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Remington 700 VTR

Sig220_Ruger77Sig220_Ruger77 Member Posts: 12,754 ✭✭✭
Interesting rifle that Remington has come out with. Stock looks similar to their SPS models and looks like a nice little rifle for the money. What do you guys think about the triangular barrel though?
http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/centerfire_rifles/model_700/model_700_vtr.asp

Jon

Comments

  • printer88printer88 Member Posts: 1 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I'm a newbie, but I like the triangular barrel.
    Is the gun worth $650?
  • JustCJustC Member Posts: 16,056 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I'd ditch the flimsy stock, and I'm not sold on the ports, but it's a rem700 so no doubt it shoots.
  • cbrickcbrick Member Posts: 4 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    hhmmm . . . Interesting, first time I've seen it. It's different, they said the triangular barrel was more rigid, I wonder. It would take some weight off.

    While looking I looked at the XR-100 that's built on the XP-100 action, that's really intersting but then I like the single shots [:)].

    Rick
  • .308vtr600yds.308vtr600yds Member Posts: 5 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I recently purchased a Remington 700 VTR in .308 cal. I'm moderately pleased so far with its performance and quality. The stock could have used more attention as well as the overall finish but I guess its not bad for the money. The best average group achieved at 100yds was .742 MOA. Two rounds were fired before attempting groups to warm barrel, all other shots were fired with a hot barrel. I fired four, three shot groups from each ammo manufacturer from the prone position using bi-pods. A Nikon Monarch 4-16x42SF BDC scope was used. Ammo fired was Winchester power point, Remington express core-lokt, Federal power-shok, and Hornady.btsp. All ammo was 150gr and all are simple factory hunting grade rounds. The range used is level, no tall grass to deflect rounds, wind was 2-4mph at half value. I hope to find some decent match grade ammo to increase performance. Any suggestions out there for quality match grade ammo? I know reloading would be the best route to go but that's not an option right now. I will bench rest the match grade rounds seeing the VTR's real potential.

    I hope this answers some question out there about the 700 VTR's performance. I feel it will be a solid platform to accurately reach out to 500 plus yds. I do see a different stock for it in the near future. Any suggestions on a quality, comfortable stock?
  • .308vtr600yds.308vtr600yds Member Posts: 5 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I forgot to mention which factory ammo load did the best through the Rem. 700 VTR. The Federal Power-Shok held the tightest group on average. One other item I failed to mention was the ported barrel. It does reduce recoil but only by about 1/3, its enough reduction that one could shoot all day and not be bruised. The ported barrel my reduce recoil but it increases the amount of dp your getting.
  • nononsensenononsense Member Posts: 10,928 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    .308vtr600yds,

    Welcome to the GB forums!

    Federal and Black Hills both manufacture Match ammunition in .308 Win. When making velocity comparisons, be aware that your barrel will measure closer to 20" due to the ports than the standard 24" that most manufacturers test with.

    Noise level will assuredly be increased because of placement and design of the ports. The same thing occurs when folks cut barrels to short lengths or add muzzle brakes to existing barrels. The noise has to go somewhere and usually it's back at the shooter. Good motivation to wear ear protection at all times.

    Best.
  • .308vtr600yds.308vtr600yds Member Posts: 5 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    The results are in for the new Remington 700 VTR .308 using Black Hills 168gr boat tail hollow point Winchester Match ammunition. 3/4 inch group at 100 yds. A series of four three shot groups were fired, all groups fired from a solid bench rest. I am not thoroughly impressed with the results myself. I obtained the same results from 150gr Federal Power-Shok ammunition from "Walmart." Simple deer hunting rounds performing the same as match grade ammo? I guess that leaves one simple choice to decide on, which one to buy. Black Hills is $23 a box plus shipping and "Walmart" Federal Power-Shok is $15 a box, hmm, hard choice there when they both perform the same. I guess I'll have to wait till I start reloading my own rounds to see a real jump in ammunition performance. I've seen others who reload use a simple Remington 700 achieve 1/4 inch groups repeatedly without a bench rest. Reloading is where the real accuracy is at. My lesson learned? Don't pay top dollar for mediocre performance when I can reload for much less and obtain precision accuracy.
  • JustCJustC Member Posts: 16,056 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    if someone can consistently get 1/4moa without a rest,..they need to get into competition cause they will soon break the world record. 1/4moa occasionaly I can see,..but every time with no rest???????

