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difference between 223 rem and 22-250 rem
ChetStafford
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I have a 223 and am thinking about a 22-250 what is the performance difference? ballistics difference? I know there is a big velocity difference but out to say 500 yards is there a real big difference in energy?
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I sincerely doubt you will be able to reach out, ACCURATELY, any further with the 22-250 than the 223.
The only item to consider, how big of varmint will you be shooting? If shooting coyote at 400+ yards, might consider going with a larger caliber - 243 or the like. 243 is flatter shooting, packs more energy at 500 yards, and is legal to use on deer sized game in most, if not all states.
223
(H) 55 VMAX 3240 2859 2507 2181 1891 1628 (100/300/400/500 yards)
bullet energy 1282 998 767 581 437 324 (100/300/400/500 yards)
bullet drop +1.4 -7.1 -21.4 -45.2 (100/300/400/500 yards)
22-250
(H) 55 VMAX 3680 3265 2876 2515 2183 1887 (100/300/400/500 yards)
bullet energy 1654 1302 1010 772 582 433 (100/300/400/500 yards)
bullet drop +0.9 -5.3 -16.1 -34.1 (100/300/400/500 yards)
(W) 55 PP 3910 3493 3114 2766 2444 2144 (100/300/400/500 yards)
bullet energy 1867 1489 1184 934 729 562 (100/300/400/500 yards)
bullet drop +0.6 -4.3 -31.1 -27.6 (100/300/400/500 yards)
223
55 GR. SPR SP
COL: 2.200"
VARGET 27.5 C 3384 49,700 CUP
BL-C(2) 27.5 3313 48,500 CUP
H335 25.3 3203 49,300 CUP
H4895 26.0 3315 49,000 CUP
BENCHMARK 25.6 3264 50,000 CUP
H322 23.0 3106 48,900 CUP
H4198 21.0 3150 47,600 CUP
22-250
55 GR. SPR SP
COL: 2.350"
H4350 39.0 3490 47,800 CUP
H414 39.0 3582 46,700 CUP
H380 41.0 3713 50,700 CUP
VARGET 36.5 3664 50,400 CUP
BL-C(2) 34.0 3606 49,600 CUP
H335 33.0 3589 51,100 CUP
H4895 35.5 3670 49,300 CUP
BENCHMARK 33.6 3674 50,200 CUP
H322 30.0 3480 49,800 CUP
243
55 GR. NOS BT
COL: 2.650"
H414 50.0 3950 51,600 CUP
H380 51.0 4010 48,700 CUP
VARGET 45.0 4000 50,000 CUP
BL-C(2) 47.0 4025 49,400 CUP
H4895 44.5 4058 49,300 CUP
BENCHMARK 41.5 3815 50,100 CUP
To gain anything at long ranges with the .22-250 you need to go to a tighter twist in your rifle as well to stabilize the longer more efficient bullets. 300 fps means a lot when you can retain it longer in the flight of the bullet. Say if you had a 1-9" twist 22-250 you could stabilize a 75 gr. bullet where a 1-9" .223 would only stabilize a 69 or 70 gr. bullet. The difference in speed adds just enough rotation to stabilize one size larger bullet than the .223. If you don't shoot too much when the barrel is hot then you can extend the life of your barrel. there is in my opinion a significant performance difference but somewhat at a cost of efficiency and therefore overall cost.
I will be hunting coyotes and such with it and 300 yds. will be about as far as I will be able to shoot where I will be hunting i stayed with the.223
I believe the Remington Express 69gr BTHP in 223 will hold more energy at 4-500yds than your 22-250 due to a better BC. These are factory loads that I've compared through Remington's Ballistics tables.
Actually, it would be the same bullet. 223 and 22-250 are 22 caliber.
223 69 grain ballistics:
(L) 69 BTHP 3035 2736 2456 2192 1946 1717 (100/300/400/500 yards)
bullet energy 1412 1147 924 737 580 452 (100/300/400/500 yards)
bullet drop +1.6 -7.4 -22.0 -45.9 (100/300/400/500 yards)
22-250 60 grain ballistics - did not find 69 grain info!
(S) 60 SP 3600 3195 2826 2485 2169 1878 (100/300/400/500 yards)
bullet energy 1727 1360 1064 823 627 470 (100/300/400/500 yards)
bullet drop +1.0 -5.4 -16.3 -34.8 (100/300/400/500 yards)
243 70 HP grain ballistics:
(F) 70 HP 3400 3070 2760 2470 2200 1950 (100/300/400/500 yards)
bullet energy 1795 1465 1185 950 755 590 (100/300/400/500 yards)
bullet drop +0.8 -5.7 -17.1 -35.7 (100/300/400/500 yards)
While your point is made with regard to the energy you can also consider looking at the comparison that I just ran. Pay close attention to the bullet weights and then the drops at the longer yardages.
I used your 69 gr. Match bullet:
473 ft lbs of energy
45.4" of drop at 500 yards
50 gr. Accu-Tip:
372 ft lbs of energy
30.4" of drop at 500 yards.
A true comparison between bullets would be my reload for the 69 gr. Hornady BTHP in the 22-250 at 500 yards:
669 ft lbs of energy
32.5" of drop.
The 75 gr. AMAX results:
820 ft lbs of energy
32.1" drop.
The loads are under the SAAMI specs for the 22-250 cartridge.
Best.
quote:Originally posted by cubslover
I believe the Remington Express 69gr BTHP in 223 will hold more energy at 4-500yds than your 22-250 due to a better BC. These are factory loads that I've compared through Remington's Ballistics tables.
Actually, it would be the same bullet. 223 and 22-250 are 22 caliber.
Correct, but as I said these were factory loads. Remington does not offer a factory 69gr load for the 250.
