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Primers

crappiefishcrappiefish Member Posts: 29 ✭✭
edited April 2009 in Perry Shooter Competition Shooting and Reloading Forum
I am a newbie to reloading so please do not laugh. I am going to reload for a 45 auto and a 380 auto. I plan on using Winchester primers. Large pistol for the 45 Auto? Small pistol for the 380 Auto? mttrapper[:)]
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  • crappiefishcrappiefish Member Posts: 29 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    i'm on the hunt for hulls that take a #57 and/or #157 primer. i can use 12/20/28/410 ga hulls
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  • crappiefishcrappiefish Member Posts: 29 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Just curious, if I do not have the exact primers that are called for in the recipe is it ok to use something different? Cases, same question? What if used Winchester cases instead of Nosler, FC, Remington, etc?

    Thanks
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  • crappiefishcrappiefish Member Posts: 29 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hi; I'm new to reloading, and need an answer.
    I have a new LEE turret press, and i insert a new primer on the up stroke, after punching out the old primer. The manuals i read say not to touch the primers. My question is, How do I put the primer into the primer insertion piece without using my fingers? Thanks; Mike
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  • crappiefishcrappiefish Member Posts: 29 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I spilled some large rifle primers on my bench, but there was some large pistol primers on the bench too, they look the same, how can I tell them apart. or what is the difference? many thanks, joe
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  • crappiefishcrappiefish Member Posts: 29 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Is it all right to use cci magnum large rifle primers in my 300 weather magnum.
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  • crappiefishcrappiefish Member Posts: 29 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Can anyone tell me what's the deal with the primer shortage?
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  • crappiefishcrappiefish Member Posts: 29 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    are federals better then winchester for handguns?
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  • crappiefishcrappiefish Member Posts: 29 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    How much difference is there in brands of primers? I haven't been re-loading long and used mainly WSP and some CCI. With the lighter loads I use, I find that CCI seems to leave my gun much dirtier than WSP.
    If I try a different brand, should I load a few and chrono them for comparison?
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  • crappiefishcrappiefish Member Posts: 29 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I am beginning to reload 40S&W. One of my manuals list winchester WSP primers and another list CCI 500 small pistol primers. I am loading 165 grns FMJ over power pistol powder. I want to know what is the different in the two primers and are they interchangable. Thank for any information.
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  • crappiefishcrappiefish Member Posts: 29 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Ok now guys i see all kinds of primers some have numbers behind them so do not like the rem small rifle primer 6-1/2 or 7-1/2 is there a chart somewere to see what the different primers fit what like 222 223 243 small and large rifles primers pistol primers would be a good tool to have on hand thanks
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  • crappiefishcrappiefish Member Posts: 29 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have some magnum primers,never used them before.Whats the difference with them,I know they are more powerfull but when are they used and what sort of loads.
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  • crappiefishcrappiefish Member Posts: 29 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I got a hold of a bunch of small pistol primers but they are for magnum loads. Can I still use them for standard laods and just adjust my powder or is there a danger i dont know about?
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  • crappiefishcrappiefish Member Posts: 29 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Widener's has Wolf Small Rifle Mag primers for those with fast fingers that need em. Large pistol too.
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  • crappiefishcrappiefish Member Posts: 29 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    how do you determine what primer to use??? Some say to use a small pistol primer for the 22 hornet. Why Not a small rifle primer??? I dont know and Iam just learning. I have all the newest reloading manuals from speer and hornady vol.7 but they dont tell you how to derive at a specific primer like they do powders or am I just not reading far enough.You guys seem to know your stuff and have helped me in the past. Thank you Oakie
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  • crappiefishcrappiefish Member Posts: 29 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Is there a chart with primer charger rates?

    as to which is more powerful in comparison
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  • jbmoosejbmoose Member Posts: 31 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    It's the same reason as the shortage for anything connected to ammunition and reloading - Obama. People are panicking because there's talk of a 500% tax on guns, ammo and related products. Go to Cheaper Than Dirt or any other site that sells this stuff and you'll see "Out of Stock" on just about everything. I can still buy 1,000 Federal Match Primers locally for about $30 (I'm not telling you where) but some primers are selling on GB right now for over $150. It's like the 1973 gas shortage when people were filling their tanks when they were still 3/4 full. People are buying for lifetime needs, not what they need for right now.
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  • crappiefishcrappiefish Member Posts: 29 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thanks, that's what I thought.
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  • nononsensenononsense Member Posts: 10,928 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    crappiefish,

    Welcome to the Gunbroker Forums!

    If you have a search engine that you like to use, type in the terms 'rifle and pistol primers for sale' and you should get a list of merchants that have primers ready for sale.

    The area I live in doesn't have a shortage right now as the shelves are full and the merchants have suppliers with stock.

    The shortage originally stemmed from the lack of facilities to produce them in the quantities that the Feds needed them for the wars that we're fighting and for training. This applies to 5.56 and 7.62 NATO components also. They have closed all of the facilities except for a couple and they have a tough time keeping up with just the military needs. ATK operates Lake City and they own Federal Ammunition so the two get tied together and the supply goes to the Feds first. That's a really abbreviated mention and there is more but I don't type that fast...