    handloading tailors the rounds to the rifle and is the best way to wring out every last bit the rifle is capable of.
  • .308vtr600yds.308vtr600yds Member Posts: 5 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Not every time but more so than not he would print a 1/4 inch group. What I meant when I said without a bench rest was in the prone with bi-pods. My interpretation of bench rest is a solid table with a rest bolted to it in which one places their weapon on for precision shooting. The point of the topic, Black Hills ammunition isn't as good as it claims to be. Yes its better than most, still not that great. Sorry for not being clear about the repeated 1/4 inch group.
  • JustCJustC Member Posts: 16,056 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have had custom rifles not like match ammo and actually print cheap rem core-lokt better. It all depends on the gun itself and the way in which it was assembled. Just cause it says "match" on the box don't mean didly. I have seen this time and time again. Every gun has a harmonic node where it wants to operate,..and if the ammo can't produce that,..it doesn't matter if it cost $200/box,..it ain't gonna shoot.[8]

    That is why handloading is the best bet,...you can ALWAYS get a gun (with ni defects or damage) to shoot well with handloads. Plus it's fun and theraputic.[;)]
  • sandwarriorsandwarrior Member Posts: 5,453 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by JustC
    Plus it's fun and theraputic.[;)]


    It's all fun and theraputic until someone pokes out a bad group...[:0][:D]

    I can see shooting sub MOA a lot from bipods and a good rifle. It's true, the best way to get accuracy is to reload. I'm surprised to hear some gunwriters as of late start saying that with factory ammo these days reloading isn't necessary. David Petzal and Wayne Van Zwoll are the two I will quote. There are more. I'm not impressed with this plug to buy more factory ammo. Maybe, if factory ammo did a better job of getting maximum velocity and accuracy reloading might be...might be...done. but again that's why we reload. A rifle without defects can be made to shoot a lot better than factory. And in the case of a number of calibers shoot a lot faster, SAFELY.
  • buckmaster17buckmaster17 Member Posts: 3 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by .308vtr600yds
    The results are in for the new Remington 700 VTR .308 using Black Hills 168gr boat tail hollow point Winchester Match ammunition. 3/4 inch group at 100 yds. A series of four three shot groups were fired, all groups fired from a solid bench rest. I am not thoroughly impressed with the results myself. I obtained the same results from 150gr Federal Power-Shok ammunition from "Walmart." Simple deer hunting rounds performing the same as match grade ammo? I guess that leaves one simple choice to decide on, which one to buy. Black Hills is $23 a box plus shipping and "Walmart" Federal Power-Shok is $15 a box, hmm, hard choice there when they both perform the same. I guess I'll have to wait till I start reloading my own rounds to see a real jump in ammunition performance. I've seen others who reload use a simple Remington 700 achieve 1/4 inch groups repeatedly without a bench rest. Reloading is where the real accuracy is at. My lesson learned? Don't pay top dollar for mediocre performance when I can reload for much less and obtain precision accuracy.
  • buckmaster17buckmaster17 Member Posts: 3 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I bought my 700 VTR and am loading my own ammo with 168 grain Hollow point Boat tail match and I'm acheiving on average depending on the temperature and what not 1/4 inch groups @ 200 yards and I have been able to make confident shots out to 700 yards with this gun and custome loaded ammo by myself. I also removed the stock and used a dremel and removed the lips where the barrel is touching the stock to make it a floating barrell all the way up to the recoil lug. This made alittle difference and also played around with the trigger mechanism. One thing I'll say is if you want the type of performance you say you want you'll never get it out of factory loaded ammunition. The tolerances are not tight enough. But when I use the gun for hunting I load 165 grain Boat tail soft points for Deer, Bear and Moose. Then I use 110 V-Max by Hornady for Coyotes and other small varmits. If you have any other questions e-mail me.
  • .308vtr600yds.308vtr600yds Member Posts: 5 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I would greatly appreciate knowing the brand, style of bullets, and powder used? What exact grain weight of powder was used with the 168gr BT to achieve this accuracy? What style, size, and brand of primer did you use? Did you have to adjust the head space between the bullet and rifling? If so how much spacing is required? What fps did your rounds consistently reach? Its great to know the 700 VTR can obtain an 1/8 MOA @ 100yds. Your help and loading information will save lots of time and trial money. I know there might be a small difference in harmonics between our rifles but this will give me a good start in the right direction if not be right on target. Thanks.
  • konamtbikerkonamtbiker Member Posts: 284 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I like that barrel.
  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by .308vtr600yds
    Not every time but more so than not he would print a 1/4 inch group. What I meant when I said without a bench rest was in the prone with bi-pods. My interpretation of bench rest is a solid table with a rest bolted to it in which one places their weapon on for precision shooting. The point of the topic, Black Hills ammunition isn't as good as it claims to be. Yes its better than most, still not that great. Sorry for not being clear about the repeated 1/4 inch group.


