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Varmint shooters - ATTENTION!
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For all of you .17 caliber fans, the best of the .17's will now be available from the factory!
NEWS RELEASE:
VARMINTING--Remington Plans 17-221 Fireball Factory Rifle: Remington has confirmed plans to release a factory varmint rifle chambered as a 17-221 Fireball. We have no firm dates for a product launch, but we expect the new rifles to be available in the first quarter of 2007. Currently, Remington offers just one 17-caliber chambering, the .17 Remington. That is available as a Model 700?,? BDL?,? or Model 700?,? LV SF. Given the efficiency of the Fireball case, we can expect a 17-221 to comfortably reach 4,000 fps with a 20-grainer, and Remington sources have hinted that a 4000-fps factory load will be offered. In 17 Mach IV wildcat form, shooters are reporting 3,850 fps with 25 grainers. From what we are told, the 17-221 will have a slightly longer neck than a 17 Mach IV. That means you won't be able to use Cooper Arms' loaded 17 Mach IV ammo. We haven't seen a blueprint of the new Remington brass yet, so we don't know if the shoulder is the same, with just a longer neck. Accordingly we're not sure whether the current 17 Mach IV full-length dies will work. But you should be able to neck-size the case with a Redding .221 Fireball Type-S die with smaller bushings. You'll find a lengthy discussion of the new 17-221 Fireball in this thread on Saubier.com.
NEWS RELEASE:
VARMINTING--Remington Plans 17-221 Fireball Factory Rifle: Remington has confirmed plans to release a factory varmint rifle chambered as a 17-221 Fireball. We have no firm dates for a product launch, but we expect the new rifles to be available in the first quarter of 2007. Currently, Remington offers just one 17-caliber chambering, the .17 Remington. That is available as a Model 700?,? BDL?,? or Model 700?,? LV SF. Given the efficiency of the Fireball case, we can expect a 17-221 to comfortably reach 4,000 fps with a 20-grainer, and Remington sources have hinted that a 4000-fps factory load will be offered. In 17 Mach IV wildcat form, shooters are reporting 3,850 fps with 25 grainers. From what we are told, the 17-221 will have a slightly longer neck than a 17 Mach IV. That means you won't be able to use Cooper Arms' loaded 17 Mach IV ammo. We haven't seen a blueprint of the new Remington brass yet, so we don't know if the shoulder is the same, with just a longer neck. Accordingly we're not sure whether the current 17 Mach IV full-length dies will work. But you should be able to neck-size the case with a Redding .221 Fireball Type-S die with smaller bushings. You'll find a lengthy discussion of the new 17-221 Fireball in this thread on Saubier.com.
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Factory availability of ammunition, dies and accessories will do a lot for this little cartridge. Berger has bullets ranging from 15 gr. to 30 gr. and there are some customs that are a bit heavier. A 1:10" twist will handle everything except the heavy customs and a couple of the barrel makers will make a 1:9" twist for those. I've been working with it for about 10 years and it is an absolutely marvelous little cartridge for varmints and just plain funshooting. Youngsters take to it like fish to water due to the mild recoil.
From Accurate Arms Powder:
This wildcat cartridge is simply the .221 Remington Fireball case
necked down to .17 caliber. The O'Brien Rifle Company is the originator of this very efficient cartridge, a little powder goes a long way. Based upon the parent case and the type of rifles used, we used a pressure limit of 52,000 C.U.P., the same as the .17 Remington. As there are no doubt many versions of this cartridge in existence, caution is advised in approaching the listed maximum charge.
- If remember the story correctly, Vern use the Baby Sakos for the first rifles. -
Best.
Barrel life and cartridge efficiency are valuable assetts for a cartridge to have.
I have a 17 MachIV and consider it an outstandingly accurate, efficient and lethal Varminting round! Its also slower to heat a barrel in a Colony Varmint situation than is a 17 Remington!!!
That my friend is also an important assett!
I personally am excited about Remingtons new offering and intend to add one of these to my Varminting arsenal and yes, it will sit in my safe right along side 3 other Remington 17 caliber centerfires (A Remington 700 BDL, a Remington 700 Classic and a limited factory offering Model 700 VSS (Varmint weight 26" barrelled all stainless Varminter).
Good for Remington - the more offerings they come out with THE BETTER, I feel.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy
Not sure on the barrel heat issue, but has anybody compared same barrel diameters of the two calibers with each other?
Any two rifles, shooting the same weight of bullet, at the same speed, should have the same amount of heat generated that they are trying to expel through the metal of the barrel... NO?
The HMR's were cool. Until the ammo got pricey. I can load 100 rounds of 223 and reach out to 600 yards, for the same price as 100 rounds of HMR's.
Same with the WSM's & WSSM's. All of hoopla surrounding these...AND the false advertising (NOT comparing apples to apples) was a farce.
Are the W's a good round? Yes, but, at the speeds they are pushing, they will eat throats sooner.
Time will tell.
Yes, I DEFINITELY like seeing new calibers and innovations....that is what keeps us going. I do not like seeing claims based on false, inaccurate, or incomplete stated data though.
Bottom line - if a new round gets more people in this hobby/sport/obsession, then I am DEFINTELY ALL FOR IT!
Oh...the round count question...my 17 Remington easily goes 300 rounds without cleaning. Depends on the powder being used, as usual.
Please, come back and post pics and results.
