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Vaccination NEWSFLASH
I would like to make you aware that all 27 veterinary schools in North
America are in the process of changing their protocols for vaccinating dogs and
cats. Some of this information will present an ethical & economic challenge to
vets, and there will be skeptics.
Some organizations have come up with a political compromise suggesting
vaccinations every 3 years to appease those who fear loss of income vs. those
concerned about potential side effects.
Politics, traditions, or the doctor's economic well being should not be a
factor in medical decision.
NEW PRINCIPLES OF IMMUNOLOGY
"Dogs and cats immune systems mature fully at 6 months. If a modified live
virus vaccine is given after 6 months of age, it
produces an immunity which is good for the life of the pet (ie:
canine distemper, parvo, feline distemper). If another MLV vaccine is given
a year later, the antibodies from the first vaccine neutralize the antigens
of the second vaccine and there is little or no effect. The titer is not
"boosted" nor are more memory cells induced." Not only are annual boosters for
parvo and distemper unnecessary, they subject the pet to potential risks of
allergic reactions and immune-mediated hemolytic anemia. "There is no scientific
documentation to back up label claims for annual
administration of MLV vaccines." Puppies receive antibodies through their
mothers milk. This natural protection can last 8-14 weeks.
Puppies & kittens should NOT be vaccinated at LESS than 8 weeks. Maternal
immunity will neutralize the vaccine and little protection (0-38%) will be
produced. Vaccination at 6 weeks will, however, delay the timing of the first
highly effective vaccine. Vaccinations given 2 weeks apart suppress rather than
stimulate the immune system. A series of vaccinations is given starting at 8
weeks and given 3-4 weeks apart up to 16 weeks of age. Another vaccination
given sometime after 6 months of age (usually at 1 year 4 mo) will provide
lifetime immunity.
CURRENT RECOMMENDATIONS FOR DOGS
Distemper & Parvo
"According to Dr. Schultz, AVMA, 8-15-95, when a vaccinations series given at
2, 3 & 4 months and again at 1 year with a MLV, puppies and kitten program
memory cells that survive for life, providing lifelong immunity." Dr.
Carmichael at Cornell and Dr. Schultz have studies showing immunity against
challenge at 2-10 years for canine distemper & 4 years for parvovirus. Studies for
longer duration are pending. "There are no new strains of parvovirus as one
mfg. would like to suggest. Parvovirus vaccination provides cross immunity for
all types." Hepatitis (Adenovirus) is one of the agents known to be a cause
of kennel cough. Only vaccines with CAV-2 should be used as
CAV-1 vaccines carry the risk of "hepatitis blue-eye" reactions & kidney
damage.
Bordetella Parainfluenza: Commonly called "Kennel cough"
Recommended only for those dogs boarded, groomed, taken to dog shows, or for
any reason housed where exposed to a lot of dogs. The intranasal vaccine
provides more complete and more rapid onset of immunity with less chance of
reaction. Immunity requires 72 hours and does not protect from every cause of
kennel cough. Immunity is of short duration (4 to 6 months).
RABIES
There have been no reported cases of rabid dogs or cats in Harris,
Montogomery or Ft. Bend Counties [Texas], there have been rabid skunks and bats so the
potential exists. It is a killed vaccine and must be given every year.
Lyme disease is a tick born disease which can cause lameness, kidney failure
and heart disease in dogs. Ticks can also transmit the disease to humans.
The original Ft. Dodge killed bacteria has proven to be the most effective
vaccine. Lyme disease prevention should emphasize early removal of ticks. Amitraz
collars are more effective than Top Spot, as amitraz paralyzes the tick's
mouth parts preventing transmission of disease .
VACCINATIONS NOT RECOMMENDED
Multiple components in vaccines compete with each other for the immune system
and result in lesser immunity for each individual disease as well as
increasing the risk of a reaction.
Canine Corona Virus is only a disease of puppies. It is rare, self limiting
(dogs get well in 3 days without treatment). Cornell &Texas A&M have only
diagnosed one case each in the last 7 years. Corona virus does not cause disease
in adult dogs.
Leptospirosis vaccine is a common cause of adverse reactions in dogs . Most
of the clinical cases of lepto reported in dogs in the US are caused by
serovaars (or types) grippotyphosa and bratsilvia.