    That very same ammo will shoot differently in every gun you put it in. The Black Hills ammo may very well shoot better in another rifle. 3/4" groups with factory ammo is pretty good. If you want better than that, start handloading.
  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by .308vtr600yds
    I would greatly appreciate knowing the brand, style of bullets, and powder used? What exact grain weight of powder was used with the 168gr BT to achieve this accuracy? What style, size, and brand of primer did you use? Did you have to adjust the head space between the bullet and rifling? If so how much spacing is required? What fps did your rounds consistently reach? Its great to know the 700 VTR can obtain an 1/8 MOA @ 100yds. Your help and loading information will save lots of time and trial money. I know there might be a small difference in harmonics between our rifles but this will give me a good start in the right direction if not be right on target. Thanks.


    Your rifle is going to shoot differently than his. You will need to find what loads work best with your particular rifle...but 1/8" groups are phenomenal...even for a bench rest gun.
  • Remington1981Remington1981 Member Posts: 1,431 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by JustC
    if someone can consistently get 1/4moa without a rest,..they need to get into competition cause they will soon break the world record. 1/4moa occasionaly I can see,..but every time with no rest???????

    handloading tailors the rounds to the rifle and is the best way to wring out every last bit the rifle is capable of.

    lol...+10000000000
  • rcannonrcannon Member Posts: 1 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I've done quite a bit of research on this weapon and just recently purchased one. I would like to reply to a few of the remarks in this forum by saying that some of you are expecting way to much from this weapon remember it is not a custom built tac driver that would actualy cost four or five times the amount you will pay for this one and then add a scope worthy of a weapon like that and you'll drop another 1000-1500 dollars. Then you will have to spend countless hours dialing in a specific hand load to get your sub 1/2" mao. Some may be confused by the word tacticle in the name, a tacticle shooter is looking to place a round in a vital area, i.e. a bullseye, a head shot or center mass chest area, all of witch are more than likely to get the job done. What the vtr is, is a very good multi-perpus weapon that will deliver exceptional accuracy for the money you pay for it. If you want to read a very good review on this weapon google remington 700 vtr and read the one at gunblast.com, then try and find the one snipercentral did that was the biggest hack job I have ever seen. It was done in terible weather conditions, and the guy that wrote it was so bitter you'd swear he hates his job. I'll get off my soap box for now. but remember the weapon is only as good as the person squeezing the trigger. As with anything practice, practice practice... and thanks for letting me rant and rave here.
  • sandwarriorsandwarrior Member Posts: 5,453 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    rcannon,

    Welcome to the forums...ranting and raving is what we do best[:D] Thanks also, for the VTR review. Let us know how your loading comes along with the new rifle.
  • greystonegreystone Member Posts: 194 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have a 700 VTR in 204 and so far I'm pleased with the accuracy. I'm going to get serious about doing some load development for it next summer. Here's a couple of 5 shot groups using the cheap Midway dogtowwns. They look like 3 or 4 shot groups but thers five shots there
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  • sandwarriorsandwarrior Member Posts: 5,453 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    greystone,

    From the looks of your groups I would say you have an outstandingly accurate rifle. If I may suggest, double and triple checking your scope parallax. I think you and that rifle are capable of whole groups the size of some of those 'doublers'.
  • greystonegreystone Member Posts: 194 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by sandwarrior
    greystone,

    From the looks of your groups I would say you have an outstandingly accurate rifle. If I may suggest, double and triple checking your scope parallax. I think you and that rifle are capable of whole groups the size of some of those 'doublers'.

    Thanks Sandwarrior I'll remember that but I think most of it is due to operator error. I had one 5 shot group with 35 Bergers where 4 went almost into one hole and one was off to the side. That irritated me. Towards the end of this summer my accuracy dropped off somewhat. I attribute that to copper fouling-I hope anyhow. I spent quite a bit of time getting the copper out and haven't been back to the range since. This is Minnesota and its cold. I'm definitely going to spend a little more time on my cleaning
  • nononsensenononsense Member Posts: 10,928 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    .308vtr600yds,

    I'm not a big supporter of factory ammunition for the most part but I do know how to conduct ammunition testing better than most. Factory Match ammunition like Black Hills and Federal Gold Medal Match has its place when establishing a benchmark at the start of a testing regimen. I know folks who compete and win with the Black Hills and FGMM ammunition so your comments strike me as being a little off.

