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Need a bullet puller that will pull .17 cal

OdawgpOdawgp Member Posts: 5,380 ✭✭
edited November 2008 in Perry Shooter Competition Shooting and Reloading Forum
I fu up last night
looked at my load card for 17 fireball
Had load data for both 20 and 25 gr bullets on the card
20gr load is 19.5 grains of h335
25gr data is 19.0 grains of h335

well i got them all contorted in my head and 19.5 is one tenth over max load according to the manual

[V] I hate it when that happens, I separated the load data this morning, each has their own card now
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  • BHAVINBHAVIN Member Posts: 3,490 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Unless they have changed the RCBS inertia puller uses the standard RCBS shell holder. Someone should be along to verify or you could check Midway or RCBS.
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  • dcs shootersdcs shooters Member Posts: 10,870 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Use a inertia (hammer) puller. I used mine on 30 carbine ammo. They have a collet type holder on them.
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  • OdawgpOdawgp Member Posts: 5,380 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by BHAVIN
    Unless they have changed the RCBS inertia puller uses the standard RCBS shell holder. Someone should be along to verify or you could check Midway or RCBS.


    I have a inertia puller, I beat a 2x4 to splinters this morning trying to get just one out. I also have an old Lyman cam lock type that pulls 22 up 30 cal but won't grab onto those darned tiny 17cal bullets

    I will try a tree stump later on and see if I split it before I get one to come out
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  • v35v35 Member Posts: 12,710 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    In the early '80s, I experimented with a .17 cal of my own design and found bullets VERY delicate and easily damaged in loading.
    Jackets were thin and soft.
    Unless they've changed a whole lot, you might just have to write off the bullets and yank them with pliers or Visegrips.
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  • flyingtorpedoflyingtorpedo Member Posts: 1,301 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Would it be possible to wrap the bullet with a small piece of cloth, or something else, to make it large enough for your old Lyman to get a hold of and pull them that way?
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  • OdawgpOdawgp Member Posts: 5,380 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by v35
    In the early '80s, I experimented with a .17 cal of my own design and found bullets VERY delicate and easily damaged in loading.
    Jackets were thin and soft.
    Unless they've changed a whole lot, you might just have to write off the bullets and yank them with pliers or Visegrips.



    I have done that a time or two when I only have 1 or 2 that needed attention

    there are nearly 40 of these. (again I fu up big time)
    I have a cotton ball in the bottom of the inertia puller to keep it from messing up the bullets

    I don't believe they have changed much

    If I don't get they started straight in the case before i run them up into the die they will tip and smash the tip when being seated
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  • OdawgpOdawgp Member Posts: 5,380 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by flyingtorpedo
    Would it be possible to wrap the bullet with a small piece of cloth, or something else, to make it large enough for your old Lyman to get a hold of and pull them that way?


    I have tried using electrical tape before on 20 it just pulls right off [V]

    hadn't thought about cloth[?]
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  • flyingtorpedoflyingtorpedo Member Posts: 1,301 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Well, after I posted that I thought the cloth may slip. If electrical tape didn't work, cloth probably won't work either. May try some double sided tape if you have any laying around. I was just trying to throw an idea out there. Also, try you hammer on some concrete with a thin rug. When I make a similar mistake that's what I hit my hammer on. Woorks better than wood because it doesn't give as much. Sounds like you may be SOL on getting the bullets out without causing some damage. At the very least, sounds like it will be a pain in the rear, especially with about 40 of them.
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  • perry shooterperry shooter Member Posts: 17,105 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The problem with 17 cal bullets is of course they are so light that the hammer type dont work unless you hit it so hard it may break the puller Bonasa Cricket would be the type you need but I don't know if they make a 17/ . Get a long nose vice grip take the die out of your press put loaded round in shell holder run up the ram till bullet is above the threaded part of press gip bullet with visegrips 90 degrees to the press lower ram [^][:p][:D] bullet is toast but case is ok .
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  • dtknowlesdtknowles Member Posts: 810 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Try Perry Shooter's idea about taking the die out of the press but instead of the vice grips try using a plier type wire stripper. They have different sets of teeth for different gauges. Find the gauge closest to .17 and bite the bullet as close to the case mouth as possible. The sharp jaws will bite into the bullet enough to get a good grip with minimal distortion of the bullet. The bullets would still be useable for plinking or maybe load testing but not accuracy testing. The marks on the bullets will not be more severe than collet pullers if you a very careful. Depending on the stripper consturction you might need to shim them so they stay level and don't try to twist when you pull down.

    Tim
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  • OdawgpOdawgp Member Posts: 5,380 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by flyingtorpedo
    Well, after I posted that I thought the cloth may slip. If electrical tape didn't work, cloth probably won't work either. May try some double sided tape if you have any laying around. I was just trying to throw an idea out there. Also, try you hammer on some concrete with a thin rug. When I make a similar mistake that's what I hit my hammer on. Woorks better than wood because it doesn't give as much. Sounds like you may be SOL on getting the bullets out without causing some damage. At the very least, sounds like it will be a pain in the rear, especially with about 40 of them.


    going to bite the bullet an buy a puller (I need bullet anyway so i can save on the shipping) that has interchangeable mandrels for different calibers 15 bucks and it should save the bullets

    lesson learned pay attention this time it was only 15 bucks at least I didn't blow my rifle($800) up or worse [B)]

    thanks again for all the help
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  • RCrosbyRCrosby Member Posts: 3,808 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I may catch hell for this, but that .1 grain over published max. may or may not be over actual max. for your chamber/rifle, etc. etc. Assuming a modern bolt action similar to the 70, Mauser, 700, 77, 110, etc. I'd try a round and see how it looks. Chronograph if possible; compare expansion figures against a known load, etc. On the other hand, if that's 1/10 over what you know is max. for your gun (vs. published max), then yeah, pull 'em out and save the brass/primer/powder. For me there's just too many variables at work and I have yet to feel the need to play around with max. loads.
    Be safe.
    Good luck.
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  • OdawgpOdawgp Member Posts: 5,380 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by RCrosby
    I may catch hell for this, but that .1 grain over published max. may or may not be over actual max. for your chamber/rifle, etc. etc. Assuming a modern bolt action similar to the 70, Mauser, 700, 77, 110, etc. I'd try a round and see how it looks. Chronograph if possible; compare expansion figures against a known load, etc. On the other hand, if that's 1/10 over what you know is max. for your gun (vs. published max), then yeah, pull 'em out and save the brass/primer/powder. For me there's just too many variables at work and I have yet to feel the need to play around with max. loads.
    Be safe.
    Good luck.


    Yes I was 1/10th over max and these little cartriges build pressure FAST I didnt want to chance it, besides I have many other rifles to shoot while I wait

    I got the puller yesterday, an hour later all 43 were reloaded with the proper charge and I reused all the pulled bullets saved every one of them it was a beautiful ending
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  • 336marlin336marlin Member Posts: 201 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Forster has a .17 cal collet for their puller that works well, it's still in mine. There will still be marks on the jacket of the pulled bullets though but in a uniform pattern that might not affect accuracy too much when reused.
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  • 5mmgunguy5mmgunguy Member Posts: 3,092 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    RCBS makes a great collet system bullet puller, thay have a collet for .17 cal.
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