    ATK also owns Speer, Federal, RCBS and Weaver.

    Best.
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  • hrbiehrbie Member Posts: 521 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hey guys, new to the forum. But i check in and read here and there. I have only been into reloading for about 2 full years now. On and off since i was 10, dad was a reloader/dealer so i was always into it somewhat. I was going to start a new topic but i saw this and thought it fit the subject. For you guys that have been reloading for a long time, has there ever been a "crisis" where components were as scarce as they are now?
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  • bpostbpost Member Posts: 32,669 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by hrbie
    Hey guys, new to the forum. But i check in and read here and there. I have only been into reloading for about 2 full years now. On and off since i was 10, dad was a reloader/dealer so i was always into it somewhat. I was going to start a new topic but i saw this and thought it fit the subject. For you guys that have been reloading for a long time, has there ever been a "crisis" where components were as scarce as they are now?


    NO! I have never seen prices zoom to the moon like they are either.
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  • grizzclawgrizzclaw Member Posts: 1,159 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Back in 94 I saw a shortage of primers, I'm still using some of the ones that I bought then. Nothing like it is now.
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  • v35v35 Member Posts: 12,710 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I bought some Federal pistol primers today at a local shop. They took $45 per 1000 !!!
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  • marinegunnymarinegunny Member Posts: 1 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Some of you reading this need to realize that this may not go away anytime soon. As a 20 year Vet in the Corp I have come to the understanding it is due or die (so to speak). You can keep your guns but, if you have no ammo what are they good for, paper weights. Semper Fi.[B)]
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  • partisanpartisan Member Posts: 6,414
    edited November -1
    Marinegunny; I'm with you on this one! I'm too old to change so I really don't give a damn what Obama, and his lefties say! I'll be looking for a cabin in Idaho, where I'll DO or Die!!!!!!!!!!

    ***********SEMPER FI********************
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  • WulfmannWulfmann Member Posts: 4,904 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    5000 #34 military CCI SR primers sold at GB auction today for $471.00 plus shipping and hazmat, no joke.

    That is 10 cents each for primers and I can remember loading 223; bullet, powder and primer for less than 10cents each in the 90's

    http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=125606907

    Wulfmann
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    "Fools learn from their own mistakes. I learn from the mistakes of others"
    Otto von Bismarck
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  • TommytornadoTommytornado Member Posts: 46 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    That is crazy!
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  • richardaricharda Member Posts: 393 ✭
    edited November -1
    During the early 1970s there was a component shortage, mainly primers, which was attributed to the Vietnam war.
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  • perry shooterperry shooter Member Posts: 17,105 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Don't want to come across as doom and gloom but I bet the anti gun folks are dancing first stop making enough primers to reload . THINK about It we can make everything else maybe not smokeless powder but we can make black. Then they pass laws to stop sales of ammo [:(]. No need to outlaw guns. Keep your FLINT lock we may need them.
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  • crappiefishcrappiefish Member Posts: 29 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hey guys, I have shopped around and stayed on some back order lists and found some primers at normal retail cost. They are available in some places. The gluts that are buying up 10 and 20 thousand lots aren't helping matters.
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  • steveaustinsteveaustin Member Posts: 852 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    First timer here, I came in to ask a question about magnum pistol primers and found many sites to answer my question. So, instead of ruining the fun of the hunt I'll just say that they are limiting us to 2 boxes of 100 a piece down here in San Antonio.
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  • hrbiehrbie Member Posts: 521 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Got Winchest Small Pistol today, paid $28 for 1K at the local shop.
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  • Colonel PlinkColonel Plink Member Posts: 16,460
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by hrbie
    Got Winchest Small Pistol today, paid $28 for 1K at the local shop.

    My gun guy is dinging folks $70.00 for a brick of 1,000.

    And, yes, I bought a brick.

    Because nobody has any within a 100-mile radius.

    Bummer.
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  • hrbiehrbie Member Posts: 521 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thats BS. I dont care if it was the last box left they shouldnt get to gouge prices like that.
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  • JohnnylikesgunsJohnnylikesguns Member Posts: 2,887 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by hrbie
    Thats BS. I dont care if it was the last box left they shouldnt get to gouge prices like that.


    I bet you didn't like paying $4.00 a gallon for gas last summer but
    that was the price. Take it or leave it.
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  • hrbiehrbie Member Posts: 521 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Very true John. Maybe i just get a little mad that i see people selling them like that when im getting them for what i think is a good price. But really, $70 for a 1000 primers. And at a local shop? Kinda makes a you mad doesnt it?
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  • jonkjonk Member Posts: 10,121
    edited November -1
    It's sickening and I for one won't buy at that price. I'd sooner not shoot. But it is capitalism- if people will pay that price I say more power to the seller. He can be an SOB and I'll still not condemn him totally.
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  • wrdog05wrdog05 Member Posts: 17 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    just bought small rifle primers today, limited me to 2 packs of 100 paid 3.99 a pack here in ND
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