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Turk ammunition powder
sandwarrior
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Howdy all,
I was just out on the range today shooting my Turk T-38(?) today was amazed again at how much velocity this stuff gets. Does anyone know a.) what kind of powder they use, b.) how do I get hold of it?
I've pulled bullets apart and reloaded them with Sierra 150 gr. and had good accuracy out of my M48BO. But this Turk happens to be a lot more accurate with standard Turkish ammo. I shot a couple of two inch groups at 100 yds. I never do that with a.) that ammunition and b.) open sights. Anyhow, just wondering what kind of vunderpowder this stuff is?
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I was just out on the range today shooting my Turk T-38(?) today was amazed again at how much velocity this stuff gets. Does anyone know a.) what kind of powder they use, b.) how do I get hold of it?
I've pulled bullets apart and reloaded them with Sierra 150 gr. and had good accuracy out of my M48BO. But this Turk happens to be a lot more accurate with standard Turkish ammo. I shot a couple of two inch groups at 100 yds. I never do that with a.) that ammunition and b.) open sights. Anyhow, just wondering what kind of vunderpowder this stuff is?
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My border collie is smarter than your honor student.
I can't quite understand how it is so obsolete though when it's performance is so good. I struggle to get anything I have to push 150 gr. bullets out at that fast. Maybe somebody knows where to find it other than having to bust open cartridges. But....I would like to buy some more of the Turkish ammo.
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Is that Norma powder your talking about that is next to impossable/hard to find.
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Sand warrior, the reason you like the ammo is simply the velocity? There are modern powders that will do the same thing. Varget, 4895, BLC2 etc. Just the turk ammo is loaded to the highest pressure that the guns will take on a regular basis. No powder mfg is going to give you loading data that hot, especially when there are 100 plus year old guns floating arround in this caliber with undersized .318 bores.
My border collie is smarter than your honor student.
So far I've loaded IMR 4350, 4895, 4064 and H4895, Varget, and Re15 at the 150 gr. mark and all show pressure signs before I hit the velocities I get with the Turkish ammo.
However, even though my sniffer is gone, the ammo is very dirty. I cringe to think I would leave anything corrosive in the bore for more than 15 minutes too.
One other possibility? This being Berdan primed cases with two flash holes to ignite the powder from it give a faster therefore quicker initial push to the bullet helping to keep pressure down. Secondly, that the central web of Berdan primed shells are able to absorb more pressure than the standard type flash hole where the pressure will eventually concentrate? What do you guys think?.
I'm kind of stumped as to what I need to use to get those velocities.
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My border collie is smarter than your honor student.
The out and out most accurate load I've found is 52 gr. of 4064 behind a Sierra 150 gr. in the Yugo rifle. I should clarify about 4064 too, I only get pressure signs with it when doing a compressed load, smae with 4350.
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BTW, it's salts in the older priming compounds that are the corrosive part, not the powder. How much it stinks after firing has absoulty nothing to do with the corrosive properties of the ammo.
Some guys like a mag full of lead, I still prefer one round to the head.
Sorry missed the last question back. Winchester primers.
Tailgunner,
I've looked up the VV loads for 8mm and they seem pretty soft too. That was however, on the internet and I suspect what they publish in English is lower for the American Saami specs. I have never used Norma powder.
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Richbug,
So far I've loaded IMR 4350, 4895, 4064 and H4895, Varget, and Re15 at the 150 gr. mark and all show pressure signs before I hit the velocities I get with the Turkish ammo.
However, even though my sniffer is gone, the ammo is very dirty. I cringe to think I would leave anything corrosive in the bore for more than 15 minutes too.
One other possibility? This being Berdan primed cases with two flash holes to ignite the powder from it give a faster therefore quicker initial push to the bullet helping to keep pressure down. Secondly, that the central web of Berdan primed shells are able to absorb more pressure than the standard type flash hole where the pressure will eventually concentrate? What do you guys think?.
I'm kind of stumped as to what I need to use to get those velocities.
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Your talking apples and oranges here comparing the Turk powder to 4064, 4895, 4350 etc. The anecdotal comments and data I've seen on the net. Given by folks who've pulled down and used a bunch of the Turk powder for reloading, compare the burning speed to 3031. 3031 is a faster burning powder then even Varget. This same data seems to even hold true for the Com Bloc 7.62 x 54 being imported now. I've seen that Czech powder also being compared to 3031 in burning speed.