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? about Reminton primers
Bubba Jr.
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I bought some Remington # 1 1/2 small pistol primers this week and today I loaded 50 rounds of 40 S&W using those primers. After I finished, I was entering the data in my log book. In my search for the batch number of the primers, I found the following notice in very small type on the side of the box.
"Do not use 1 1/2 small pistol primers in high intensity cartridges such as the 357 magnum, 357 Sig, and the 40 S&W. Damage to your firearm and/or serious injury may result."
Does anyone know the reason for this warning? My theory is that the primers went into the cases very easily, and that they may back out of the case while in the magazine and the gun is being fired. Or is there another defect in the design that causes them to be unsafe in the above cartridges?
Thanks
"Do not use 1 1/2 small pistol primers in high intensity cartridges such as the 357 magnum, 357 Sig, and the 40 S&W. Damage to your firearm and/or serious injury may result."
Does anyone know the reason for this warning? My theory is that the primers went into the cases very easily, and that they may back out of the case while in the magazine and the gun is being fired. Or is there another defect in the design that causes them to be unsafe in the above cartridges?
Thanks
Comments
I would think the primer cup is designed to be on the thin side and the pressure may be too great on the 357 mag/40s&w etc. . I for one would not shoot them unless they are on the LOW end of powder charge for that cartridge. Blown primers are not fun.
Unfortunately, I was loading them at the higher end of the spectrum. Do you know if the O.D. of the primer is a little smaller than say a Winchester. It seems the Winchester primers take more force to go into the primer pocket. I've noticed that the Federal primers are also very easy to seat.
You might want to practice dialing 911 with your tongue in case you suddenly find yourself without fingers.
Clearly, there have been problems serious enough for Remington to print that warning. They don't post such warnings on a whim. If you choose to ignore the warning and have an accident, you have no grounds for recourse.
You might want to practice dialing 911 with your tongue in case you suddenly find yourself without fingers.
Rocky, I have no intention of firing these rounds, I just wanted to know the reason for the warning. I'm new to reloading, but I'm not an idiot, and I don't appreciate your counterproductive condescending answer.
Can't win. Use the right word and I get jumped on; use the wrong one on purpose and I inadvertently insult.
I hope I helped answer your (correct use) question. No condescension intended.
I do apologize. I used the word "you" because when I use the more correct "one", some supercilious azzhats here say I'm being haughty (they'd say uppity because they don't know that haughty means - or supercilious).
Can't win. Use the right word and I get jumped on; use the wrong one on purpose and I inadvertently insult.
I hope I helped answer your (correct use) question. No condescension intended.
Rocky I accept your apology. I think you missed the point of my post or I didn't make the point very clear, which I've been known to do on occasion. I was only curious as to why the warning was given on these calibers, and what was the problem Remington was trying to avoid.
Earlier today I pulled the bullets on 20 of the rounds, and I intend to pull the rest as soon as I get the time. I had them loaded with 180 gr bullets and 6.8 gr. of SR4759 powder, for an expected fps. speed in the 950-975 range which would have had a healthy recoil. So if my assumption is correct, it could have led to the primers backing out while still in the magazine. But that's just using the SWAG (scientific wild assed guess) factor and not based on any firm data.
I'm going to suit up in protective gear and try to de-cap one of the cases and see if I can salvage the primers. If primers weren't so hard to find, I would just throw them away.
Cheers,
Joe
I always wondered why some primers were harder then others to seat [B)]
Never considered that the thickness could have something to do with it .
I ALWAYS have a hard time seating CCI brand primers for some reason .
I seat them with the bench mounted RCBS priming tool , and I like to use either Remington brand or Winchester .
I never bought any 1 1/2 's and now I know not to .
One other thing , I have taken primers out of cases that were found to be split or for some other reason , not usable , and reused them with no problems , like perry shooter said though , just be careful depriming them , and its always a good idea to have those glasses on .
after pulling the bullet and dumping the powder wear safety glasses and you should be Ok in depriming . HOWEVER I have never tried to reload primers once they have been seated.. I would hold out because I think reloading primers will start to catch up with demand in a few months If it was not for the need of paying Has-Mat fees I would send you some magnum primers. I bought out a gun shop years ago and Have what will most likely be a lifetime supply.
I really appreciate the offer of the magnum primers, but I just bought 1000 Federal magnums 2 weeks ago. I've been using them in lower power loads for my 40 S&W rounds, so when I got the Remington small pistol primers last week, I thought I was ready to load some higher pressure loads again. Wrong, that didn't work out so well, I'm just glad that I only loaded 50 rounds before I found the warning. I've got 40 of the suspect rounds pulled so far, and my hand is still sore from trying to keep the cap on my kinetic puller tight. I'll get the rest pulled in the next few days as I get time. BTW, my idea of protective gear was a full face shield, leather gloves, and ear muffs. [:)][:)]
Thin primer cups (designed for guns with light mainspring force) have to be paired with low-pressure loads to prevent blanking. Remington and Federal small pistol primers are among those with thin or soft cups. They are best used in revolver target loads or low-pressure semi-auto rounds like the 380.