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joshmb1982
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#1 i posted a bit ago about some of my 223 reloads not chambering properly. turns out i didn't have the resizing die set down far enough to push the shoulder back into place. Ive since corrected the problem on all my cases i haven't loaded yet but i have ~40rds loaded. ive tried pulling them with a kinetic puller and it is a royal pain in the fanny. can i simply pull the center portion out of the resizing die and run a loaded round through it to push the shoulder back?? im gonna guess not but cant hurt to check.
#2 i recently started loading 9mm(luger). in the brass i have i found 1 case with 9x17 on the head-stamp. if theres others i missed that are mixed in with the 9mm cases, will they cause a problem loading them up and shooting them in a fnp-9?
#2 i recently started loading 9mm(luger). in the brass i have i found 1 case with 9x17 on the head-stamp. if theres others i missed that are mixed in with the 9mm cases, will they cause a problem loading them up and shooting them in a fnp-9?
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To question #1; NO for various reasons, among them--never a good idea to mess around with a cartridge in a chamber (the die) other than your rifle.
didnt even think of that point. [B)]
The truth is what Handload said. Since the neck expanded with the insertion of the bullet, you can not reinsert the case with bullet back into the sizer. Even if you could get it to scrunch down it would resize the back of the bullet so bad it wouldn't shoot right.
Secondly, as Ambrose stated you would then have a live bullet stuffed in your sizer and getting it out could be what's really dangerous.
Continue to whack away, one by one, at the bullets that need to be pulled. It takes just about as much time and money to safely destroy those rounds.
Edit:
If you are not wanting to spend the time you can put the rounds in your press without a die. Push the round above the press boss and grab the bullet with either pliers or dykes. Pull down with the press handle and hold the bullet to separate the two. You'll ruin the bullet. But, pulled bullets don't always show the best accuracy anyways.
That method actually causes very little damage to the bullet. Accuracy hardly suffers at all. I suspect that the forces of firing instantly reshape any minor dents in the bullet, anyway.
The major problem with the pliers method is that you can accidentally deform the top thread or two in the press. If you do, you can fix it by threading a die in FROM BELOW. Put a dab of grease or oil on the damaged thread and the die will re-shape that last thread perfectly.
When using the pliers technique, hold the pliers VERTICAL (handles up). I use cheap slip-joint pliers for this. The curve of the jaws will act like a collet when they enter the die hole.
That method actually causes very little damage to the bullet. Accuracy hardly suffers at all. I suspect that the forces of firing instantly reshape any minor dents in the bullet, anyway.
The major problem with the pliers method is that you can accidentally deform the top thread or two in the press. If you do, you can fix it by threading a die in FROM BELOW. Put a dab of grease or oil on the damaged thread and the die will re-shape that last thread perfectly.
Rocky,
I did damage my threads. Felt kind of dumb for doing it too. If you damage them and don't have a thread chaser, just use an old die body threaded up from the bottom.
Joshmb1982,
My most recommended method without getting a collet puller (which isn't 100% foolproof either) is the dykes horizontal across the top of the die. You do get a pretty good dent across the body of the bullet. But the rear of the body is still good enough to seat back in a case and use as a velocity/pressure tester. They foul a little more so you'll want to take cleaning stuff to the range.
Good pliers grab but most only have 'teeth' that will lay parallel to the bullet. So, if you aren't grabbing hard enough they'll just slide up and off. Doing as Rocky recommend works great. You just take a chance on dinging threads. You might try using a big washer or nut that spans the die hole. That'll keep your press threads from getting smashed.
I marvel every day when I read these forums how much someone knows about something. And what new ideas are available.
Best of luck with the .223
i have tried the puller that looks like a hammer. pulled some 30-06 apart and i loaded a few 223 cases with no powder or primer just to make sure they fit in my rifle. when i went to try to pull them back apart to load them, i could not for the life of me get that friggen bullet to come out. i think the little 62gr bullet just didnt have enough mass to slide out. ended up throwing the case and bullet away. at least this way im only ruining the bullet. im not to worried about throwing them out. all told they cost around 4 bucks so its no great loss.
ill have to check the threads on the press now. it pulled really easy so im not to worried though.
thanks for all the advise guys. its much appreciated.
Fact: Steel is harder than brass, copper, or lead. Fact: You are applying the mechanical force of hundreds if not thousands of pounds to that bullet. Fact: You can resize jacketed projectiles using a push through die in your press with little effort.
So why do any of you think this wouldn't work?
Safety issues: the primer fall out hole bored through the shellholder ensures that no pressure is ever transferred to the primer.
Personally I'd feel SAFER doing this than using an impact puller, with all the concussions going with it... I've only done this 2-3 times but never had an issue.
#2 9X17 brass is 380. 9X19 is 9mm brass.
#1, check with Lee and see if they still have a "factory reizeing die"
#2 9X17 brass is 380. 9X19 is 9mm brass.
Good answer DCS! I forgot about the factory crimp dies by Lee. I always, always use them on my pistol loads. They make them for all rifle calibers too.
Edit: For Jonk,
quote:Originally posted by jonk
Well I've re-sized them with the bullet in place. Never stuck one yet. Not that the resulting mangled bullet has any sort of accuracy, mainly just to do what was quick and worked.
Fact: Steel is harder than brass, copper, or lead. Fact: You are applying the mechanical force of hundreds if not thousands of pounds to that bullet. Fact: You can resize jacketed projectiles using a push through die in your press with little effort.
So why do any of you think this wouldn't work?
Safety issues: the primer fall out hole bored through the shellholder ensures that no pressure is ever transferred to the primer.
Personally I'd feel SAFER doing this than using an impact puller, with all the concussions going with it... I've only done this 2-3 times but never had an issue.
Because I have stuck them in a standard die. The factory crimp die is cut out to handle the loaded neck. Not size the neck down.
1.) IF it gets stuck it's easier to remove the case from it than normal dies
2.) the face is flat, not beveled like regular loading dies so it sizes a tad farther down, and makes cycling more reliable
Good luck with the problem in the future.
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