&G 324 190 WSL 4.1 900 171
    H&G 324 190 WSL 4.4 940 179

    Bullet Weight Powder Weight Velocity Note PowerFactor COL
    L-FN 195 AA2 4.1 774 Start 151 1.110
    Lead 195 AA2 4.1 792 Start 154 1.110
    L-FN 195 AA2 4.6 880 Max 172 1.110
    L-FN 195 AA5 4.8 798 Start 156 1.110
    Lead 195 AA5 4.8 833 Start 162 1.110
    L-FN 195 AA5 5.3 907 Max 177 1.110
    L-FN 195 AA7 6.1 777 Start 152 1.110
    Lead 195 AA7 6.1 803 Start 157 1.110
    L-FN 195 AA7 6.8 883 Max 172 1.110
    L-FN 195 AA9 8.1 812 Start 158 1.110
    Lead 195 AA9 8.1 839 Start 164 1.110
    L-FN 195 AA9 9.0 923 Max 180 1.110
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  • noyljnoylj Member Posts: 172 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Here is some 200gn load data with 231/HP38:
    Bullet Weight Powder Weight Velocity Note P.F. COL
    Lead 200 231/HP38 3.0 669 Start 134 1.135
    L-RN 200 231/HP38 3.0 700 Start 140
    L-RN 200 231/HP38 3.6 0
    L-CFP 200 231/HP38 4.0 867 Start 173
    Lead 200 231/HP38 4.0 850 Max 170 1.135
    L-CFP 200 231/HP38 5.5 945 Max 189
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  • noyljnoylj Member Posts: 172 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Here is some 200gn load data:
    Bullet Weight Powder Weight Velocity Note P.F. COL
    Lead 200 231/HP38 3.0 669 Start 134 1.135
    L-RN 200 231/HP38 3.0 700 Start 140
    L-RN 200 231/HP38 3.6 0
    L-CFP 200 231/HP38 4.0 867 Start 173
    Lead 200 231/HP38 4.0 850 Max 170 1.135
    L-CFP 200 231/HP38 5.5 945 Max 189
    Lead 200 AA2 3.6 694 Start 139
    Lead 200 AA2 3.8 730 Max 146
    L-FN 205 AA2 3.9 737 Start 151
    L-FN 205 AA2 4.3 838 Max 172 1.110
    L-FN 205 AA5 4.5 736 Start 151
    L-CFP 200 AA5 4.6 878 Start 176
    TC 200 AA5 4.7 823 Start 165 1.135
    L-FN 205 AA5 5.0 836 Max 171
    L-RN 205 AA5 5.0 836 171 1.110
    FP 200 AA5 5.0 841 168 1.190
    TC 200 AA5 5.2 907 Max 181 1.135
    Lead 200 AA5 5.3 758 Start 152
    L-CFP 200 AA5 5.3 990 Max 198
    Lasercast 200 AA5 5.3 Accurate 0 1.135
    FP 200 AA5 5.3 886 177 1.190
    Lead 200 AA5 5.9 852 Max 170
    L-FN 205 AA7 5.9 744 Start 153
    LC L-TC 200 AA7 6.1 777 Start 155 1.110
    L-FN 205 AA7 6.6 845 Max 173
    LRN 205 AA7 6.6 845 173 1.110
    Lead 200 AA7 6.7 751 Start 150
    LC L-TC 200 AA7 6.8 883 Max 177 1.110
    Lead 200 AA7 7.4 844 Max 169
    L-FN 205 AA9 7.8 774 Start 159
    LC L-TC 200 AA9 7.8 774 Start 155 1.110
    L-FN 205 AA9 8.7 880 Max 180
    LC L-TC 200 AA9 8.7 880 Max 176 1.110
    L-RN 205 AA9 8.7 880 180 1.110
    L-SWC 200 AP70N 4.1 880 176 1.230
    Lead 200 HS6 4.7 769 Start 154 1.100
    L-RN 200 HS6 4.7 775 Start 155
    L-RN 200 HS6 5.3 855 Max 171
    Lead 200 HS6 5.3 855 Max 171 1.100
    TC 200 HS6 5.5 835 Start 167 1.135
    TC 200 HS6 5.6 842 Start 168 1.135
    L-CFP 200 HS6 5.6 902 Start 180
    TC 200 HS6 6.0 886 Max 177 1.135
    TC 200 HS6 6.1 915 Max 183 1.135
    FP 200 HS6 6.3 884 177 1.190
    FP 200 HS6 6.7 940 188 1.190
    L-CFP 200 HS6 6.9 996 Max 199