The vaccines contain different serovaars eanicola and
ictohemorrhagica. Cross protection is not provided and protection is short
lived. Lepto vaccine is immuno-supressive to puppies less than 16 weeks.
NEW DEVELOPMENTS
Giardia is the most common intestinal parasite of humans in North America,
30% or more of all dogs & cats are infected with giardia. It has now been
demonstrated that humans can transmit giardia to dogs & cats & vice versa.
Heartworm preventative must be given year round in Houston .
VACCINES BADLY NEEDED
New vaccines in development include: Feline Immunodeficiency Virus and cat
scratch fever vaccine for cats and Ehrlichia [one of the other tick diseases,
much worse than Lymes] for dogs.
THE VIEW FROM THE TRENCHES; BUSINESS ASPECTS
Most vets recommend annual boosters and most kennel operators require them.
For years the pricing structure of vets has misled clients into thinking that
the inherent value of an annual office visit was in the "shots" they failed
to emphasize the importance of a physical exam for early detection of
treatable diseases. It is my hope that you will continue to require rabies & Kennel
cough and emphasize the importance of a recent vet exam. I also hope you will
accept the new protocols and honor these pets as currently vaccinated.
Those in the boarding business who will honor the newvaccine protocols can gain
new customers who were turned away from vet owned boarding facilities
reluctant to change.
CONCLUSION
Dogs & cats no longer need to be vaccinated against distemper, parvo, &
feline leukemia every year . Once the initial series of puppy or kitten
vaccinations and first annual vaccinations are completed, immunity from MLV vaccines
persists for life. It has been shown that cats over 1 year of age are immune
to Feline Leukemia whether they have been vaccinated or not. Imagine the
money you will save, not to mention fewer risks from side effects. PCR rabies
vaccine, because it is not adjuvanted, will mean less risk of mediated hemolytic
anemia and allergic reactions are reduced by less frequent use of vaccines
as well as by avoiding unnecessary vaccines such as K-9 Corona virus and
chlamydia for cats, as well as ineffective vaccines such as Leptospirosis and FIP.
Intranasal vaccine for Rhiotracheitis and Calici virus, two upper
respiratory viruses of cats provide more complete protection than injectable vaccines
with less risk of serious reactions.
The AAHA and all 27 veterinary schools of North America are our biggest
endorsement for these new protocols.
Dr. Bob Rogers
Please consider as current on all vaccinations for boarding purposes .
DOGS Initial series of puppy vaccines
1. distemper, hepatitis, parvo, parinfluenze - 3 sets one month apart
concluding at 16 weeks of age.
2. Rabies at 16 weeks of age (later is better)
3. Bordetella within last 4-6 months
First annual (usually at 1 year and 4 months of age)
1. DHP, Parvo, Rabies
2. Bordetella within last 4-6 months
2 years or older
1. Rabies with in last year
2. Bordetella within last 4-6 months
3. DHP & Parvo given anytime over 6 months of age , but not necessarily
within the last year.
Recommended: Physical exam for transmissible diseases and health risks.
CATS Initial kitten series
1. Distemper [PLP], Rhino Calicivirus, Feline Leukemia Vaccine - 3 sets
given one month apart concluding at 16 weeks.
2. Rabies at 16 weeks
First Annual [usually at 1 year and 4 months of age]
1. Distemper (PLP), Rhino Calicivirus, Rabies
2 years or older
1. Rabies within the last year
2. Rhino Calicivirus within last year
3. Distemper and FelV given anytime after 6 months of age, but not
necessarily with the last year.
Recommended: Physical exam, FeLV/FIV testing, fecal exam for giardia.
I would like to make you aware that all 27 veterinary schools in North
America are in the process of changing their protocols for vaccinating dogs and
cats. Some of this information will present an ethical & economic challenge to
vets, and there will be skeptics.
Some organizations have come up with a political compromise suggesting
vaccinations every 3 years to appease those who fear loss of income vs. those
concerned about potential side effects.
Politics, traditions, or the doctor's economic well being should not be a
factor in medical decision.