Biggest thing...will be wind. Next...bullet running out of speed.
Looking at SOME data last night...the 17 Fireball starts out 400-600 FPS slower than the 17 Rem.
Should be a VERY accurate round. Recoil? I doubt this will have ANY recoil. My 17 Rem is next to nothing. I believe the rack slamming back on my 10/22 is close to the same recoil.
My 17 Rem is affected by the wind. Anything over 10 mph and I put it pack in the pouch....but bring out the 223!
For all of you .17 caliber fans, the best of the .17's will now be available from the factory!
NEWS RELEASE:
VARMINTING--Remington Plans 17-221 Fireball Factory Rifle: Remington has confirmed plans to release a factory varmint rifle chambered as a 17-221 Fireball. We have no firm dates for a product launch, but we expect the new rifles to be available in the first quarter of 2007. Currently, Remington offers just one 17-caliber chambering, the .17 Remington. That is available as a Model 700?,? BDL?,? or Model 700?,? LV SF. Given the efficiency of the Fireball case, we can expect a 17-221 to comfortably reach 4,000 fps with a 20-grainer, and Remington sources have hinted that a 4000-fps factory load will be offered. In 17 Mach IV wildcat form, shooters are reporting 3,850 fps with 25 grainers. From what we are told, the 17-221 will have a slightly longer neck than a 17 Mach IV. That means you won't be able to use Cooper Arms' loaded 17 Mach IV ammo. We haven't seen a blueprint of the new Remington brass yet, so we don't know if the shoulder is the same, with just a longer neck. Accordingly we're not sure whether the current 17 Mach IV full-length dies will work. But you should be able to neck-size the case with a Redding .221 Fireball Type-S die with smaller bushings. You'll find a lengthy discussion of the new 17-221 Fireball in this thread on Saubier.com.
For all of you .17 caliber fans, the best of the .17's will now be available from the factory!
NEWS RELEASE:
VARMINTING--Remington Plans 17-221 Fireball Factory Rifle: Remington has confirmed plans to release a factory varmint rifle chambered as a 17-221 Fireball. We have no firm dates for a product launch, but we expect the new rifles to be available in the first quarter of 2007. Currently, Remington offers just one 17-caliber chambering, the .17 Remington. That is available as a Model 700?,? BDL?,? or Model 700?,? LV SF. Given the efficiency of the Fireball case, we can expect a 17-221 to comfortably reach 4,000 fps with a 20-grainer, and Remington sources have hinted that a 4000-fps factory load will be offered. In 17 Mach IV wildcat form, shooters are reporting 3,850 fps with 25 grainers. From what we are told, the 17-221 will have a slightly longer neck than a 17 Mach IV. That means you won't be able to use Cooper Arms' loaded 17 Mach IV ammo. We haven't seen a blueprint of the new Remington brass yet, so we don't know if the shoulder is the same, with just a longer neck. Accordingly we're not sure whether the current 17 Mach IV full-length dies will work. But you should be able to neck-size the case with a Redding .221 Fireball Type-S die with smaller bushings. You'll find a lengthy discussion of the new 17-221 Fireball in this thread on Saubier.com.
Yes and it is a very accurate rifle/cartridge
I Did get to fire one of the prototypes at the recent sales meetinmg at our club.
The rifle had over 200 rounds fired and not cleaned and it still shot less than 1/2 inch groups at 100 yds.
I think it will be a winner,no recoil,less noise but a lot of accuracy for the money.
The brass appeared to be the 221 fireball necked down to .17 with a 30 deg shoulder.
also,fired the 300 ultra mag with level 3 ammo and thats a wallop to your shoulder.
Welcome to the GB forums! I've swapped some information with you over on Benchrest Central a couple of times a while back.
Thank you for the information about the shooting session.
Best.
My sincere apologies but I am looking out for your best interest for the long run...
Between the liberals, the owl watchers and the flipping Federal Gubment land closures, we all stand the distinct possibility of being charged and attacked, yes, overrun by those cute little furry prairie dogs every time we enter the field. They are breeding all out of proportion and then being protected by every little money grubbing group that can either file a law suit or capture the stilted thinking of the all of those bleeding hearts in the U.S.
You owe it to yourself, your children and even the Nation to be able to stand your ground and defend our freedoms from the hideous onslaught of the legions of prairie dogs and other vermin! The only solution is the addition of more hyper-accurate varmint rifles to our shooting batteries. These small capacity cases don't use much powder and the recoil is minimal so you can watch the hits and have very little if any loss of time in recovery to aid in getting onto your next shot faster.
Yes, I'll accept your thanks and then urge you on to the battlefields of the near west and western United States, fully equipped with your newest and bestest varmint rifles in order that you can make the greatest accounting of yourself in the battles that rage on every day. Don't build one, build two! This will allow one to cool while the other is seeing duty as our protector. Both rifles will have a longer and more productive life when used in this manner. And remember, it's not a job, it's an HONOR! I salute you!
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*lol* THAT'S FUNNY *lol*
And we re-opened a THREE-YEAR old thread because....?
A spammer tagged it (learn engrish here), bringing it back to life. That and the folks that don't notice post dates.
quote:Originally posted by Rocky Raab
And we re-opened a THREE-YEAR old thread because....?
A spammer tagged it (learn engrish here), bringing it back to life. That and the folks that don't notice post dates.
JustC now has eyes in the back of his head looking for spam, nothing more[:D]