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Shooting from a tree stand?
phideaux4886
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Just wondering what I might expect to find if I am shooting from a tree stand.
I am aware of Pythagoras's theorem in that the distance at ground level will be different from 12' off the ground, but what kind of other effects might I find?
Thanks,
DSM
I am aware of Pythagoras's theorem in that the distance at ground level will be different from 12' off the ground, but what kind of other effects might I find?
Thanks,
DSM
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Ben
Bode
You would need to aim lower from an elevated postition shooting down hill or shooting up hill from below. The new range finders will calculate this for you now and it will show that the yardage is enough that you will shoot over your target if you aim like you were shooting from level ground.
Bode
What is the cause of this? Gravity?
Thanks,
DSM
quote:Originally posted by Winston Bode
You would need to aim lower from an elevated postition shooting down hill or shooting up hill from below. The new range finders will calculate this for you now and it will show that the yardage is enough that you will shoot over your target if you aim like you were shooting from level ground.
Bode
What is the cause of this? Gravity?
Thanks,
DSM
No, its called geometry. Just draw out some triangles like you would be sitting in a tree stand, give them some numbers, find the hypotenuse, and you should see the reason why.
quote:Originally posted by phideaux4886
quote:Originally posted by Winston Bode
You would need to aim lower from an elevated postition shooting down hill or shooting up hill from below. The new range finders will calculate this for you now and it will show that the yardage is enough that you will shoot over your target if you aim like you were shooting from level ground.
Bode
What is the cause of this? Gravity?
Thanks,
DSM
No, its called geometry. Just draw out some triangles like you would be sitting in a tree stand, give them some numbers, find the hypotenuse, and you should see the reason why.
I think you meant to say Trigonometry. [;)]
This was just a fowl attempt to cover myself.
Its about 5-7 yards less when shooting from a tree stand.
Not really. If you're 20 feet up in a tree, taking a 40 yard shot, your shot is only 1.6 yards farther.
Ben
DSM
So basically it is all about the trig, in that the distance is longer along the hypotenuse of the triangle you have formed?
DSM
what are you a math teacher shoot the damb thing[:D][:D]
quote:Originally posted by phideaux4886
So basically it is all about the trig, in that the distance is longer along the hypotenuse of the triangle you have formed?
DSM
what are you a math teacher shoot the damb thing[:D][:D]
I think what buckey is trying to say is that the difference is so small at bow yardage that it doesn't matter too much...in other words, let her fly, and watch him die.
Ben
quote:Originally posted by buckeyboy
quote:Originally posted by phideaux4886
So basically it is all about the trig, in that the distance is longer along the hypotenuse of the triangle you have formed?
DSM
what are you a math teacher shoot the damb thing[:D][:D]
I think what buckey is trying to say is that the difference is so small at bow yardage that it doesn't matter too much...in other words, let her fly, and watch him die.
Ben
see Ben you can read my mind.. thanks bud...[;)]
DSM
PS, that was funny, I don't care who you are!
quote:Originally posted by jared2678
Its about 5-7 yards less when shooting from a tree stand.
Not really. If you're 20 feet up in a tree, taking a 40 yard shot, your shot is only 1.6 yards farther.
Ben
I might be incorrect here. I was watching a hunting show last night, and the man said that when in a tree, he uses his 20yard pin for ground, up to 30 yards in the tree. He said if you don't you'll shoot high every time?
Ben
2" low seems to do the trick.
My theory on why bow shots tend to be high when shooting from a treestand has to do with the angle the bow is being held at. When shooting from the ground, everything is lined up perfectly. When shooting from a tree, you are holding the bow at a downward angle and everything is not always lined up perfectly. In theory, it is similar to moving your sights. If you want to hit higher, you lower the site pin a little (the rear sight stays in the same place) or raise the rear sight and leave the front sight alone. When you angle the bow downward it has the same effect as raising the rear sight (due to the angle) even if you have the same anchor point.
Does that make sense? If not, disregard and assume I am talking out of my butt.
As has been stated, the actual distance to the ground versus measured distace from bow to target (which is the hypotenuse of the triange) isn't really that great so point of impact should be roughly the same. Note: This is for bow shots only. Gun shots are usually much longer, therefore the difference in distances can be much greater.
My theory on why bow shots tend to be high when shooting from a treestand has to do with the angle the bow is being held at. When shooting from the ground, everything is lined up perfectly. When shooting from a tree, you are holding the bow at a downward angle and everything is not always lined up perfectly. In theory, it is similar to moving your sights. If you want to hit higher, you lower the site pin a little (the rear sight stays in the same place) or raise the rear sight and leave the front sight alone. When you angle the bow downward it has the same effect as raising the rear sight (due to the angle) even if you have the same anchor point.
Does that make sense? If not, disregard and assume I am talking out of my butt.
You are not wrong, but may have a flawed shooting form. If it works for you good, but if you bend at the waist and keep your upper body the same as a level shotyou would eliminate the reat sight effect. The best way to measure correct aiming distance is to measure from the base of your tree to your target. You could also range a tree strait out from you in the tree. This would give you the same correct distance.
I hope this helps and does not confuse things further.
quote:Originally posted by HandgunHTR52
As has been stated, the actual distance to the ground versus measured distace from bow to target (which is the hypotenuse of the triange) isn't really that great so point of impact should be roughly the same. Note: This is for bow shots only. Gun shots are usually much longer, therefore the difference in distances can be much greater.
My theory on why bow shots tend to be high when shooting from a treestand has to do with the angle the bow is being held at. When shooting from the ground, everything is lined up perfectly. When shooting from a tree, you are holding the bow at a downward angle and everything is not always lined up perfectly. In theory, it is similar to moving your sights. If you want to hit higher, you lower the site pin a little (the rear sight stays in the same place) or raise the rear sight and leave the front sight alone. When you angle the bow downward it has the same effect as raising the rear sight (due to the angle) even if you have the same anchor point.
Does that make sense? If not, disregard and assume I am talking out of my butt.
You are not wrong, but may have a flawed shooting form. If it works for you good, but if you bend at the waist and keep your upper body the same as a level shotyou would eliminate the reat sight effect. The best way to measure correct aiming distance is to measure from the base of your tree to your target. You could also range a tree strait out from you in the tree. This would give you the same correct distance.
I hope this helps and does not confuse things further.
confused the heck out of me.. I need beer[:p]
MEEEEEEE too! [:D]
I was just trying to come up with a theory as to why arrows tend to hit higher when shooting from an elevated position. A difference in a couple of feet shouldn't change point of impact by more than an inch, but as has been pointed out, POI changes when shooting from an elevated position.
I did that to add fuel to the fire.
What has been said about aiming lower is true. I think it is also important though too to note that you must think of the vitals of whatever you are shooting at and how they shift as you elevate in a stand. You are no longer shooting flat through the deer and that angle you get through the chest cavity changes more drastically as the deer is closer. It is for that reason that I never take less than a 10 yard shot from a stand. It is far too much of an angle for me and makes the shot, in my opinion, extremely difficult. I shoot a mathews switchback XT and nearly every deer I have shot jumps the string. They all seem to drop at that noise and that is all the more reason to shoot lower when in a stand.
Mathews don't make noise. [:D][;)]
Mathews don't make noise. [:D][;)]
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Yea it is just the darn owners that we can't stand to listen to...