ANYBODY LOAD FOR THE 7.5 SWISS K11

CHEVELLE427

BEEN PLAYING with some reloads 180gr with 3031 powder. Gun seems to shoot them good. Just it is O at 300 meaters,sorta far away. shot the 200yd target (full body) today open sites sights put all rounds in the kill zone. As long as I aimed at the crotch.

other then putting a scope on it any ideas on making the stock sites work

Mk 19

The only way to get it to work is to shave the rear sight or raise the front sight. A scope would be much easier but I understand what you mean. A battle rifle was ment to be zeroed at 300 yards as that was fighting range, so the gun is shooting just were it was built to shoot.

Kari Prager

Hey there, Chevelle427,
I have an original 1911 rifle that shoots high, and a 96/11 rifle that I put a tall front sight on to make it shoot at 100 yards, which is what my available range is. The stock 1911 sight measures .240" from top of sight base to top of sight blade. The 96/11, which is substantially identical, shoots to point of aim at 100 yards with a .330" sight, from top of base to top of blade.
I made that sight by filing a new dovetail on what I believe was a tall sight for a Mauser from Tennessee Gun Parts, but to be honest, I don't exactly remember. It could have been anything from out of my old sight box.
Not exactly the answer, but hope it steers you in the right direction.
scrmblerkari Swiss Rifles Rule!

Pearyw

One trick I have for old military rifles, is to load them with lead bullets at about 1500 fps. I do this with my 7.5 Swiss rifles. I cast a 160 gr bullet. They shoot lower and the sights can usually be adjusted to point of aim.

Kari Prager

Two things I forgot to mention. I use a fairly hot load of 4064 or BL(C) 2 behind a 150 gr.
Sierra, or the Swiss military ammunition. Also you may have to RAISE your rear sight a click or two to get your zero with this taller rear sight. I just guessed at the height, I'm sure some other correspondents could tell you exactly how much to raise it if they knew the velocity of your load and the bullet weight. I am not very mathematical and won't even try.
scrmblerkari

jonk

Using full power jacketed loads, my 1911 Swiss also shoots high even at 200 yards. I therefore use cast bullets and light loads in it.

My K31 is right on though, using 36 gr of BLC2 (rather mild) and a 150 gr bullet.

I agree, a taller sight blade would be the easiest fix. As your gun is already sporterized, no worries for originality.

Kari Prager

Deqr Jonk,
Thanks for the load information! I have all the components and am going to try that. I have only one Swiss 86/11 with the tall sight, it was a bit of a pain to make, and a 1911 rifle and carbine with standard sights, with which I have been aiming at the lower of two targets (cheapest fix, not really a fix but makes it easy to shoot a score.)
This list is such a great source for eccentric information.
scrmblerkari

sandwarrior

CHEVELLE427,

It's a difficult concept for a lot of folks to shoot a 'battle-sight zero'. The concept there is to hold at 6 o'clock (beltline) and the target will always be above the sights. The reason for that is so that you can still see the target at long ranges and hit it. If you held point of aim @ 300 yds. most times you would cover the target. Granted this doesn't seem all that accurate but the purpose here is a hit not super accuracy, of which Swiss rifles are very capable of.

The first thing here you need to decide on is "Do I want to modify my K-31?" Because if you modify it, it's no longer as collectable. I see though that the stock has already been modified and since they are serialized to the gun...replacing it will also lose collectability. Anyhow, I blackened my sights and then scribed a very thin vertical line down the center of the front sight post. I also scribed matching lines halfway down the notch in the rear sight. For 100 yds. I hold the top of the front sight even with the scribed lines. For 300 yds. I hold the front sight level with the rear sight and aim using the vertical scribed line in the center of the target. It helps immensely when trying to be precise. As opposed to trying to keep the wide front sight centered in the center of mass of the target.

Kari Prager

Dear Sandwarrior, That was an interesting post. Your system for marking the sights, etc.
reminds me a little of that Elmer Keith sight with the gold line half way up the front post for longer range pistol shots. BTW it is way easier to replace the sight on a 1911 than a K31 because the 1911 has a transverse dovetail instead ot a diagonal one. Finding a suitable candidate to modify is no big deal. Also it is easily reversible if you hang on to the old sight.
I have been a pistol shooter more than a rifle shooter, so even with a rifle I have always used a 6 o'clock hold, which mitigates some of the tendency to shoot high, and of course makes it easy to see the target and keep centered in both planes. And I love iron sights, have very few scoped rifles.
There are so many paths to the right answer!
Regards to all,
Scrmbler Kari

CHEVELLE427

thanks for all the info this topic will get locked soon[:(]. yes it would have been better if the gun was all stock but the only thing done to it was some stock work, but the price was right and it feels good when shooting it.
i like to shoot the 200 yd target with this gun and iron sights.
just starting to play around with reloads, have some 130gr loaded up will try them out next week. so far if i aim at the crotch on a full body target it hits center mass[^]. good for me.[:D]