    Lead 200 HS7 5.0 724 Start 145 1.135
    L-RN 200 HS7 5.0 740 Start 148
    L-RN 200 HS7 6.5 900 Max 180
    Lead 200 HS7 6.5 900 Max 180 1.135
    FP 200 N350 5.0 888 178 1.190
    FP 200 N350 5.4 944 189 1.190
    L-Conical 200 N350 5.9 1009 202 1.180
    Lead 200 Silhouette 4.2 787 Start 157 1.135
    L-RN 200 Silhouette 4.2 795 Start 159
    L-RN 200 Silhouette 4.9 900 Max 180
    Lead 200 Silhouette 4.9 900 Max 180 1.135
    Lead 200 Solo 1000 3.7 825 Start 165
    Lead 200 Solo 1000 4.1 898 Max 180
    FP 200 TiteGroup 3.5 828 166 1.190
    FP 200 TiteGroup 3.9 884 177 1.190
    TC 200 Unique 4.2 825 Start 165 1.135
    L-CFP 200 Unique 4.3 902 Start 180
    TC 200 Unique 4.7 910 Max 182 1.135
    L-CFP 200 Unique 5.3 953 Max 191
    TC 200 Universal 3.9 832 Start 166 1.135
    FP 200 Universal 4.2 860 172 1.190
    TC 200 Universal 4.3 912 Max 182 1.135
    FP 200 Universal 4.7 951 190 1.190
    Lead 200 WSF 3.9 747 Start 149 1.135
    L-RN 200 WSF 3.9 785 Start 157
    Bear Creek 200 WSF 4.3 845 169 1.135
    L-RN 200 WSF 4.5 0
    L-CFP 200 WSF 4.7 909 Start 182
    Bayou 200 WSF 4.7 Accurate 0 1.185
    L-RN 200 WSF 5.0 920 Max 184 1.135
    L-CFP 200 WSF 5.6 1043 Max 209
    Lead 200 WSL 3.0 690 Start 138 1.135
    L-RN 200 WSL 3.0 710 Start 142
    Lead 200 WSL 3.9 860 Max 172 1.135
    Lead 200 WST 3.5 760 Start 152 1.100
    Lead 200 WST 3.5 760 Max 152 1.100-1.135
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  • noyljnoylj Member Posts: 172 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    You can ALWAYS use data for the next heavier bullet. You should find LOTS of data for 200gn bullets.
    Next, is the bullet supposed to be 190gn?
    Here is some data for the H&G #324 which casts a 190gn bullet:
    Bullet Weight Powder Weight Velocity Note P.F.
    H&G 324 190 AA5 5.6 880 167
    H&G 324 190 AA5 5.9 900 171
    H&G 324 190 AA7 7.2 870 165
    H&G 324 190 AA7 7.6 910 173
    H&G 324 190 AA7 8 950 181
    H&G 324 190 AA7 8.4 990 188
    H&G 324 190 HS6 5.6 800 152
    H&G 324 190 HS6 5.9 850 162
    H&G 324 190 HS6 6.3 890 169
    H&G 324 190 HS6 6.8 960 182
    H&G 324 190 HS7 5.6 750 143
    H&G 324 190 HS7 6.4 850 162
    H&G 324 190 HS7 6.7 890 169
    H&G 324 190 WSF 4.6 870 165
    H&G 324 190 WSF 4.9 930 177
    H&G 324 190 WSF 5.5 1010 192
    H&G 324 190 WSL 3.4 770 146
    H&G 324 190 WSL 3.8 860 163
    H&G 324 190 WSL 4.1 900 171
    H&G 324 190 WSL 4.4 940 179

    Bullet Weight Powder Weight Velocity Note PowerFactor COL
    L-FN 195 AA2 4.1 774 Start 151 1.110
    Lead 195 AA2 4.1 792 Start 154 1.110
    L-FN 195 AA2 4.6 880 Max 172 1.110
    L-FN 195 AA5 4.8 798 Start 156 1.110
    Lead 195 AA5 4.8 833 Start 162 1.110
    L-FN 195 AA5 5.3 907 Max 177 1.110
    L-FN 195 AA7 6.1 777 Start 152 1.110
    Lead 195 AA7 6.1 803 Start 157 1.110
    L-FN 195 AA7 6.8 883 Max 172 1.110
    L-FN 195 AA9 8.1 812 Start 158 1.110
    Lead 195 AA9 8.1 839 Start 164 1.110
    L-FN 195 AA9 9.0 923 Max 180 1.110
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