    Let's see. you shoot a total of twelve shot with the Black Hills ammunition and declare not only that you're not impressed but also that the ammunition as a whole is mediocre. You'll pardon me for being blunt but it seems to me that you don't have much experience in assessing ammunition, rifles or their accuracy potential. Twelve shots do not even come close to a warm up let alone being enough of an analysis to make statements such as you wrote.

    To top this off, you claim that Federal Power-Shok performed the same. I guess we'll have to take for granted that you fired the same magic twelve shots to assess this ammunition as well? While it may have shot the same size groups as the Black Hills, it's still not a worthwhile test.

    Obviously, you didn't bother to take into consideration that maybe the rifle likes the flat base, stubby, soft point with a cannelure as opposed to the longer ogive and boat tail of the Match hollow point. You see, some rifles at given velocities seem to perform better when there is a longer shank on a flat base bullet. They just don't seem to perform as well when loaded with the shorter shank, longer ogive, boat tail bullets. It's also possible that the chamber, leade and throat were cut so as to be better suited to the length and shape of the 150 gr. Power-Shok.

    Your `results' are flawed and basically useless. You may think you learned something but the reality is that you didn't.

    Good luck with your reloading.

    Best.
  • benfishinbenfishin Member Posts: 27 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I don't claim to be a great shot and I am learning to reload, but I feel like if I start out with an accurate rifle, then I will be ahead in the long run. Does anyone have an opinion which of the following rifles are the most accurate? The mosel 700 VTR, XCR or the SPS? I understand that finding the correct ammunition for the individual rifle will make the difference, but an "out of the box" .308. I actually bought a VTR, but when I read the reviews, they didn't achieve any subminute groups. I'm thinking about trading. Thanks for your patience.
  • wanted manwanted man Member Posts: 3,276
    edited November -1
    I know you asked for an opinion concerning Remington models and I AM a dyed in the wool Remington fan BUT......
    If you're considering a NEW rifle, you'd be amiss if you didn't at least take a long, hard look at the Savage line-up!
    FOR THE PRICE, Savage offers one of the better values out there! Out of the box accuracy is excellent, the accu-trigger is fantastic (once you get used to it). Sometimes not much to look at but they're a value that's hard to beat!

    JMHO
  • Rifleman34Rifleman34 Member Posts: 8 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Have not yet tested the new 700 VTR,Though testing for accuracy must be done from a solid platform to get the most out a rifle and your self.
    Unless you just love to shoot.....
  • nononsensenononsense Member Posts: 10,928 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    jimmyw2468,

    Welcome to the Gunbroker Forums!

    Please take a minute to read the Posting Guidelines in the link found under the Gunbroker logo at the top of each page.

    Offers to buy, sell or trade are not allowed on the forums since we are supported entirely by the Auction side.

    Best.
  • sandwarriorsandwarrior Member Posts: 5,453 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by wanted man
    I know you asked for an opinion concerning Remington models and I AM a dyed in the wool Remington fan BUT......
    If you're considering a NEW rifle, you'd be amiss if you didn't at least take a long, hard look at the Savage line-up!
    FOR THE PRICE, Savage offers one of the better values out there! Out of the box accuracy is excellent, the accu-trigger is fantastic (once you get used to it). Sometimes not much to look at but they're a value that's hard to beat!

    JMHO


    I concur with that statement. At this time I love to add my Savage saying: "They put all the money in the rifle where it needs to be...anything left over, they paid someone to make it look ugly." (except the model 14/114, they're kinda pretty)
  • jrockflimflamjrockflimflam Member Posts: 1 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Glad I found this post. I have been considering the 700VTR in .204 but didn't know anyone that had experimented with it. Custom hand loads is the only way to go. How fast does the triangle barrel heat up? I'm not sure would have better cooling'onomics, a triangle or flutted round barrel????
  • FrancFFrancF Member Posts: 35,279 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by JustC
    I have had custom rifles not like match ammo and actually print cheap rem core-lokt better. It all depends on the gun itself and the way in which it was assembled. Just cause it says "match" on the box don't mean didly. I have seen this time and time again. Every gun has a harmonic node where it wants to operate,..and if the ammo can't produce that,..it doesn't matter if it cost $200/box,..it ain't gonna shoot.[8]

    That is why handloading is the best bet,...you can ALWAYS get a gun (with ni defects or damage) to shoot well with handloads. Plus it's fun and theraputic.[;)]


    +1000[^]
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