NEW PRINCIPLES OF IMMUNOLOGY
"Dogs and cats immune systems mature fully at 6 months. If a modified live
virus vaccine is given after 6 months of age, it
produces an immunity which is good for the life of the pet (ie:
canine distemper, parvo, feline distemper). If another MLV vaccine is given
a year later, the antibodies from the first vaccine neutralize the antigens
of the second vaccine and there is little or no effect. The titer is not
"boosted" nor are more memory cells induced." Not only are annual boosters for
parvo and distemper unnecessary, they subject the pet to potential risks of
allergic reactions and immune-mediated hemolytic anemia. "There is no scientific
documentation to back up label claims for annual
administration of MLV vaccines." Puppies receive antibodies through their
mothers milk. This natural protection can last 8-14 weeks.
Puppies & kittens should NOT be vaccinated at LESS than 8 weeks. Maternal
immunity will neutralize the vaccine and little protection (0-38%) will be
produced. Vaccination at 6 weeks will, however, delay the timing of the first
highly effective vaccine. Vaccinations given 2 weeks apart suppress rather than
stimulate the immune system. A series of vaccinations is given starting at 8
weeks and given 3-4 weeks apart up to 16 weeks of age. Another vaccination
given sometime after 6 months of age (usually at 1 year 4 mo) will provide
lifetime immunity.
CURRENT RECOMMENDATIONS FOR DOGS
Distemper & Parvo
"According to Dr. Schultz, AVMA, 8-15-95, when a vaccinations series given at
2, 3 & 4 months and again at 1 year with a MLV, puppies and kitten program
memory cells that survive for life, providing lifelong immunity." Dr.
Carmichael at Cornell and Dr. Schultz have studies showing immunity against
challenge at 2-10 years for canine distemper & 4 years for parvovirus. Studies for
longer duration are pending. "There are no new strains of parvovirus as one
mfg. would like to suggest. Parvovirus vaccination provides cross immunity for
all types." Hepatitis (Adenovirus) is one of the agents known to be a cause
of kennel cough. Only vaccines with CAV-2 should be used as
CAV-1 vaccines carry the risk of "hepatitis blue-eye" reactions & kidney
damage.
Bordetella Parainfluenza: Commonly called "Kennel cough"
Recommended only for those dogs boarded, groomed, taken to dog shows, or for
any reason housed where exposed to a lot of dogs. The intranasal vaccine
provides more complete and more rapid onset of immunity with less chance of
reaction. Immunity requires 72 hours and does not protect from every cause of
kennel cough. Immunity is of short duration (4 to 6 months).
RABIES
There have been no reported cases of rabid dogs or cats in Harris,
Montogomery or Ft. Bend Counties [Texas], there have been rabid skunks and bats so the
potential exists. It is a killed vaccine and must be given every year.
Lyme disease is a tick born disease which can cause lameness, kidney failure
and heart disease in dogs. Ticks can also transmit the disease to humans.
The original Ft. Dodge killed bacteria has proven to be the most effective
vaccine. Lyme disease prevention should emphasize early removal of ticks. Amitraz
collars are more effective than Top Spot, as amitraz paralyzes the tick's
mouth parts preventing transmission of disease .
VACCINATIONS NOT RECOMMENDED
Multiple components in vaccines compete with each other for the immune system
and result in lesser immunity for each individual disease as well as
increasing the risk of a reaction.
Canine Corona Virus is only a disease of puppies. It is rare, self limiting
(dogs get well in 3 days without treatment). Cornell &Texas A&M have only
diagnosed one case each in the last 7 years. Corona virus does not cause disease
in adult dogs.
Leptospirosis vaccine is a common cause of adverse reactions in dogs . Most
of the clinical cases of lepto reported in dogs in the US are caused by
serovaars (or types) grippotyphosa and bratsilvia.
The vaccines contain different serovaars eanicola and
ictohemorrhagica. Cross protection is not provided and protection is short
lived. Lepto vaccine is immuno-supressive to puppies less than 16 weeks.
NEW DEVELOPMENTS
Giardia is the most common intestinal parasite of humans in North America,
30% or more of all dogs & cats are infected with giardia. It has now been
demonstrated that humans can transmit giardia to dogs & cats & vice versa.
Heartworm preventative must be given year round in Houston .
