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Speer Load Data?
asphalt cowboy
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Has anybody got a Speer manual with load data for their 38/357 shot capsules?
I'm hoping they have a load listed for H4227.
I'm hoping they have a load listed for H4227.
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We have been using 5.3g of Unique for many years (the back of the shot shell capsule box shows 5.5g). I agree with Rocky. 4227 is not the correct powder.
So the load data is on the box? I've read reviews on midway, and a couple complained that data wasn't on the package. Everywhere I searched online I found reference to Bullseye and nothing else, but Unique I can do. I still have some left from pattern testing my shotgun.
What I'm looking at is the cost of the capsules plus a pound of powder only to use a small portion of the powder. My paychecks only go so far.
First, it is possible that they no longer print the data on the box. Mine is old enough to have a sale price of $1.37 !!
Second, it is a mistake to load these things hot. The faster you launch them, the worse your patterns will be. Slower and from a shorter barrel is best because both minimize the amount that the capsule will spin up. Spin makes for "doughnut" patterns that put the hole right where you're aiming!
I use 4.0 Unique or Universal in 38 Special cases and seat the capsules to an overall length of 1.5" I use #9 shot in mine, and the finer the better. No larger than 7 1/2 or you once again have "holey" patterns.
The one point that I disagree with in their instructions is about crimp. They recommend a firm crimp on the capsule, but that just cuts it, IME. I use no crimp or flare, and run a TINY bead of superglue around the case mouth to lock the capsule in instead of a damaging crimp. Works perfectly for me, even if I load several shotloads in the cylinder.
Yeah, I read several places about the velocity vs pattern problems with them. And thank greatly for the super glue tip, that ought to save me a little frustration.
I had a customer ask to try some in his 44 a while back. He shot about 15=16 and brought a few loaded rounds back saying they weren't any good. Apparently, he had tried them by shooting a pop can at 25 yards. Some people just don't get it.
You'll get one inch of pattern spread for every FOOT of range. Ten feet away, it will be ten inches wide - and beginning to get enough holes in it to let a small pest get away.
Powder Wt. (Grs.)
630 9.0 (with CCI Magnum primer)
UNIQUE 5.5
231 5.0
BULLSEYE 4.5
700X 4.5
HP38 4.5
Mobuck, that guy sounds like my brother.
I don't know where he got the idea, but he seemed to think my 3" #4 buck loads would be effective at 120 yards.
I could have done several more set-ups that night. But no, I had to kill half the night tracking down a wounded son dog.