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A question on gun for elk and deer.
Griff
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Ok, some prelim first where I elk hunt the law requires at least 30 caliber gun.
I hunt both Elk and deer. Shot my first deer last weekend during a special doe hunt.[:D] using a .243 nice gun.
I was also recently given a vintage mauser 7mm cera 1891. Which was cut down to a 22" berral. The Mauser is old and I plan on taking it to the local gun smith before I use it to make sure its in full working order.
What I need to know is what type and model of gun I could use for both deer and elk. I prefer the Bolt action type.
Or if the old Mauser would work?
I hunt both Elk and deer. Shot my first deer last weekend during a special doe hunt.[:D] using a .243 nice gun.
I was also recently given a vintage mauser 7mm cera 1891. Which was cut down to a 22" berral. The Mauser is old and I plan on taking it to the local gun smith before I use it to make sure its in full working order.
What I need to know is what type and model of gun I could use for both deer and elk. I prefer the Bolt action type.
Or if the old Mauser would work?
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With that reccomendation you really should shoot permium bullets for the larger game. I shoot Barnes TSX 150gr for all my hunting ammo. I have not had anything but tremendous results.
If your 'old Mauser' that you refer to is the M1891 Argentine from the Experts forum then you should be all set. The bullet diameter for your rifle is either 0.311", 0.312" or 0.313" when translated from metric (7.65mm) to English. You need to slug the bore of your rifle to determine what diameter bullets to buy if you can reload. Otherwise you will have to check the manufacturers to see what diameter bullets they use for factory cartridges. Then test a few of each for accuracy.
The 7.65 x 53 is fairly similar to the .308 Win. if you want use something more familiar to compare it to. For elk hunting, you will want to have a slightly heavier bullet than you might use for deer hunting. Bullet weights of 175 gr. or heavier would be appropriate.
Best.
Do you mean "... the correct loads" or do you mean the correct bullet diameter.
If he doesn't know the correct loads then we can figure it out for you, or help you figure it out for yourself. He should be able to slug the bore and measure the slug to tell you what bullets to order or what ammunition will have the correct bullet diameter. Please clarify what you mean.
Best.
Eric
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roysclockgun
why chase the game when the bullet can get em from here?....
Got Balistics?
I am not a proponent of the 30-378, however I watched a gent at the range shoot one. He claimed MV using 180gr bullet was 3800fps. I would think that a 300RUM with the same weight bullet could probably be tweeked up to 3400fps. No?
In 2002 one of the men in my elk hunting camp was carrying one of those 30-378 rifles. His cartridge dwarfed my 300RUM cartridge. Not surprisingly, he was from Texas and also carried a pair of those range finding binoculars that felt like they weighed 10 lbs.!!
Maybe some folks can consistant make 1000 yard shots, where the game does not even know that hunters are in the county. I am not convinced that doing so makes for the best hunting. But, to each his own.
Some where along the line those "only about 100fps faster" cartridges add up to a lot more MV then the older cartridges. If that is not important, to always seek faster and better, then we can all go back to using muzzle loading flintlock smooth bore firearms for all of our hunting. In it's day, the 30-30 carbine was a great cartridge/rifle combo. I'm sure that many elk and bear were taken with the 30-30, simply because that is what the man had! A fair number of more efficient cartridges have come along that push the 30-30 back into a by-gone era, even though it is still a great deer getter in the eastern US woods.
Since the advent of the 8x57mmSpitzer "S" bullet, which gave birth to the 30-06, there have not been many earth shaking developements. Certainly, newer, faster and more powerful cartridges have been introduced. But those improvements have, for the most part, only stretched effective range and knock down power. It can still be said, that given the optimum loading, the 30-06 is adequate for any game animal in North America and in most of the rest of the world.
roysclockgun
JustC did write: " yeah but the 30-378 is only about 100fps faster than the RUM which costs 1/3 as much for ammo.f"
I am not a proponent of the 30-378, however I watched a gent at the range shoot one. He claimed MV using 180gr bullet was 3800fps. I would think that a 300RUM with the same weight bullet could probably be tweeked up to 3400fps. No?
In 2002 one of the men in my elk hunting camp was carrying one of those 30-378 rifles. His cartridge dwarfed my 300RUM cartridge. Not surprisingly, he was from Texas and also carried a pair of those range finding binoculars that felt like they weighed 10 lbs.!!
Maybe some folks can consistant make 1000 yard shots, where the game does not even know that hunters are in the county. I am not convinced that doing so makes for the best hunting. But, to each his own.
Some where along the line those "only about 100fps faster" cartridges add up to a lot more MV then the older cartridges. If that is not important, to always seek faster and better, then we can all go back to using muzzle loading flintlock smooth bore firearms for all of our hunting. In it's day, the 30-30 carbine was a great cartridge/rifle combo. I'm sure that many elk and bear were taken with the 30-30, simply because that is what the man had! A fair number of more efficient cartridges have come along that push the 30-30 back into a by-gone era, even though it is still a great deer getter in the eastern US woods.
Since the advent of the 8x57mmSpitzer "S" bullet, which gave birth to the 30-06, there have not been many earth shaking developements. Certainly, newer, faster and more powerful cartridges have been introduced. But those improvements have, for the most part, only stretched effective range and knock down power. It can still be said, that given the optimum loading, the 30-06 is adequate for any game animal in North America and in most of the rest of the world.
roysclockgun
The Hornady Reloading Manuals show max muzzle velocities for both calibers at 3200 fps with a 190 gr round. I don't have time to check my other manuals, but I'd be willing to bet they are very close. They both show 3000 fps for a 220 gr. Almost identical ballistics. The advantage the 300 RUM has is that it is not designed around the freebore concept. I would that you might be able to get more MV out of the 300 RUM if you pushed it some. Weatherby loads are usually just about as hot as you can get...and much less accurate.
I'd stay the hell away from that guy getting 3800 fps out of his 30-378...he'll probably blow the rifle up.[;)]...and you don't want to be there when it happens.
Eric
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