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Remington 700 VTR
Sig220_Ruger77
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Interesting rifle that Remington has come out with. Stock looks similar to their SPS models and looks like a nice little rifle for the money. What do you guys think about the triangular barrel though?
http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/centerfire_rifles/model_700/model_700_vtr.asp
Jon
http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/centerfire_rifles/model_700/model_700_vtr.asp
Jon
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Is the gun worth $650?
While looking I looked at the XR-100 that's built on the XP-100 action, that's really intersting but then I like the single shots [:)].
Rick
I hope this answers some question out there about the 700 VTR's performance. I feel it will be a solid platform to accurately reach out to 500 plus yds. I do see a different stock for it in the near future. Any suggestions on a quality, comfortable stock?
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Federal and Black Hills both manufacture Match ammunition in .308 Win. When making velocity comparisons, be aware that your barrel will measure closer to 20" due to the ports than the standard 24" that most manufacturers test with.
Noise level will assuredly be increased because of placement and design of the ports. The same thing occurs when folks cut barrels to short lengths or add muzzle brakes to existing barrels. The noise has to go somewhere and usually it's back at the shooter. Good motivation to wear ear protection at all times.
Best.
handloading tailors the rounds to the rifle and is the best way to wring out every last bit the rifle is capable of.
That is why handloading is the best bet,...you can ALWAYS get a gun (with ni defects or damage) to shoot well with handloads. Plus it's fun and theraputic.[;)]
Plus it's fun and theraputic.[;)]
It's all fun and theraputic until someone pokes out a bad group...[:0][:D]
I can see shooting sub MOA a lot from bipods and a good rifle. It's true, the best way to get accuracy is to reload. I'm surprised to hear some gunwriters as of late start saying that with factory ammo these days reloading isn't necessary. David Petzal and Wayne Van Zwoll are the two I will quote. There are more. I'm not impressed with this plug to buy more factory ammo. Maybe, if factory ammo did a better job of getting maximum velocity and accuracy reloading might be...might be...done. but again that's why we reload. A rifle without defects can be made to shoot a lot better than factory. And in the case of a number of calibers shoot a lot faster, SAFELY.
The results are in for the new Remington 700 VTR .308 using Black Hills 168gr boat tail hollow point Winchester Match ammunition. 3/4 inch group at 100 yds. A series of four three shot groups were fired, all groups fired from a solid bench rest. I am not thoroughly impressed with the results myself. I obtained the same results from 150gr Federal Power-Shok ammunition from "Walmart." Simple deer hunting rounds performing the same as match grade ammo? I guess that leaves one simple choice to decide on, which one to buy. Black Hills is $23 a box plus shipping and "Walmart" Federal Power-Shok is $15 a box, hmm, hard choice there when they both perform the same. I guess I'll have to wait till I start reloading my own rounds to see a real jump in ammunition performance. I've seen others who reload use a simple Remington 700 achieve 1/4 inch groups repeatedly without a bench rest. Reloading is where the real accuracy is at. My lesson learned? Don't pay top dollar for mediocre performance when I can reload for much less and obtain precision accuracy.
Not every time but more so than not he would print a 1/4 inch group. What I meant when I said without a bench rest was in the prone with bi-pods. My interpretation of bench rest is a solid table with a rest bolted to it in which one places their weapon on for precision shooting. The point of the topic, Black Hills ammunition isn't as good as it claims to be. Yes its better than most, still not that great. Sorry for not being clear about the repeated 1/4 inch group.
That very same ammo will shoot differently in every gun you put it in. The Black Hills ammo may very well shoot better in another rifle. 3/4" groups with factory ammo is pretty good. If you want better than that, start handloading.
I would greatly appreciate knowing the brand, style of bullets, and powder used? What exact grain weight of powder was used with the 168gr BT to achieve this accuracy? What style, size, and brand of primer did you use? Did you have to adjust the head space between the bullet and rifling? If so how much spacing is required? What fps did your rounds consistently reach? Its great to know the 700 VTR can obtain an 1/8 MOA @ 100yds. Your help and loading information will save lots of time and trial money. I know there might be a small difference in harmonics between our rifles but this will give me a good start in the right direction if not be right on target. Thanks.