VACCINES BADLY NEEDED
New vaccines in development include: Feline Immunodeficiency Virus and cat
scratch fever vaccine for cats and Ehrlichia [one of the other tick diseases,
much worse than Lymes] for dogs.
THE VIEW FROM THE TRENCHES; BUSINESS ASPECTS
Most vets recommend annual boosters and most kennel operators require them.
For years the pricing structure of vets has misled clients into thinking that
the inherent value of an annual office visit was in the "shots" they failed
to emphasize the importance of a physical exam for early detection of
treatable diseases. It is my hope that you will continue to require rabies & Kennel
cough and emphasize the importance of a recent vet exam. I also hope you will
accept the new protocols and honor these pets as currently vaccinated.
Those in the boarding business who will honor the newvaccine protocols can gain
new customers who were turned away from vet owned boarding facilities
reluctant to change.
CONCLUSION
Dogs & cats no longer need to be vaccinated against distemper, parvo, &
feline leukemia every year . Once the initial series of puppy or kitten
vaccinations and first annual vaccinations are completed, immunity from MLV vaccines
persists for life. It has been shown that cats over 1 year of age are immune
to Feline Leukemia whether they have been vaccinated or not. Imagine the
money you will save, not to mention fewer risks from side effects. PCR rabies
vaccine, because it is not adjuvanted, will mean less risk of mediated hemolytic
anemia and allergic reactions are reduced by less frequent use of vaccines
as well as by avoiding unnecessary vaccines such as K-9 Corona virus and
chlamydia for cats, as well as ineffective vaccines such as Leptospirosis and FIP.
Intranasal vaccine for Rhiotracheitis and Calici virus, two upper
respiratory viruses of cats provide more complete protection than injectable vaccines
with less risk of serious reactions.
The AAHA and all 27 veterinary schools of North America are our biggest
endorsement for these new protocols.
Dr. Bob Rogers
Please consider as current on all vaccinations for boarding purposes .
DOGS Initial series of puppy vaccines
1. distemper, hepatitis, parvo, parinfluenze - 3 sets one month apart
concluding at 16 weeks of age.
2. Rabies at 16 weeks of age (later is better)
3. Bordetella within last 4-6 months
First annual (usually at 1 year and 4 months of age)
1. DHP, Parvo, Rabies
2. Bordetella within last 4-6 months
2 years or older
1. Rabies with in last year
2. Bordetella within last 4-6 months
3. DHP & Parvo given anytime over 6 months of age , but not necessarily
within the last year.
Recommended: Physical exam for transmissible diseases and health risks.
CATS Initial kitten series
1. Distemper [PLP], Rhino Calicivirus, Feline Leukemia Vaccine - 3 sets
given one month apart concluding at 16 weeks.
2. Rabies at 16 weeks
First Annual [usually at 1 year and 4 months of age]
1. Distemper (PLP), Rhino Calicivirus, Rabies
2 years or older
1. Rabies within the last year
2. Rhino Calicivirus within last year
3. Distemper and FelV given anytime after 6 months of age, but not
necessarily with the last year.
Recommended: Physical exam, FeLV/FIV testing, fecal exam for giardia.
Comments
I can ask for some opinions on this if you like tho.
My opinion, have Slash vaccinated, ya never know what,where or who he's been doin[:D][:D] Sorry guys, I had to[8D]
Thats right never no bout them hoyt shooters ...[:D]
My opinion, have Slash vaccinated, ya never know what,where or who he's been doin[:D][:D] Sorry guys, I had to[8D]
[:D][:D][:D][:D][:D]
I work in Parasitology. My thoughts, looks like some of the info is 11 yrs old I would try to find something more recent. Maybe they have some even better recommendations now or better vaccines.
I can ask for some opinions on this if you like tho.
Well looks like you think the same thing as I did... seems like old info to be going on... I know mine will continue to get their shots....
I think I'm current on all of my shots. Not sure about my flea dip though![:D]
Flea dip?? Dude step up to the year 2006. Holycow, lets see if I can remember them correctly. I use frontline so of course I remember that one then I think there is one called top spot and I think intercepter. Could be more like I said I use frontline. Its "stuff" you put between the "shoulders" of the "animal", then you will be bug free... or.... I mean the "animal" will be bug free.
That they all shot mathews![:D]