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Which Reloader Powder to USE

dowebdoweb Member Posts: 5 ✭✭
edited February 2010 in Perry Shooter Competition Shooting and Reloading Forum
I am looking for suggestions as to which reloader powder to use in my 257 STW to obtain 4000fps. I guess I need a hotter powder or a least a powder that will increase the velocity more than just increaseing the amount of powder. Any suggestions would be helpfull. Thanks in advance!!!!
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  • nononsensenononsense Member Posts: 10,928 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    doweb,

    You might want to tell us how long the barrel is and what bullets you're asking about.

    Best.
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  • dcs shootersdcs shooters Member Posts: 10,870 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    You are going have to use a slow burning powder like H-414, or Reloader-19, in that area.
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  • dowebdoweb Member Posts: 5 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by nononsense
    doweb,

    You might want to tell us how long the barrel is and what bullets you're asking about.

    Best.




    The gun is not built yet, what do you suggest?
    I was thinking 28 or 29 based upon some of the information I have seen. Someone suggested that Hodgen Remundo would be the best to use. What do you think.
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  • 5mmgunguy5mmgunguy Member Posts: 3,092 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    doweb...what bullet weight...if you are going to achieve 4000 fps the bullet will probably not weight more the 75 grains. According to my ballistic calculator nothing pushes a 100 grain 25 caliber bullet that fast.
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  • Rocky RaabRocky Raab Member Posts: 14,438 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    It sounds like you are picking the largest case and then picking a velocity number out of the air simply to have bragging rights.

    Your testosterone is exceeding your intellect. It can't be done safely - and would serve no purpose if it could.
    I may be a bit crazy - but I didn't drive myself.
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  • dowebdoweb Member Posts: 5 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Originally posted by 5mmgunguy
    doweb...what bullet weight...if you are going to achieve 4000 fps the bullet will probably not weight more the 75 grains. According to my ballistic calculator nothing pushes a 100 grain 25 caliber bullet that fast.

    Again the gun is still not built yet. Therefore I am looking for information and suggestions. I was planning on shooting a 100 grain Barnes Triple Shock. I have seen video and testimonial of people shooting deet at 400 yards and dropping them in their tracks with this load. They claim they are hold dead on at 400 yards and the bullet is cranking on at 4080 through a chronograph that is 6 feet in front of the barrel when fired.
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  • dowebdoweb Member Posts: 5 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Originally posted by Rocky Raab
    It sounds like you are picking the largest case and then picking a velocity number out of the air simply to have bragging rights.

    Your testosterone is exceeding your intellect. It can't be done safely - and would serve no purpose if it could.


    Please do not call into question my integrity. You certainly do not know me! I was simply asking a question and requesting information. I do not want or need bragging rights and after two cancer surgeries I have not need for testosterone. I understand that in your opinion, "it can't be done safely - and would serve no purpose if you could." I have done a little reasearch, certain not nearly enough, but numerous individuals that shoot a 257 STW make the claim that they are acheiving velocities in the 4000 fps range. Also I have seen several videos of what happens to South Texas bucks that have been shot with this round supposedly using a 100 grain Barns Triple Shock bullet through a 28 and/or 29 inch barrel. If it is truley your opinion that this absolutely can not be done safely, then please feel free to state as such, but do not attack my motives or integrity. Eagerly awaiting your apology!!!!!!!!!!
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  • Rocky RaabRocky Raab Member Posts: 14,438 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    It STILL sounds to me like you are trying for the biggest baddest gun on the block for bragging rights. It's my opinion and I'll stick with it without apology.

    If your experts are already doing this, why ask us?
    I may be a bit crazy - but I didn't drive myself.
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  • zimmdenzimmden Member Posts: 237 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    No one in their right mind will give you reloading advise that approaches these dangerous levels of pressure and speed. Powder and bullet manufactures publish safe loads for modern high quality rifles. Without knowing precisely what your background, skill level and ability with good reloading equipment is, and the quality of rifle in use, you will not get answers to your question. We are looking out for your safety.
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  • JustCJustC Member Posts: 16,056 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I'll reserve comment on the 4000fps thing.

    The powder for that case will be something like

    H1000
    Retumbo
    US869
    H870
    RL25
    N170
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  • nononsensenononsense Member Posts: 10,928 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Alright, alright, let's not all get our shorts in a bunch!

    The man asked a simple question and we asked for more information. In actuality, this is merely the .257 Ferguson Hot Tamale which has been discussed here and on Ask the Experts previously.

    I quote for the most prominent article I know of:

    "After years of experimenting, gunsmith James Ferguson of Wharton, Texas, has actually achieved the formidable muzzle velocity of 4,000-plus fps in a caliber that will tantalize the imaginations of those who relish ultra-flat bullet trajectory -- especially the .25-caliber aficionados. Ferguson has necked the 7mm STW case down to .257 caliber and, with a 100-grain bullet ahead of a specified load of Reloader 25, he's managed to break the 4,000-fps barrier without exceeding safe pressure parameters."

    So doweb, your answer right from the man who 'invented' this cartridge, your powder of choice should be Reloder 25. I think that there are others that will work a little better but I like Reloder 25 for large capacity, small caliber cartridges.

    Here is the article:

    http://www.2joutfitters.com/STWrifle.htm

    Best.
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  • rsnyder55rsnyder55 Member Posts: 2,526 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    FWIW

    I read a similar article about the Hot Tamale 257 and someone who had bought the rifle or the same specs which had a 28" barrel. The velocity was claimed based on the points of impact at 300 and 500 yds. When it was actually chronographed, it was closer to 3800 - 3900 fps.
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  • dakotashooter2dakotashooter2 Member Posts: 6,186
    edited November -1
    I'm just currious as to why !!!!!!!!!! I can kill a 200+ pound buck here in ND with a 25 cal.at 2800 or 2900 fps. Why do you need 4000 fps for one of those little 125# Texas bucks? Just askin. And at what ranges have you seen the results of such a load. I have no experience with that bullet but generally bullets that are designed to hold together at those velocities do fine a longer ranges but poorly close up.
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  • JustCJustC Member Posts: 16,056 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    a TSX would be my choice at 4000fps
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