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seating die shearing brass

nemesisenforcernemesisenforcer Member Posts: 10,513 ✭✭✭
my 44 special/magnum seating die "shears" my cases a little when I seat a bullet with a cannelure and crimp the bullet.

Nothing dramatic, but on just about every case there are brass "strings" or "threads" on the case mouth and on the bullet when I take it out of the die.

I've tried adjusting the die height and seating plug depth up and down and all around. I even tried holding my mouth different ways.

I use Lee brand dies.

am I doing something wrong?

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  • shoff14shoff14 Member Posts: 11,994 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I had this happening, or something similar on my 9mm die. I finally figured out what was happening. For some reason it would seem the roll crimp will get a build up of brass on it after a while. So I took the die completely apart. Soaked it in some solution and then clean off with alcohol. Works like it did when I first started.
  • nemesisenforcernemesisenforcer Member Posts: 10,513 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by shoff14
    I had this happening, or something similar on my 9mm die. I finally figured out what was happening. For some reason it would seem the roll crimp will get a build up of brass on it after a while. So I took the die completely apart. Soaked it in some solution and then clean off with alcohol. Works like it did when I first started.


    what solution did you use to clean it?
  • reloader44magreloader44mag Member Posts: 18,783 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by nemesisenforcer
    quote:Originally posted by shoff14
    I had this happening, or something similar on my 9mm die. I finally figured out what was happening. For some reason it would seem the roll crimp will get a build up of brass on it after a while. So I took the die completely apart. Soaked it in some solution and then clean off with alcohol. Works like it did when I first started.


    what solution did you use to clean it?
    I just use a q-tip soaked in some hoppes and clean the inside of the die with it
  • shoff14shoff14 Member Posts: 11,994 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by nemesisenforcer
    quote:Originally posted by shoff14
    I had this happening, or something similar on my 9mm die. I finally figured out what was happening. For some reason it would seem the roll crimp will get a build up of brass on it after a while. So I took the die completely apart. Soaked it in some solution and then clean off with alcohol. Works like it did when I first started.


    what solution did you use to clean it?


    I think I soaked it in CLP, just because that is what I had on hand at the time. I am sure you could use mineral spirits or anything similar. I also cleaned the inside by scrubbing also, probably with a soft cleaning brush or something like that.
  • reloader44magreloader44mag Member Posts: 18,783 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by nemesisenforcer
    my 44 special/magnum seating die "shears" my cases a little when I seat a bullet with a cannelure and crimp the bullet.

    Nothing dramatic, but on just about every case there are brass "strings" or "threads" on the case mouth and on the bullet when I take it out of the die.

    I've tried adjusting the die height and seating plug depth up and down and all around. I even tried holding my mouth different ways.

    I use Lee brand dies.

    am I doing something wrong?


    One thing that can help "cause" your problem is over belling the cases...try to bell the case as little as possible and still have the bullet be able to rest at the case mouth before seating...my 2 cents ..reloader44mag
  • nemesisenforcernemesisenforcer Member Posts: 10,513 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by reloader44mag
    quote:Originally posted by nemesisenforcer
    my 44 special/magnum seating die "shears" my cases a little when I seat a bullet with a cannelure and crimp the bullet.

    Nothing dramatic, but on just about every case there are brass "strings" or "threads" on the case mouth and on the bullet when I take it out of the die.

    I've tried adjusting the die height and seating plug depth up and down and all around. I even tried holding my mouth different ways.

    I use Lee brand dies.

    am I doing something wrong?


    One thing that can help "cause" your problem is over belling the cases...try to bell the case as little as possible and still have the bullet be able to rest at the case mouth before seating...my 2 cents ..reloader44mag


    I've backed out the expander die already. Maybe I'll try some more.
  • reloader44magreloader44mag Member Posts: 18,783 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by nemesisenforcer
    quote:Originally posted by reloader44mag
    quote:Originally posted by nemesisenforcer
    my 44 special/magnum seating die "shears" my cases a little when I seat a bullet with a cannelure and crimp the bullet.