Your rifle is going to shoot differently than his. You will need to find what loads work best with your particular rifle...but 1/8" groups are phenomenal...even for a bench rest gun.
if someone can consistently get 1/4moa without a rest,..they need to get into competition cause they will soon break the world record. 1/4moa occasionaly I can see,..but every time with no rest???????
handloading tailors the rounds to the rifle and is the best way to wring out every last bit the rifle is capable of.
lol...+10000000000
Welcome to the forums...ranting and raving is what we do best[:D] Thanks also, for the VTR review. Let us know how your loading comes along with the new rifle.
From the looks of your groups I would say you have an outstandingly accurate rifle. If I may suggest, double and triple checking your scope parallax. I think you and that rifle are capable of whole groups the size of some of those 'doublers'.
greystone,
From the looks of your groups I would say you have an outstandingly accurate rifle. If I may suggest, double and triple checking your scope parallax. I think you and that rifle are capable of whole groups the size of some of those 'doublers'.
Thanks Sandwarrior I'll remember that but I think most of it is due to operator error. I had one 5 shot group with 35 Bergers where 4 went almost into one hole and one was off to the side. That irritated me. Towards the end of this summer my accuracy dropped off somewhat. I attribute that to copper fouling-I hope anyhow. I spent quite a bit of time getting the copper out and haven't been back to the range since. This is Minnesota and its cold. I'm definitely going to spend a little more time on my cleaning
I'm not a big supporter of factory ammunition for the most part but I do know how to conduct ammunition testing better than most. Factory Match ammunition like Black Hills and Federal Gold Medal Match has its place when establishing a benchmark at the start of a testing regimen. I know folks who compete and win with the Black Hills and FGMM ammunition so your comments strike me as being a little off.
Let's see. you shoot a total of twelve shot with the Black Hills ammunition and declare not only that you're not impressed but also that the ammunition as a whole is mediocre. You'll pardon me for being blunt but it seems to me that you don't have much experience in assessing ammunition, rifles or their accuracy potential. Twelve shots do not even come close to a warm up let alone being enough of an analysis to make statements such as you wrote.
To top this off, you claim that Federal Power-Shok performed the same. I guess we'll have to take for granted that you fired the same magic twelve shots to assess this ammunition as well? While it may have shot the same size groups as the Black Hills, it's still not a worthwhile test.
Obviously, you didn't bother to take into consideration that maybe the rifle likes the flat base, stubby, soft point with a cannelure as opposed to the longer ogive and boat tail of the Match hollow point. You see, some rifles at given velocities seem to perform better when there is a longer shank on a flat base bullet. They just don't seem to perform as well when loaded with the shorter shank, longer ogive, boat tail bullets. It's also possible that the chamber, leade and throat were cut so as to be better suited to the length and shape of the 150 gr. Power-Shok.
Your `results' are flawed and basically useless. You may think you learned something but the reality is that you didn't.
Good luck with your reloading.
Best.
If you're considering a NEW rifle, you'd be amiss if you didn't at least take a long, hard look at the Savage line-up!
FOR THE PRICE, Savage offers one of the better values out there! Out of the box accuracy is excellent, the accu-trigger is fantastic (once you get used to it). Sometimes not much to look at but they're a value that's hard to beat!
JMHO
Unless you just love to shoot.....
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I know you asked for an opinion concerning Remington models and I AM a dyed in the wool Remington fan BUT......
If you're considering a NEW rifle, you'd be amiss if you didn't at least take a long, hard look at the Savage line-up!
FOR THE PRICE, Savage offers one of the better values out there! Out of the box accuracy is excellent, the accu-trigger is fantastic (once you get used to it). Sometimes not much to look at but they're a value that's hard to beat!
JMHO
I concur with that statement. At this time I love to add my Savage saying: "They put all the money in the rifle where it needs to be...anything left over, they paid someone to make it look ugly." (except the model 14/114, they're kinda pretty)
I have had custom rifles not like match ammo and actually print cheap rem core-lokt better. It all depends on the gun itself and the way in which it was assembled. Just cause it says "match" on the box don't mean didly. I have seen this time and time again. Every gun has a harmonic node where it wants to operate,..and if the ammo can't produce that,..it doesn't matter if it cost $200/box,..it ain't gonna shoot.[8]
That is why handloading is the best bet,...you can ALWAYS get a gun (with ni defects or damage) to shoot well with handloads. Plus it's fun and theraputic.[;)]
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