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primers

pajtaspajtas Member Posts: 135 ✭✭
edited June 2006 in Perry Shooter Competition Shooting and Reloading Forum
I am a newbie to reloading so please do not laugh. I am going to reload for a 45 auto and a 380 auto. I plan on using Winchester primers. Large pistol for the 45 Auto? Small pistol for the 380 Auto? mttrapper[:)]
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  • pajtaspajtas Member Posts: 135 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    i'm on the hunt for hulls that take a #57 and/or #157 primer. i can use 12/20/28/410 ga hulls
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  • pajtaspajtas Member Posts: 135 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Just curious, if I do not have the exact primers that are called for in the recipe is it ok to use something different? Cases, same question? What if used Winchester cases instead of Nosler, FC, Remington, etc?

    Thanks
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  • pajtaspajtas Member Posts: 135 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hi; I'm new to reloading, and need an answer.
    I have a new LEE turret press, and i insert a new primer on the up stroke, after punching out the old primer. The manuals i read say not to touch the primers. My question is, How do I put the primer into the primer insertion piece without using my fingers? Thanks; Mike
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  • pajtaspajtas Member Posts: 135 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I spilled some large rifle primers on my bench, but there was some large pistol primers on the bench too, they look the same, how can I tell them apart. or what is the difference? many thanks, joe
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  • pajtaspajtas Member Posts: 135 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Is it all right to use cci magnum large rifle primers in my 300 weather magnum.
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  • pajtaspajtas Member Posts: 135 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Can anyone tell me what's the deal with the primer shortage?
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  • pajtaspajtas Member Posts: 135 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    are federals better then winchester for handguns?
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  • pajtaspajtas Member Posts: 135 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    How much difference is there in brands of primers? I haven't been re-loading long and used mainly WSP and some CCI. With the lighter loads I use, I find that CCI seems to leave my gun much dirtier than WSP.
    If I try a different brand, should I load a few and chrono them for comparison?
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  • pajtaspajtas Member Posts: 135 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I am beginning to reload 40S&W. One of my manuals list winchester WSP primers and another list CCI 500 small pistol primers. I am loading 165 grns FMJ over power pistol powder. I want to know what is the different in the two primers and are they interchangable. Thank for any information.
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  • pajtaspajtas Member Posts: 135 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Ok now guys i see all kinds of primers some have numbers behind them so do not like the rem small rifle primer 6-1/2 or 7-1/2 is there a chart somewere to see what the different primers fit what like 222 223 243 small and large rifles primers pistol primers would be a good tool to have on hand thanks
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  • pajtaspajtas Member Posts: 135 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have some magnum primers,never used them before.Whats the difference with them,I know they are more powerfull but when are they used and what sort of loads.
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  • pajtaspajtas Member Posts: 135 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I got a hold of a bunch of small pistol primers but they are for magnum loads. Can I still use them for standard laods and just adjust my powder or is there a danger i dont know about?
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  • pajtaspajtas Member Posts: 135 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Widener's has Wolf Small Rifle Mag primers for those with fast fingers that need em. Large pistol too.
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  • pajtaspajtas Member Posts: 135 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    how do you determine what primer to use??? Some say to use a small pistol primer for the 22 hornet. Why Not a small rifle primer??? I dont know and Iam just learning. I have all the newest reloading manuals from speer and hornady vol.7 but they dont tell you how to derive at a specific primer like they do powders or am I just not reading far enough.You guys seem to know your stuff and have helped me in the past. Thank you Oakie
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  • pajtaspajtas Member Posts: 135 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Is there a chart with primer charger rates?