A high twist 250 with 69gr pills will out power the same bullet in a 223, but that is only feasible through reloading. I was just quoting factory available rounds.
I was showing the disparity since you were also discussing reloading in a couple of other threads. No harm no foul.
Best.
cubslover,
I was showing the disparity since you were also discussing reloading in a couple of other threads. No harm no foul.
Best.
Yeah. I've absorbed so much info in the last few days it's all starting to mesh mash together. [:)]
quote:Originally posted by dcloco
quote:Originally posted by cubslover
I believe the Remington Express 69gr BTHP in 223 will hold more energy at 4-500yds than your 22-250 due to a better BC. These are factory loads that I've compared through Remington's Ballistics tables.
Actually, it would be the same bullet. 223 and 22-250 are 22 caliber.
Correct, but as I said these were factory loads. Remington does not offer a factory 69gr load for the 250.
A high twist 250 with 69gr pills will out power the same bullet in a 223, but that is only feasible through reloading. I was just quoting factory available rounds.
Cubs - I am trying to understand your original point then. You are saying that a factory round compared to another round that does not exist over the counter, is better. Yes...you are right...because the other round does not exist unless you custom load for it.
The 22-250 WILL provide higher energy over a 223 because it is launching the bullet an average of 300+ fps faster.
But that will be later this summer when I save enough money for a good scope that I can at least switch between them[^]
The 22-250 WILL provide higher energy over a 223 because it is launching the bullet an average of 300+ fps faster.
No, I was comparing each of the top performing Remington factory rounds from each caliber. The 69gr BTHP Match round in 223 and the Accutip-V 50grainer..... Not the same bullet in either caliber.
http://www.remington.com/products/ammunition/ballistics/comparative_ballistics_results.aspx?data=PRA2250RB*R22501*R22502*RM223R1
--My experience is a little more graphic
--22-250-52gr sierra HPBT---34.5gr AA2230c
--.223---52gr Sierra HPBT---26gr AA2230c
--Big difference in Driving power, using EXACT SAME BULLET--
--I've just been using a lot of AA2230c lately, but my Rem 700 BDL (.223 cal)is still more accurate than my Weatherby Vanguard(22-250) although not a lot!!!
-cost/preference ?????
--[:D][:D]--JIMBO
quote:Originally posted by dcloco
The 22-250 WILL provide higher energy over a 223 because it is launching the bullet an average of 300+ fps faster.
No, I was comparing each of the top performing Remington factory rounds from each caliber. The 69gr BTHP Match round in 223 and the Accutip-V 50grainer..... Not the same bullet in either caliber.
Cubs - dude...you are confusing.
Your original post:
"A high twist 250 with 69gr pills will out power the same bullet in a 223, but that is only feasible through reloading. I was just quoting factory available rounds."
YOU ARE CONTRADICTING WHAT YOUR POINT IS/WAS.........
As I indicated earlier...the 22-250 will push the SAME bullet faster and hit harder...than a 223.....because it is being driven FASTER by MORE powder in the 22-250.
If you buy 22 caliber 69 gr BTHP bullets, you MAY use them in your 223 OR your 22-250 - they ARE the same caliber.
They are however different CARTRIDGES.
No way a 223 Rem. outpowers a 22-250 with the same bullet, but a good 223 is an excellent round (especially to start out with) for fun and varmit work.
If the ranges I'm shooting at get past around 350-400yds I usually reach for a 22-250 or 220 swift ( even thou I have made alot of shots farther out than that with the 223).
If you intend to do much long range varmit shooting (at the ranges you mentioned) and want to stick to factory ammo I'd get a 22-250 instead of the 223.
Just my .02 cents,
Good Luck whatever you do......[^].
dcloco has it right cubslover. Caliber denotes the diameter. they are both .224" caliber.
They are however different CARTRIDGES.
No way a 223 Rem. outpowers a 22-250 with the same bullet, but a good 223 is an excellent round (especially to start out with) for fun and varmit work.
If the ranges I'm shooting at get past around 350-400yds I usually reach for a 22-250 or 220 swift ( even thou I have made alot of shots farther out than that with the 223).
If you intend to do much long range varmit shooting (at the ranges you mentioned) and want to stick to factory ammo I'd get a 22-250 instead of the 223.
Just my .02 cents,
Good Luck whatever you do......[^].
You guys aren't listening.
Look at this..... This is off the Remington web site. These are the top performing round from each caliber. Top line is the Remington factory 50gr Accu-Tip V round for the 22-250. Bottom line is the Remington Factory 69gr BTHP Match round for the 223.
quote:Originally posted by cubslover
quote:Originally posted by dcloco
The 22-250 WILL provide higher energy over a 223 because it is launching the bullet an average of 300+ fps faster.
No, I was comparing each of the top performing Remington factory rounds from each caliber. The 69gr BTHP Match round in 223 and the Accutip-V 50grainer..... Not the same bullet in either caliber.
Cubs - dude...you are confusing.
Your original post:
"A high twist 250 with 69gr pills will out power the same bullet in a 223, but that is only feasible through reloading. I was just quoting factory available rounds."
YOU ARE CONTRADICTING WHAT YOUR POINT IS/WAS.........
As I indicated earlier...the 22-250 will push the SAME bullet faster and hit harder...than a 223.....because it is being driven FASTER by MORE powder in the 22-250.
If you buy 22 caliber 69 gr BTHP bullets, you MAY use them in your 223 OR your 22-250 - they ARE the same caliber.
I understand that, but they were two entirely different statments. When saying the 69gr 223 will out power the 50gr ATV round from a 22-250 at longer ranges. These are factory round that I'm comparing.
I know that a bullet in a 22-250 will out run, and out power the same bullet out of a 223 all day long. I was not comparing reloaded ammunition.