    Nothing dramatic, but on just about every case there are brass "strings" or "threads" on the case mouth and on the bullet when I take it out of the die.

    I've tried adjusting the die height and seating plug depth up and down and all around. I even tried holding my mouth different ways.

    I use Lee brand dies.

    am I doing something wrong?


    One thing that can help "cause" your problem is over belling the cases...try to bell the case as little as possible and still have the bullet be able to rest at the case mouth before seating...my 2 cents ..reloader44mag


    I've backed out the expander die already. Maybe I'll try some more.
    It may not be the problem, are you loading jacketed or lead
  • nemesisenforcernemesisenforcer Member Posts: 10,513 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by reloader44mag
    quote:Originally posted by nemesisenforcer
    quote:Originally posted by reloader44mag
    quote:Originally posted by nemesisenforcer
    my 44 special/magnum seating die "shears" my cases a little when I seat a bullet with a cannelure and crimp the bullet.

    Nothing dramatic, but on just about every case there are brass "strings" or "threads" on the case mouth and on the bullet when I take it out of the die.

    I've tried adjusting the die height and seating plug depth up and down and all around. I even tried holding my mouth different ways.

    I use Lee brand dies.

    am I doing something wrong?


    One thing that can help "cause" your problem is over belling the cases...try to bell the case as little as possible and still have the bullet be able to rest at the case mouth before seating...my 2 cents ..reloader44mag


    I've backed out the expander die already. Maybe I'll try some more.
    It may not be the problem, are you loading jacketed or lead


    jacketed.
  • reloader44magreloader44mag Member Posts: 18,783 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I dont know how much you are belling obviously, but I bell my cases the very least I can to still have the bullet seat without caausing case problems...best I can do for ya.
  • bigboredavebigboredave Member Posts: 1 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    What Reloader 44 said, belling too much.
  • Bubba Jr.Bubba Jr. Member Posts: 8,304 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    As you may or may not remember, I had issues with my Lee dies in 9mm, .40, and .44 Mag. The FCD would shave off bits of the case mouth and deposit the crud on the mouth. The problem was with the lousy job they did when cutting the mouth of the FCD sleeve.

    If you are not using a FCD, you may be having similar problems with the seating die. Take it apart and look at it under magnification. Look for a threaded like surface instead of a smooth surface where the die makes contact with the outer surface of the case mouth.
  • nemesisenforcernemesisenforcer Member Posts: 10,513 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Bubba Jr.
    As you may or may not remember, I had issues with my Lee dies in 9mm, .40, and .44 Mag. The FCD would shave off bits of the case mouth and deposit the crud on the mouth. The problem was with the lousy job they did when cutting the mouth of the FCD sleeve.

    If you are not using a FCD, you may be having similar problems with the seating die. Take it apart and look at it under magnification. Look for a threaded like surface instead of a smooth surface where the die makes contact with the outer surface of the case mouth.


    FCD?
  • Bubba Jr.Bubba Jr. Member Posts: 8,304 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Sorry, Factory Crimp Die.[:I]
  • nemesisenforcernemesisenforcer Member Posts: 10,513 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Bubba Jr.
    Sorry, Factory Crimp Die.[:I]


    got it.
  • MIKE WISKEYMIKE WISKEY Member Posts: 10,036 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    YOU SHOULD ALSO CHAMFER YOUR CASES BOTH INSIDE (LESS BELLING) AND OUT SIDE (EASYER CRIMPING.
  • e8gme8gm Member Posts: 1,277 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Try seating and crimping in two operations. Don't try to seat and crimp at the same time.
  • pietro75pietro75 Member Posts: 7,048
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by bigboredave
    What Reloader 44 said, belling too much.


    +2 I also expand the shell just enough to get the bullet in w/o problems.
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