    as to which is more powerful in comparison
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  • B17-P51B17-P51 Member Posts: 2,248 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    rifle primers have a thicker metal cup, and may not detonate with a pistol firing pin hit.
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  • Tailgunner1954Tailgunner1954 Member Posts: 7,734 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Look at the height of the cup. Large rifle primers are (slightly) taller than large pistol primers.
    Another thing is to look at the seal color (anvil side), they use a different colors.
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  • MobuckMobuck Member Posts: 14,083 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Tailgunner is right. Better use care in handling a lot of loose primers.
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  • mrbrucemrbruce Member Posts: 3,374
    edited November -1
    If you can not notice a difference in the color around the anvil---toss em before they are more bother than they are worth.
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  • JustCJustC Member Posts: 16,056 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    at a little less than .02 each, chunk them in the trash and start over.
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  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    Dump them.
    Look at the exercise as a lesson....NEVER leave live primers laying around. The most dangerous component in reloading is the high explosive primer.
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  • Remington52865Remington52865 Member Posts: 34 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    i'd have to agree with these guys chuck them
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  • mbsamsmbsams Member Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    two kinds of primers? open? on the bench at the same time? and you spilled them? was alcohol involved? you made the Darwin short list.
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  • ClaimbusterClaimbuster Member Posts: 38 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    For the price of a couple hundred primers trash all of them. Its not worth taking a chance (or worrying about).
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  • rediceredice Member Posts: 1,550 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have a somewhat related question, I already know about keeping primers/powder seperate from the bench and only using 1 primer/1 powder at a time.

    Well my question is concerning primers, I am going to start reloading this weekend and bought the last few items im going to need this week. Well I don't really do anything small when it comes to guns so I should be setup for .380 .45acp and .45 colt.

    Now my question is I read some of my reloading manual but havent gotten into it all yet havent had time going to take the time this weekend before I start, however I was looking up what powder and what primers to get and I ended up with 1 reddot 1 unique and 1 accurate #2 as well as winchestor large pistol primers and cci small pistol primers #500 I chose those because it looked like the correlated to the most available loadings of the calibers I wanted to load in the loadbooks I have.

    My question is in the manual it says to use the exact primers for the load specified what happens if you substitute? Say instead of using winchestor large pistol primers I used another brand of large pistol primers? The reason I ask is it seems to me it would be a lot easier looking for components if I could not have to worry about getting the exact primers listed for x load since it seems every loadbook lists a different primer.

    I mean if the powder is just not going to explode correctly and I get poop velocity I dont really care I have a chronograph and plan to check every load I do, and I would just not use that combination of powder/primer again but If I could get it down to 3 or 4 kinds of primers for all my loads it would just be a lot easier and a lot cheeper in the long run and give me less headach's :P I just dont want my gun to explode from using the wrong primers or anything like that :)
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  • Tailgunner1954Tailgunner1954 Member Posts: 7,734 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Redice
    At the lower end (of most) recogmended data the difference in primer brand (not type IE regular vs magnum) there is no problem with swapping. However you if your load is at the top of the chart you DON'T want to "just substute", without working the load back up again.
    The workup phase is when your watching for signs of pressure, pistol cycling issues, and group size improvments. When you find a load that gives you no pressure signs, reliable cycling and good groups, stop there even if it's not a "top end" load.

    That said, the two 45's you doing are fairly low pressure cartriges, and you *probably* won't have a issue with a primer swap (as I have no experance with the 380, I won't comment on that).
    When your new to reloading, try to stay as close to "the book" as possable, leave the "nucular" loads to those with a few years, and thousands of rounds, under their belt (hopefully after that time you/they have enough experance to spot potential issues before they become expensive/painful).
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  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    Your book will show "Starting Loads" and "Maximum Loads".

    NEVER START WITH MAXIMUM LOADS....

    With starting loads, using different primers is GENERALLY no big deal.
    NEVER alter a Maximum Load...FOR ANY REASON...without dropping back 10% and retesting.

    Get several loading manuals..refer to all of them. What you are doing is cross-referencing the manuals...which ensures YOUR hide in the real world.
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  • rediceredice Member Posts: 1,550 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Highball
    Your book will show "Starting Loads" and "Maximum Loads".

    NEVER START WITH MAXIMUM LOADS....

    With starting loads, using different primers is GENERALLY no big deal.
    NEVER alter a Maximum Load...FOR ANY REASON...without dropping back 10% and retesting.

    Get several loading manuals..refer to all of them. What you are doing is cross-referencing the manuals...which ensures YOUR hide in the real world.


    Ya I planned to start at min and work up, the loading manuals part was my problem I have like 8-12 already and each has different primers listed for similar loads. Thanks for the info you really made my day.
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  • coledigger4coledigger4 Member Posts: 826 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have found the majority of my firearms are the most accurate at well below the maximum loads anyway. If you are loading for semi auto you will want to be careful at minimum to be sure the bullet leaves the barrel and the gun cycles right.
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